Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@sdoerschukREP: Pettine says not to read too much into Manziel getting reps w/ones. But don't under-read it, either. Coaches, GM keeping open minds on QBs.
Steve Doerschuk@sdoerschukREPPettine says not to read too much into Manziel getting reps w/ones. But don't under-read it, either. Coaches, GM keeping open minds on QBs. -
It's just moronic to use his pro failure to date to marginalize his college career
What you need to understand is, we Browns fans don't care one bit about his college career, and even further from that, we don't care what college he played for and we never even give it a second thought. All that we care about is whether or not he is helping the Browns win....... Period. If he can and does, we'll love him, if he can't and doesn't he'll be nothing more than a vague memory, and a bad one at that.
What you need to understand is, we Browns fans don't care one bit about his college career, and even further from that, we don't care what college he played for and we never even give it a second thought. All that we care about is whether or not he is helping the Browns win....... Period. If he can and does, we'll love him, if he can't and doesn't he'll be nothing more than a vague memory, and a bad one at that.
I understamd Browns fans don't care, and I don't care either, relative to his career as a Brown.
But when his college career is misrepresented, I can't help but correct it. He made mistakes in college, but definitely no more than most others, and his positives far outweigh his negatives in college. It's just mind-boggling to me that that even needs to be said.
So far, he's been a terrible pro, but hopefully he's turning that around.
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We talkin bout PRACTICE! Nice one, dst.
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What you need to understand is, we Browns fans don't care one bit about his college career, and even further from that, we don't care what college he played for and we never even give it a second thought. All that we care about is whether or not he is helping the Browns win....... Period. If he can and does, we'll love him, if he can't and doesn't he'll be nothing more than a vague memory, and a bad one at that.
I understamd Browns fans don't care, and I don't care either, relative to his career as a Brown.
But when his college career is misrepresented, I can't help but correct it. He made mistakes in college, but definitely no more than most others, and his positives far outweigh his negatives in college. It's just mind-boggling to me that that even needs to be said.
So far, he's been a terrible pro, but hopefully he's turning that around.
So far, he's been a terrible pro, but hopefully he's turning that around.
We agree 100% on this.
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What you need to understand is, we Browns fans don't care one bit about his college career, and even further from that, we don't care what college he played for and we never even give it a second thought. All that we care about is whether or not he is helping the Browns win....... Period. If he can and does, we'll love him, if he can't and doesn't he'll be nothing more than a vague memory, and a bad one at that.
I understamd Browns fans don't care, and I don't care either, relative to his career as a Brown.
But when his college career is misrepresented, I can't help but correct it. He made mistakes in college, but definitely no more than most others, and his positives far outweigh his negatives in college. It's just mind-boggling to me that that even needs to be said.
So far, he's been a terrible pro, but hopefully he's turning that around.
I understamd Browns fans don't care, and I don't care either, relative to his career as a Brown.
But when his college career is misrepresented, I can't help but correct it. He made mistakes in college, but definitely no more than most others, and his positives far outweigh his negatives in college. It's just mind-boggling to me that that even needs to be said.
So far, he's been a terrible pro, but hopefully he's turning that around.
The big problem that we (as Browns fans) are all to familiar with, is that Stats & College performance don't always translate to the NFL.
Take a look at Hoyers' Stats, looking at them they're pretty mediocre, but the guy had an "It" factor that helped him to lead the Team and win games . . . winningest Record of any Browns QB in over a Decade (may not be saying much).
Personally, from what I've seen NFL wise I don't expect much from JM, but would be thrilled to be proved wrong.
I'm encouraged that he's actually making progress from what I've seen and read this year in comparison to last year . . . in fact I just now watched him throw a long TD pass followed by another long completion in the Columbus Scrimmage.
On another note, I think you're going to find me much more welcoming to New/Texas fans than some on here.
Big picture here is that many many years ago the Browns were a Force in the NFL, but since then as a Team they have faltered and lost many fans (some through Old Age).
We need all the new/fresh Blood we can get, and if it all starts with one Player then I care, welcome aboard and hope you stay around for the rough times.
Manziel just threw his second TD as I write this in the Scrimmage.
Speaking of the Scrimmage . . . they're expecting 60,00 - 75,000 fans for the SCRIMMAGE . . . in Columbus . . . and the University cut it off @ 75K.
That's kind of fan support we need . . .
And all you AG/ New/ Texas supporters . . . welcome and hope you stay for the long run.
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I'm not here to marginalize his college accomplishments. However I also realize he was the benefactor of having NFL quality receivers and got away rather regularly with some highly questionable throws.
No different than the throws I saw JaMarcus Russell of Brady Quinn get away with. So trust me, I'm not picking on Johnny exclusively or for my health.
I totally disagree. He had 70% completion rate and a good td./int ratio. His decision-making was much better than average and his accuracy was great. He put up the 2 most productive seasons in the history of college football. You don't do that by throwing an over-abundance of 50/50 balls.
But again, it doesn't matter now. He's got a long way to go to be a good pro. Looking forward to seeing the scrimmage today.
I totally disagree. He had 70% completion rate and a good td./int ratio. His decision-making was much better than average and his accuracy was great. He put up the 2 most productive seasons in the history of college football. You don't do that by throwing an over-abundance of 50/50 balls.
But again, it doesn't matter now. He's got a long way to go to be a good pro. Looking forward to seeing the scrimmage today.
I could loOK at the stars from pretty much any Texas Tech QB while I'm at it as well. His decision making was highly questionable at times. Remember him jumping head first into a pile of doook defenders when the flare to the boundary was open? Fumbling and re-catching a ball while spinning around against Bama.
Stats are nice but they aren't everything.
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I totally disagree. He had 70% completion rate and a good td./int ratio. His decision-making was much better than average and his accuracy was great. He put up the 2 most productive seasons in the history of college football. You don't do that by throwing an over-abundance of 50/50 balls.
But again, it doesn't matter now. He's got a long way to go to be a good pro. Looking forward to seeing the scrimmage today.
I could loOK at the stars from pretty much any Texas Tech QB while I'm at it as well. His decision making was highly questionable at times. Remember him jumping head first into a pile of doook defenders when the flare to the boundary was open? Fumbling and re-catching a ball while spinning around against Bama.
Stats are nice but they aren't everything.
I could loOK at the stars from pretty much any Texas Tech QB while I'm at it as well. His decision making was highly questionable at times. Remember him jumping head first into a pile of doook defenders when the flare to the boundary was open? Fumbling and re-catching a ball while spinning around against Bama.
Stats are nice but they aren't everything.
Hmmmm, that sounds like this guy :
“God forbid I am forced to play,” he said.
Have to concede, JM has made a few good Play call changes the last few series I saw him in.
. . . there may actually be a "Gleem" in this guys future . . . .
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liked what i saw from him in the 'scrimmage' although i saw a couple times he just fell back to same ol' JF....but overall he did look good.
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So fumbling a ball (and then scoring) means his decision making sucks? News to me.
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Just gonna leave this here.
Like what little I saw in the Scrimmage, but it's not even a Pre-Season game . . . so I'm really going to be critical of things this year . . . just been bit too many times by the propaganda.
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Just gonna leave this here.
And the best man has been McCown.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I know. The point was he is taking a shot at Hoyer. Otherwise that comment is just out of left field.
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Just gonna leave this here.
And the best man has been McCown.
And the best man has been McCown.
Not what I saw, but as I said, it's just a stinkin' Scrimmage . . . it's not even a Pre-Season game yet . . . and we all know those mean squat.
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uh mccown looked better tonight, given the fact that he'd played vs. the ones D and not the twos. not discounting the fact that manziel looked a lot better than i've ever seen him look in a brown's uni.
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uh mccown looked better tonight, given the fact that he'd played vs. the ones D and not the twos. not discounting the fact that manziel looked a lot better than i've ever seen him look in a brown's uni.
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Darn eastern time threw me off so I missed it.
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Unofficially Manziel was 9-for-11 for 93 yards with two TDs (sacked once by Nate Orchard).
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So did Johnny get any reps with the 1s? I've read both that he did and that he didn't.
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