Official first training camp notes thread..
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Dwayne Bowe made some bold statements today.....
On Josh McCown......
"He's showing all the potential of being a top-five quarterback in the NFL," Bowe said of McCown. "I see him as one of the best I have [played with]. He's making great throws, smart throws and he's mobile in the pocket, more than people think. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people."
"Oh, my God. We're going to be the sleepers," Bowe said. "Look at my numbers last year and then look at my years four years prior to that. I led the league. It's not about what you did last year. It's about what you're doing now. The way he's performing out here, it's unbelievable, making tight throws, trusting his receivers."
And on Terrell Pryor.....
"I have never seen a quarterback transition from quarterback to receiver in two practices and do as good as he did -- ever," Bowe said. "But he's making it look so easy that he's starting to scare me. He's going to be really, really good. People think he's just going to come in and be a body. But he's actually going to play here and make plays for this team."
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Obviously a stand-in. LOL!
....I knew this would put a smile on your face.....
Hoping to see more of the same going forward........build back a little confidence and things could get interesting...
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Let's get some pads on and play something close to live action football, than things could get interesting in some camp battles. Players talking up other teammates talent, is a good thing. But even better is a positive team media and national media reporting good things also. It sounds like a good start.
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i guess i'll be eating crow with my pryor statements.
as much as i've had of that nasty bird in the last 5 years i should be used to it now.
i guess that cold beer helps it go down a little easier.
MMMMmmmmmm.
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Going to Browns practice tomorrow morning !
I'll have the binocs out and watching closely.
Any requests?
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Love what I'm hearing about Pryor. His growth and personal time spent with Moss, Brown and coaches will pay dividends.
edit: I don't suppose anyone has tickets to a weekend training camp? I looked a little late and they're all gone. If anyone has an extra or two, I'd gladly shell you a few
duckets for them.
Love what I'm hearing about Pryor. His growth and personal time spent with Moss, Brown and coaches will pay dividends.
edit: I don't suppose anyone has tickets to a weekend training camp? I looked a little late and they're all gone. If anyone has an extra or two, I'd gladly shell you a few
duckets for them.
Check your messages!
Mike
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Going to Browns practice tomorrow morning !
I'll have the binocs out and watching closely.
Any requests?
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i guess i'll be eating crow with my pryor statements.
as much as i've had of that nasty bird in the last 5 years i should be used to it now.
i guess that cold beer helps it go down a little easier.
MMMMmmmmmm.
i guess i'll be eating crow with my pryor statements.
as much as i've had of that nasty bird in the last 5 years i should be used to it now.
i guess that cold beer helps it go down a little easier.
MMMMmmmmmm.
We know Pryor is big & fast. Can he catch the damn ball and run routes is what I want to know.
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i guess i'll be eating crow with my pryor statements.
as much as i've had of that nasty bird in the last 5 years i should be used to it now.
i guess that cold beer helps it go down a little easier.
MMMMmmmmmm.
We know Pryor is big & fast. Can he catch the damn ball and run routes is what I want to know.
We know Pryor is big & fast. Can he catch the damn ball and run routes is what I want to know.
https://twitter.com/fearrhegoat/status/627119189254373376
It seems like he can do at least one of those things. The good news is the other one can be taught if he can't.
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Going to Browns practice tomorrow morning !
I'll have the binocs out and watching closely.
Any requests?
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Here are Terry Plutos notes.....always a good assessment.....
BEREA, Ohio -- Scribbles in my Cleveland Browns notebook as training camp opens:
1. The Browns have two very, very big receivers. The first is Terrelle Pryor, the former Ohio State and Oakland Raiders quarterback being converted to receiver. He's listed at 6-foot-4 and 223 pounds and looks bigger. He made a couple of nice catches. There will be plenty of reports about Pryor all during camp. But it was a very good first day for him.
2. The other big receiver is . The other, Dwayne Bowe, is listed at 6-foot-2 and 222 pounds. Like Pryor, he is a very large target. He also has caught 532 NFL passes. I asked Mike Pettine about Bowe, who said: "You look at having some of the other smaller, explosive guys – Hawk (WR Andrew Hawkins) and Gabe (WR Taylor Gabriel) ... (WR Travis) Benjamin is a little bit bigger but not much. You need that big receiver (who) can make a contested catch. Bowe does an excellent job on the back-shoulder throws. He made one today. He does a real nice job getting his feet down. Obviously, he's shown why we brought him here."
3. Benjamin had a very good day catching passes mostly from Josh McCown. The Browns will not be in full pads until Saturday. So this was more like an extension of spring time OTAs. But having Bowe will make a difference because of his size and strength. Their biggest receiver of consequence last season was Miles Austin, listed at 6-foot-2 and 215 pounds. Bowe looks much larger.
4. When he comes on the field with the second team defense, it's Justin Gilbert who attracts a lot of attention. Can the first-rounder from 2014 leave his disastrous rookie season behind? But the young defensive back who impressed me in the OTAs and again Thursday was Pierre Desir, the fourth-rounder from 2014. At 6-2 and 206 pounds, he has the size to cover taller receivers. Veteran Tramon Williams (signed from Green Bay) is starting at cornerback along with Joe Haden. Gilbert and Desir are batting for backup spots.
You need that big receiver that can make a contested catch.5. The Johnny Manziel report: It was the first day of camp and Manziel had at least two passes batted down. He was "sacked" a few times. He missed a few throws to open receivers. His best delivery was a 30-yarder to rookie Vince Mayle, who dropped it. He made good throw to Kevin Cone, who caught it for about 25 yards. Cone has been with Atlanta and is a longshot to make the team. Overall, it was a rough day for Manziel -- and it also was the first of camp.
6. Pettine praised Manziel for knowing the offense, getting the guys lined up right -- things before the ball is snapped. He didn't want to dissect much about how Manziel actually played. But that makes sense. McCown is the starter. Manziel is the backup. And it's refreshing compared to a year ago where everything about Manziel was so over-exposed and over-analyzed.
7. McCown was poised in the pocket and in control of the offense. He threw a nice sideline pass to Bowe -- the play that was later praised by Pettine. McCown looked like a guy who is in his 13th NFL season. At 6-4 and 218 pounds, he also has the size of the typical AFC North quarterback. I wrote about the Browns in the AFC North in an earlier story.
8. Tight end Rob Housler is 6-5, 220 pounds. He had some good catches. Housler had 45 receptions for Arizona in 2012, then 39 in 2013. But he caught only nine last year. The Browns wanted a tight end who can be a viable receiver. Housler has the size and speed to at least look the part. Now we'll see if the 27-year-old can deliver.
9. Rookie Duke Johnson lined up all over the field. The running back not only was in the backfield, but in the slot and even as an extra wide receiver. The ability to catch passes and do it from different formations is something that separates Johnson from backfield mates Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West. I'm excited to see what Johnson can do in this offense.
10. Rookies Danny Shelton and Cameron Erving both started with the second string. Shelton was in the middle of the defensive line. Erving played mostly right guard. The coaches don't want to hand any rookie a starting spot so early in camp.
Here are Terry Plutos notes.....always a good assessment.....
BEREA, Ohio -- Scribbles in my Cleveland Browns notebook as training camp opens:
1. The Browns have two very, very big receivers. The first is Terrelle Pryor, the former Ohio State and Oakland Raiders quarterback being converted to receiver. He's listed at 6-foot-4 and 223 pounds and looks bigger. He made a couple of nice catches. There will be plenty of reports about Pryor all during camp. But it was a very good first day for him.
2. The other big receiver is . The other, Dwayne Bowe, is listed at 6-foot-2 and 222 pounds. Like Pryor, he is a very large target. He also has caught 532 NFL passes. I asked Mike Pettine about Bowe, who said: "You look at having some of the other smaller, explosive guys – Hawk (WR Andrew Hawkins) and Gabe (WR Taylor Gabriel) ... (WR Travis) Benjamin is a little bit bigger but not much. You need that big receiver (who) can make a contested catch. Bowe does an excellent job on the back-shoulder throws. He made one today. He does a real nice job getting his feet down. Obviously, he's shown why we brought him here."
3. Benjamin had a very good day catching passes mostly from Josh McCown. The Browns will not be in full pads until Saturday. So this was more like an extension of spring time OTAs. But having Bowe will make a difference because of his size and strength. Their biggest receiver of consequence last season was Miles Austin, listed at 6-foot-2 and 215 pounds. Bowe looks much larger.
4. When he comes on the field with the second team defense, it's Justin Gilbert who attracts a lot of attention. Can the first-rounder from 2014 leave his disastrous rookie season behind? But the young defensive back who impressed me in the OTAs and again Thursday was Pierre Desir, the fourth-rounder from 2014. At 6-2 and 206 pounds, he has the size to cover taller receivers. Veteran Tramon Williams (signed from Green Bay) is starting at cornerback along with Joe Haden. Gilbert and Desir are batting for backup spots.
You need that big receiver that can make a contested catch.5. The Johnny Manziel report: It was the first day of camp and Manziel had at least two passes batted down. He was "sacked" a few times. He missed a few throws to open receivers. His best delivery was a 30-yarder to rookie Vince Mayle, who dropped it. He made good throw to Kevin Cone, who caught it for about 25 yards. Cone has been with Atlanta and is a longshot to make the team. Overall, it was a rough day for Manziel -- and it also was the first of camp.
6. Pettine praised Manziel for knowing the offense, getting the guys lined up right -- things before the ball is snapped. He didn't want to dissect much about how Manziel actually played. But that makes sense. McCown is the starter. Manziel is the backup. And it's refreshing compared to a year ago where everything about Manziel was so over-exposed and over-analyzed.
7. McCown was poised in the pocket and in control of the offense. He threw a nice sideline pass to Bowe -- the play that was later praised by Pettine. McCown looked like a guy who is in his 13th NFL season. At 6-4 and 218 pounds, he also has the size of the typical AFC North quarterback. I wrote about the Browns in the AFC North in an earlier story.
8. Tight end Rob Housler is 6-5, 220 pounds. He had some good catches. Housler had 45 receptions for Arizona in 2012, then 39 in 2013. But he caught only nine last year. The Browns wanted a tight end who can be a viable receiver. Housler has the size and speed to at least look the part. Now we'll see if the 27-year-old can deliver.
9. Rookie Duke Johnson lined up all over the field. The running back not only was in the backfield, but in the slot and even as an extra wide receiver. The ability to catch passes and do it from different formations is something that separates Johnson from backfield mates Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West. I'm excited to see what Johnson can do in this offense.
10. Rookies Danny Shelton and Cameron Erving both started with the second string. Shelton was in the middle of the defensive line. Erving played mostly right guard. The coaches don't want to hand any rookie a starting spot so early in camp.
Thanks for the updates Mud!
Doogie Housler only weighs 220 pounds? That's about what Greg Little weighed as a WR when he gave us - built like Tarzan plays like Danny Ferry in traffic. I learned to understand the lyrics of "Don't Pay the Ferryman!"
TimCouchPullsOut had some good posts about the expects/projects from Doogie Housler. This might kick Housler into competing with Malcolm Johnson for the FB/HB reps - but that's only me speculating/stereotyping him from the body weight thang.
Young linemen usually start off training camp on the 2nd or 3rd string units here. I wouldn't be surprised if either guy isn't starting week 1. Shelton will play as much in the rotation or more than the guy ahead of him so that means even less on the defensive line than it does on the o-line. I've already posted that if Erving doesn't start immediately or they redshirt him to 2nd string all of the rookie year doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing at all. If he's moving to OG where leverage is of the utmost importance - he's going to be facing a lot of stout guys that weigh about 340 pounds. I don't think he'll take as long as Greco took to get where we want him; but in the same token - we liked knowing where Greco currently ranks in the league at RG to the extent there's no hurry. They can pack a lot of power, size and explosion into Erving his first season of NFL strength and conditioning.
Last but not least, you now have the best avatar on the board!
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Billy Wynn was just carted off the practice field with a leg injury.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Sounds like the injuries are coming in early.
DL Winn with a knee, RB Duke Johnson a Hamstring, RB West had a Calf issue.
This is and has always been my concern :
Dan Labbe @dan_labbe 2h2 hours ago McCown having a tough day. Not dealing with pressure well. #Browns
On a positive note, it sounds like Manziel is doing better this year, but of course he is playing with the twos.
Haslam spoke today, had some positives :
Channel 3 Sports @WKYCSports 2h2 hours ago Haslam: over the next two years, we've got to see if Johnny Manziel is a good quarterback #3Browns #browns @wkyc
And this is encouraging :Channel 3 Sports @WKYCSports 2h2 hours ago Haslam: we're not going to blow things up. We're on the right track and putting in a foundation #Browns #3Browns @wkyc
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Billy Wynn was just carted off the practice field with a leg injury.
Billy Wynn was just carted off the practice field with a leg injury.
Fingers crossed for my Billy...
Here's the surprise bit from the reporting article:
"Winn, listed at 300 pounds, said he shed 25 pounds in the offseason to regain his "explosiveness" and try to prevent injuries."
Never realized he had gotten all the way up to 325...
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I can't help but feel serious weight fluctuation would contribute to a knee injury.
Also I thought Billy looked a bit bigger than 305. 20lbs bigger? No. But if he wants his explosive step back then 285-290 is right in his wheel house.
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Zombo said:
I like Dwayne Bowe.
Z
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For those that don't do the Twatter, here are some Sunday practice notes from MKC:
#Browns CB Pierre Desir "earned'' the start over Justin Gilbert today for T.Williams (rest). Not the right direction for Gilbert.
#browns joker Philips on pryor: "he's very very talented and talent wins football games"
#browns wr coach joker Philips on pryor: "he's all in. He knows the system. Just have to teach him our techniques"
#browns Pettine on pryor: "he doesn't look out of place"
#browns Pettine said he'll get with farmer about maybe adding some backs. Rookie Luke Lundy also left injured today. Down to crow, Draughn
#browns Pettine said Duke johnson (hamstring) will be out a little while. Hopes to get T-west (calf) back by Tuesday
#browns Pettine said winn's Xrays negative but will undergo further exams today
Browns RB Duke Johnson and Terrance West remain sidelined with hamstring and calf injuries http://
#Browns Rookie RB Luke Lundy went in with trainers awhile ago and hasn't returned. RBs Johnson, West and Winston already sidelined
#browns wr Terrelle Pryor gets a first-team rep. Good sign for him
#browns RB Duke johnson (hamstring) and Terrance west (calf) not practicing today. Both got hurt saturday on 1st day in pads
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For those that don't do the Twatter, here are some Sunday practice notes from MKC:
#Browns CB Pierre Desir "earned'' the start over Justin Gilbert today for T.Williams (rest). Not the right direction for Gilbert.
#browns joker Philips on pryor: "he's very very talented and talent wins football games"
#browns wr coach joker Philips on pryor: "he's all in. He knows the system. Just have to teach him our techniques"
#browns Pettine on pryor: "he doesn't look out of place"
#browns Pettine said he'll get with farmer about maybe adding some backs. Rookie Luke Lundy also left injured today. Down to crow, Draughn
#browns Pettine said Duke johnson (hamstring) will be out a little while. Hopes to get T-west (calf) back by Tuesday
#browns Pettine said winn's Xrays negative but will undergo further exams today
Browns RB Duke Johnson and Terrance West remain sidelined with hamstring and calf injuries http://
#Browns Rookie RB Luke Lundy went in with trainers awhile ago and hasn't returned. RBs Johnson, West and Winston already sidelined
#browns wr Terrelle Pryor gets a first-team rep. Good sign for him
#browns RB Duke johnson (hamstring) and Terrance west (calf) not practicing today. Both got hurt saturday on 1st day in pads
For those that don't do the Twatter, here are some Sunday practice notes from MKC:
#Browns CB Pierre Desir "earned'' the start over Justin Gilbert today for T.Williams (rest). Not the right direction for Gilbert.
#browns joker Philips on pryor: "he's very very talented and talent wins football games"
#browns wr coach joker Philips on pryor: "he's all in. He knows the system. Just have to teach him our techniques"
#browns Pettine on pryor: "he doesn't look out of place"
#browns Pettine said he'll get with farmer about maybe adding some backs. Rookie Luke Lundy also left injured today. Down to crow, Draughn
#browns Pettine said Duke johnson (hamstring) will be out a little while. Hopes to get T-west (calf) back by Tuesday
#browns Pettine said winn's Xrays negative but will undergo further exams today
Browns RB Duke Johnson and Terrance West remain sidelined with hamstring and calf injuries http://
#Browns Rookie RB Luke Lundy went in with trainers awhile ago and hasn't returned. RBs Johnson, West and Winston already sidelined
#browns wr Terrelle Pryor gets a first-team rep. Good sign for him
#browns RB Duke johnson (hamstring) and Terrance west (calf) not practicing today. Both got hurt saturday on 1st day in pads
Thanks D!
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