Jonathan Paul Manziel
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The good news is that.....so far.....McCown looks good. And Johnny seems to have his head straight and has shown some improvement. And Shaw has also looked good......
Thats all we got...
And this short into TC I think we are right on schedule with all. This is gonna be a good season overall. They are building a team that does not rely on a "star" QB to pull the fat out of the fire every possession. They are building one with a stellar D that just needs an O to at least help keep the other team off the field for half the game with a few first downs as often as possible and some scores when opportunity presents. Staff thinks they will be able to do that.
And this short into TC I think we are right on schedule with all. This is gonna be a good season overall. They are building a team that does not rely on a "star" QB to pull the fat out of the fire every possession. They are building one with a stellar D that just needs an O to at least help keep the other team off the field for half the game with a few first downs as often as possible and some scores when opportunity presents. Staff thinks they will be able to do that.
See, this is something I just disagree on when people mention it. I don't see how in any shape or form you can win more than 7, 8 games without a franchise QB. You can reach that "mediocre" level sure, maybe even sneak into the playoffs. But that strategy will never work long-term, at least IMO.
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Well, the other good news is that Johnny just put in another fine day.....starting a string or them, I hope.....listening to Browns Dally and they're saying he was pretty sharp today and looked good....(and "better than he ever looked last year" )....which is good...
THATS what I like to hear....progress.....
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Jim Donovan said Manziel had a terrific day, completing 70%
of his passes, and really looking good.
Hard work will pay off.
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Jim Donovan said Manziel had a terrific day, completing 70%
of his passes, and really looking good.
Hard work will pay off.
Jim Donovan said Manziel had a terrific day, completing 70%
of his passes, and really looking good.
Hard work will pay off.
Only 70%? That's a major drop-off from Friday's one incompletion.
I have a quote for you from my 7 y.o. grandson to his Mom and grandmother when they went into the hall closet during a tornado warning about 6 weeks ago, "We're doomed!" LOL
But I'd rather defer to Bitonio: Taken from a article today by Pat McManamon, ESPN Staff Writer
"His mentality is night and day from last year," guard Joel Bitonio said. "He's focused in the meetings. He's determined to be better. I think the naked eye can say how he's approaching practice. He's trying to be a good football player. He's frustrated when he does stuff bad. He's excited when he does stuff well.
"He wants to be the best and I think that's the right mentality to have and he really improved that," Bitonio continued. "He's taking notes in meetings; he's on top of things. There's definitely an improvement and I think these preseason games are going to be valuable for him to get back on the field and kind of get his bearings back."
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And this short into TC I think we are right on schedule with all. This is gonna be a good season overall. They are building a team that does not rely on a "star" QB to pull the fat out of the fire every possession. They are building one with a stellar D that just needs an O to at least help keep the other team off the field for half the game with a few first downs as often as possible and some scores when opportunity presents. Staff thinks they will be able to do that.
See, this is something I just disagree on when people mention it. I don't see how in any shape or form you can win more than 7, 8 games without a franchise QB. You can reach that "mediocre" level sure, maybe even sneak into the playoffs. But that strategy will never work long-term, at least IMO.
See, this is something I just disagree on when people mention it. I don't see how in any shape or form you can win more than 7, 8 games without a franchise QB. You can reach that "mediocre" level sure, maybe even sneak into the playoffs. But that strategy will never work long-term, at least IMO.
Didn't the Ravens win a title with Trent Dilfer?
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See, this is something I just disagree on when people mention it. I don't see how in any shape or form you can win more than 7, 8 games without a franchise QB. You can reach that "mediocre" level sure, maybe even sneak into the playoffs. But that strategy will never work long-term, at least IMO.
Didn't the Ravens win a title with Trent Dilfer?
Didn't the Ravens win a title with Trent Dilfer?
Yes, but that was literally 15 years ago when defenses got away with murder (Ray lewis pun absolutely intended). A team built like that Ravens team would NEVER win in the game the way it is now.
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Gang, there is a man down in Baton Rouge that is seriously considering starting a QB who had a 42% completion ratio and single highhandedly cost us a bowl game against Notre Dame.
I really don't understand what coaches see in QB's. Not anything we see that's for sure.
BTW, down here O'Brien got pissed at the Texans fans for knocking his QB's (Hoyer, Savage and Mallet)
" The offense is always evolving" and we think we have problems in Cleveland. Foster is also out for 7-10 weeks.
Please honey, NFL Ticket is on sale right now.
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Didn't the Ravens win a title with Trent Dilfer?
Yes, but that was literally 15 years ago when defenses got away with murder (Ray lewis pun absolutely intended). A team built like that Ravens team would NEVER win in the game the way it is now.
Yes, but that was literally 15 years ago when defenses got away with murder (Ray lewis pun absolutely intended). A team built like that Ravens team would NEVER win in the game the way it is now.
It really was that long ago. Wow
You might be right but defenses that lead the league and a strong running game coupled with a not great QB that doesn't make stupid turnovers, I think it could be done.
Anyway, that was the Brown's super bowl.
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Jim Donovan said Manziel had a terrific day, completing 70%
of his passes, and really looking good.
Hard work will pay off.
Only 70%? That's a major drop-off from Friday's one incompletion.
I have a quote for you from my 7 y.o. grandson to his Mom and grandmother when they went into the hall closet during a tornado warning about 6 weeks ago, "We're doomed!" LOL
But I'd rather defer to Bitonio: Taken from a article today by Pat McManamon, ESPN Staff Writer
"His mentality is night and day from last year," guard Joel Bitonio said. "He's focused in the meetings. He's determined to be better. I think the naked eye can say how he's approaching practice. He's trying to be a good football player. He's frustrated when he does stuff bad. He's excited when he does stuff well.
"He wants to be the best and I think that's the right mentality to have and he really improved that," Bitonio continued. "He's taking notes in meetings; he's on top of things. There's definitely an improvement and I think these preseason games are going to be valuable for him to get back on the field and kind of get his bearings back."
Only 70%? That's a major drop-off from Friday's one incompletion.
I have a quote for you from my 7 y.o. grandson to his Mom and grandmother when they went into the hall closet during a tornado warning about 6 weeks ago, "We're doomed!" LOL
But I'd rather defer to Bitonio: Taken from a article today by Pat McManamon, ESPN Staff Writer
"His mentality is night and day from last year," guard Joel Bitonio said. "He's focused in the meetings. He's determined to be better. I think the naked eye can say how he's approaching practice. He's trying to be a good football player. He's frustrated when he does stuff bad. He's excited when he does stuff well.
"He wants to be the best and I think that's the right mentality to have and he really improved that," Bitonio continued. "He's taking notes in meetings; he's on top of things. There's definitely an improvement and I think these preseason games are going to be valuable for him to get back on the field and kind of get his bearings back."
That's basic stuff you want to see.
Boy, what a shithead he must have been last year.
Z
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Exactly.....and nothing else....
McCown looks WAY better....so far......
But it was determined in the summer and it was claimed in the summer that it was due to Johnny's major suckage under center and McCown's dominance there. I've proven the latter is nonexistent. You guys keep acting like he was named the starter just this past weekend. If that were the case, you'd have a case.
But it was determined in the summer and it was claimed in the summer that it was due to Johnny's major suckage under center and McCown's dominance there. I've proven the latter is nonexistent. You guys keep acting like he was named the starter just this past weekend. If that were the case, you'd have a case.
McCown was named the starter in the offseason because, at that point, he looked like a better NFL QB than Johnny Manziel. And, at this point, he still does look like a better NFL QB.
Manziel was in an open competition last year. He didn't earn the job. He then got the job by default late in the season. He proved to be less than stellar.
McCown earned the job this season by being offered the job. It's his job to lose. At no point has Manziel shown that he should overtake McCown.
Whenever he does, then we'll talk. Until then, he just needs to keep pounding and earn his reps, like everyone else in the league.
The only thing that you have proven is that you can't grasp the concept of "the best player plays".
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See, this is something I just disagree on when people mention it. I don't see how in any shape or form you can win more than 7, 8 games without a franchise QB. You can reach that "mediocre" level sure, maybe even sneak into the playoffs. But that strategy will never work long-term, at least IMO.
Didn't the Ravens win a title with Trent Dilfer?
For every Trent Dilfer, there's 4 Tom Bradys.Didn't the Ravens win a title with Trent Dilfer?
The point being, examples of teams winning IN SPITE of their QB situation are much harder to find than examples of teams winning BECAUSE of their QB situation.
That's why you can easily remember Trent Dilfer, but you (nor a lot of other people) probably can't tell me offhand how many rings Joe Montana has.
It's always easier to remember the exception that proved the rule, because it's the exception.
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Didn't the Ravens win a title with Trent Dilfer?
Yes, but that was literally 15 years ago when defenses got away with murder (Ray lewis pun absolutely intended). A team built like that Ravens team would NEVER win in the game the way it is now.
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Is that so? The Seahawks would like a word with you.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Without Beastmode (and a great D) that team would be average.
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Hey guys. I'm really glad to hear the positives from camp. Johnny has taken a lot of good steps so far. Let's hope he stays on the right track and keeps working and improving.
What he had at A&M, besides talent, was a good knowledge of the offense and huge confidence. I'd love to see him get there for the Browns.
He just needs to keep grinding,
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Hey guys. I'm really glad to hear the positives from camp. Johnny has taken a lot of good steps so far. Let's hope he stays on the right track and keeps working and improving.
What he had at A&M, besides talent, was a good knowledge of the offense and huge confidence. I'd love to see him get there for the Browns.
He just needs to keep grinding,
Hey guys. I'm really glad to hear the positives from camp. Johnny has taken a lot of good steps so far. Let's hope he stays on the right track and keeps working and improving.
What he had at A&M, besides talent, was a good knowledge of the offense and huge confidence. I'd love to see him get there for the Browns.
He just needs to keep grinding,
A good knowledge of the offense? He was able to run around like a Retard 90% of the time until he threw a 50/50 ball for Evans or Swope. In fact his knowledge of the offense might not be the issue. His understanding of defense cost him dearly against LSU and UF.
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But it was determined in the summer and it was claimed in the summer that it was due to Johnny's major suckage under center and McCown's dominance there. I've proven the latter is nonexistent.
No, it wasn't and you haven't.
The under-center point was raised about three posts ago by me. It was an opinion based upon observation.
You've "proved" nothing.
Josh was named #1 going in camp because he was the better QB going into camp.
I think the same will be true going into the regular season... in part because of his play-action skill from under center.
You don't agree
Cool... but don't pretend it's anything more than that.
No, it wasn't and you haven't.
The under-center point was raised about three posts ago by me. It was an opinion based upon observation.
You've "proved" nothing.
Josh was named #1 going in camp because he was the better QB going into camp.
I think the same will be true going into the regular season... in part because of his play-action skill from under center.
You don't agree
Cool... but don't pretend it's anything more than that.
I can post actual stats all day. You can say "I watched him!" Doesn't take a logician to figure out whose "proof" is better.
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But it was determined in the summer and it was claimed in the summer that it was due to Johnny's major suckage under center and McCown's dominance there. I've proven the latter is nonexistent. You guys keep acting like he was named the starter just this past weekend. If that were the case, you'd have a case.
McCown was named the starter in the offseason because, at that point, he looked like a better NFL QB than Johnny Manziel. And, at this point, he still does look like a better NFL QB.
Manziel was in an open competition last year. He didn't earn the job. He then got the job by default late in the season. He proved to be less than stellar.
McCown earned the job this season by being offered the job. It's his job to lose. At no point has Manziel shown that he should overtake McCown.
Whenever he does, then we'll talk. Until then, he just needs to keep pounding and earn his reps, like everyone else in the league.
The only thing that you have proven is that you can't grasp the concept of "the best player plays".
McCown was named the starter in the offseason because, at that point, he looked like a better NFL QB than Johnny Manziel. And, at this point, he still does look like a better NFL QB.
Manziel was in an open competition last year. He didn't earn the job. He then got the job by default late in the season. He proved to be less than stellar.
McCown earned the job this season by being offered the job. It's his job to lose. At no point has Manziel shown that he should overtake McCown.
Whenever he does, then we'll talk. Until then, he just needs to keep pounding and earn his reps, like everyone else in the league.
The only thing that you have proven is that you can't grasp the concept of "the best player plays".
Well that (since it's a complete myth anyway), and that McCown is not some amazing under center snap taker.
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And this short into TC I think we are right on schedule with all. This is gonna be a good season overall. They are building a team that does not rely on a "star" QB to pull the fat out of the fire every possession. They are building one with a stellar D that just needs an O to at least help keep the other team off the field for half the game with a few first downs as often as possible and some scores when opportunity presents. Staff thinks they will be able to do that.
See, this is something I just disagree on when people mention it. I don't see how in any shape or form you can win more than 7, 8 games without a franchise QB. You can reach that "mediocre" level sure, maybe even sneak into the playoffs. But that strategy will never work long-term, at least IMO.
See, this is something I just disagree on when people mention it. I don't see how in any shape or form you can win more than 7, 8 games without a franchise QB. You can reach that "mediocre" level sure, maybe even sneak into the playoffs. But that strategy will never work long-term, at least IMO.
Buffalo last year says hello as well.
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Your post strongly implied Manziek was a celeb. He caused a circus. So name McCown the starter.
You keep going back to practice when I am asking what in McCown's history made him the anointed starter PRIOR TO training camp. It certainly is not his ability to play under center, which is the commonly cited reason.
Yes...you do have a way of "adding words" to what I said.....it was a circus and created a distraction and prevented the team from practicing on a regular basis with one QB......what I did NOT say was "Manziek was a celeb. He caused a circus"......those are words you added.....and not what I was implying...
We've had QB comps before Johnny too....they are never what you prefer....its best to have a #1....
And, when we signed McCown...yes, he was named #1....and, at the same time, Johnny was in rehab with zero indication if/when he might return....so,theres that....McCown was the only option.
Ive never heard anyone associated with the team saying we picked him up due to his ability to play under center....ever. Ive only heard them say they needed maturity and leadership and needed someone to execute a basic "run first" offense, that hopefully will be supported by strong defense. Then I heard them(The Browns) say they liked the way McCown played in Chicago and they felt, based upon that tape, that McCown would fit our scheme well....thats why we signed him ....its been printed and said a millions times by Farmer...Pettine...etc...
And....just last week, Pettine said AGAIN, that we have to have a #1 to properly prepare.....But the door was open for anyone to step up and take that job....and he would NOT say the McCown was his day 1 starter....
That is hair splitting of the microscopic sort. We are saying the same thing.Yes...you do have a way of "adding words" to what I said.....it was a circus and created a distraction and prevented the team from practicing on a regular basis with one QB......what I did NOT say was "Manziek was a celeb. He caused a circus"......those are words you added.....and not what I was implying...
We've had QB comps before Johnny too....they are never what you prefer....its best to have a #1....
And, when we signed McCown...yes, he was named #1....and, at the same time, Johnny was in rehab with zero indication if/when he might return....so,theres that....McCown was the only option.
Ive never heard anyone associated with the team saying we picked him up due to his ability to play under center....ever. Ive only heard them say they needed maturity and leadership and needed someone to execute a basic "run first" offense, that hopefully will be supported by strong defense. Then I heard them(The Browns) say they liked the way McCown played in Chicago and they felt, based upon that tape, that McCown would fit our scheme well....thats why we signed him ....its been printed and said a millions times by Farmer...Pettine...etc...
And....just last week, Pettine said AGAIN, that we have to have a #1 to properly prepare.....But the door was open for anyone to step up and take that job....and he would NOT say the McCown was his day 1 starter....
I'm not talking about guys associated with the team. I'm talking about the groundswell of McCown supporters here. If "guys associated with the team" is the only standard by which truth is revealed then we can pretty much toss the "Johnny was Jimmy's pick" theory. I wish I could hop in a time machine and go back two months. Just post "why did we need to sign McCown" and I'm pretty sure a solid 50+% of the responses would have had to do with Johnny being terrible under center. Ergo, we need a guy who is better at taking snaps under center (yes this is an implication, which I know you don't believe in but they're all around). This isn't rocket science. And no, team officials aren't going to come out and say "yeah, Johnny Manziel under center is about as good as a screen door on a submarine" (yes, I'm exaggerating what you said they didn't say). That wasn't my point. I was talking about the fans' opinion.
Also (and this is no longer a response to you Mudfly, just don't feel like doing a new post), a lot of people are simplistically hitting me with the "Josh McCown is the starter because he is better right now." K thanks, bros, way to completely miss the nuances of the discussion we're having. Although I would point you to a ton of teams out there that have started their young draftee at QB over a better (at the time) veteran. But since we're apparently still in the "under THIS staff, the better players will be starting 100% of the time, no exceptions, and the staff's eyes are always to be trusted!" phase of the new regime, I suppose that's not in the cards. And to be clear, I think McCown should start at the moment. I just arrive at that conclusion for much different reasons than everyone else.
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