STALLWORTH UPDATE
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I think you're all correct in reserving judgment until the facts are in... and all seem to recognize just how big a tragedy this is for everyone.
That being said, I can't help but wonder how Browns fandom would be reacting to this if he were a member of the Steelers.
I think you're all correct in reserving judgment until the facts are in... and all seem to recognize just how big a tragedy this is for everyone.
That being said, I can't help but wonder how Browns fandom would be reacting to this if he were a member of the Steelers.
I'll be honest, my first thought was I hope we cut him and he never works again, but then I had a chance to stop and think it over.
If it was DS's fault, he was drunk and pulled a Leonard Little, I hope the guy gets jail time for what he did.
If it was the pedestrian's fault (jwalked out into the street while plastered) then I hope DS walks and learns to be more cautious on the road.
If it was a Steeler, Raven, or Bengal I'd have the same initial snap reaction and then calm down and look at what happened.
It's a tragedy and if it were one of the members of my family I'd be wanting to see someone's head before all the facts came out just from emotional distress and may never come to terms with what had happened.
You see there is a big difference between a guy like DS doing something like this, a guy who has had a clean record his life, and a guy like Leonard Little who has a history of drunk driving. We tend to jump to conclusions more often with the latter because so often it is a spoiled athlete that thinks he's above the law, and sad thing is these guys usually walk or pay a fraction of the cost one of us would if we did something like that.
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mz. said:
My attempt at bringing levity to the situation was clearly lost on the über-serious.Did you ever think there is a time for levity and there are times where levity is tastless?
Poor Judgement was used in your post.
oldcow1945 said:
Did you ever think there is a time for levity and there are times where levity is tastless?Poor Judgement was used in your post.
Seriously? Is it a tad sanctimonious in here or is it just me?
Good God, people, do you really find it necessary to saddle up the high horse and ride in situations like this?
Does everyone have to post with their hearts on their sleeves to meet your moral standard for this situation? Do we all have to offer prayers to the family of the victim and to Donte Stallworth?
Why?
Are we praying for the millions of poor in the world while we discuss the millions of dollars being given to athletes as though they ACTUALLY deserve it?
Are we praying for the rest of the thousands of people all over the world who were killed yesterday, accidentally and worse yet, intentionally?
Should we start a prayer offering thread? Or maybe a religious board where we can debate the relative strengths of each of our moral compasses? Perhaps a morality pissing contest?
No? Nobody into it?
Fine, then you post what you want and you let me post what I want and how about we quit with the holier-than-thou's in here.
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http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/41265927.html
Nice Headline Beacon. Makes it sound like the Browns cut him. That's how to get your story read!!
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mz. said:
My attempt at bringing levity to the situation was clearly lost on the über-serious.Did you ever think there is a time for levity and there are times where levity is tastless?
Poor Judgement was used in your post.
oldcow1945 said:
Did you ever think there is a time for levity and there are times where levity is tastless?Poor Judgement was used in your post.
Not exactly sure how a joke about Stallworth not earning his signing bonus turned into a moral crusade, but spare us all the preaching. Nobody joked about anyone dying at all so get over yourselves.
PS when someone like cal agrees with your assessment of morality, you know you've turned the self-righteousness scale up to eleven.
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Prosecutors are always poised to levy charges......it's called doing their jobs.
If the blood work is positive, they start one process. If not, they look at lesser charges if it is deemed Stallworth is still at fault in the accident....which as of now doesn't look to be the case......in which case, the case is closed.....at least until the family trys to get some cash in a civil suit.
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my dad has worked in insurance for 30 years. he said that if the blood tests are negative that he probably won't get jail time because with no drugs or alcohol in his system, it was an accident like most others. if he blew the legal limit, he is screwed. simple as that.
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PROSECUTORS POISED TO CHARGE STALLWORTH WITH DUI
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2009, 6:47 p.m.
As authorities in South Florida wait for the results of a blood draw performed on Browns receiver Donte’ Stallworth, a source with knowledge of the investigation tells us that prosecutors are preparing an indictment for DUI manslaughter, under the assumption that the results will show that Stallworth’s blood alcohol content exceeded the legal limit of 0.08 percent when he collided with a pedestrian, who later died.
Per the source, Stallworth admitted to drinking at least four Patrons and two Margaritas. A separate source called that information “basically right,” but added that Stallworth contends he had his last drink at midnight. The incident occurred after 7:00 a.m. local time.
We’re also told that Stallworth claimed in his statement to police that he saw the man crossing the street from a distance, and flashed the high beams and honked the horn of the Bentley he was driving. Apparently, there’s an issue as to whether Stallworth could have taken evasive action because of a barrier along the median.
We’re told that Stallworth is badly shaken by the news that the pedestrian had died.
And, frankly, he should be. Apart from the fact that he was involved in an accident that claimed a man’s life, Stallworth could be facing serious criminal liability, if the pending test reveals an impermissibly high concentration of alcohol in his blood.
We’re also told that Stallworth claimed in his statement to police that he saw the man crossing the street from a distance, and flashed the high beams and honked the horn of the Bentley he was driving.
If I were crossing the road and an approaching car flashed it's high beams at me, that would indicate to me that the driver has seen me, and acknowledged me, and was a signal that it was ok to cross.
If you had time to flash lights, honk horn, you'd think one would have time to stop or slow down enough as to not cause a fatality.
Sign Holt.
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First of all...not defending Stallworth!
I'm sitting in my Den watching the news this morning (Miami TV). I saw the crimescene and it looked like a freeway to me...large cement median between the opposing lanes (3 going one way and 3 going the other way) and a large metal guard rail on the outside of the 3 lanes which had the sidewalk totally protected on the outside. They showed shoes (marked with numbers as evidence) near the passing lane (far left lane) near the freeway style cement center barrier. His Bentley was also parked in the far left lane (next to the center barrier just beyond the shoe evidence). To me, it also looked like the road was just as you are coming out of a curve as well.
I didn't read all the posts on this but did they show this in Cleveland?
I know you're not supposed to hit/kill pedestrians and Drinking and Driving is a BIG no no but...isn't there a degree of fault there for the unfortunate soul in the middle of the road? Or did I miss something?
CLICK BELOW TO VIEW MIAMI NEWS VIDEO (AFTER COMMERCIAL):
http://cbs4.com/video/[email protected]
What do you think?
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That video would indicate this guy was nowhere near an intersection or crossing. That's a concrete barrier dividing 6 lanes of highway.
Tried to zoom in on the street level map of MacArthur Causeway.... looks like some of it has sidewalk but not all of it. Regardless, that wasn't a crosswalk.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Miami+Be...0:::::f:EN:M:/e
Clevelandfan... You don't even have to blow the legal limit to get your nuts in a wrench. OVI... Operating a vehicle impaired... Makes no reference to a specific amount or limit of alcohol. Plus, it's not exclusive to alcohol. Are you tired? That's impaired. You can get hit with an OVI. Prescription Meds.... That's impaired. You could blow a 0.04, half the current legal limit (watch for a push for .06), and be charged with an OVI. ANY amount qualifies as impaired.
Who knows if he actually did blow his horn and flash his lights... for all we know yet.... the pedestrian was off his meds therefore disoriented and Donte happened to be updating his profile on Twitter at that exact moment and not paying complete attention to the road.
Unfortunate and sad, but the pedestrian bares a little of the blame at this point. We still don't know enough about Donte's condition at this time.
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No witnesses either?
7 a.m. ..... wait Miami beach.... those people don't need to go to work in the morning. Duh! Silly me. 'Course there was no one else on the road at that time of morning.
This was eastbound correct? You look at that stretch of causeway and there is practically NOTHING on the south end of that stretch of road anyway. Outside of somebody biking or (this is Miami) rollerblading the length of the causeway heading east you probaby don't see many people on that side anyway.
....AND, that looked like a loafer. Could have been a late night for the pedestrian.
Not defending Donte here, just not throwing my stone yet.
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TheJokersWILD said:
Saying you saw someone from a distance and you still hit and killed them almost sounds like an admission of guilt.No it doesn't.
It sounds like he saw a guy starting to run across the highway...he honked and flashed.....looks like Stallworth was in the left lane with nowhere to go there...Stallworth honks...the guy gets to the middle lane...all this happening at say 60 mph....Stallworth at that point can't go right or he drives right in to the guy...Stallworth figures the guy sees him and is waiting for Stallworth to pass...and then in the split second of truth...the idiot continues to run ...at that point....lights out.
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Maybe he was going to fast to stop . He better be clean on the screen or he is in deep doo-doo
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No doubt he needs to be clean. If what he says about the time line on when he was drinking...even if he is off a couple of hours and it was 2 am...5 hours is enough time for him to drop down well below any illegal level, and almost in to the non-existent level.(assuming the quantities mentioned are pretty accurate and he wasn't just shithammered)
Now, if illegal substances are found, well that is an entirely different matter, but the fact he was released bodes well for him.
The cops wouldn't have released him if he showed visible signs of being impaired.. They would have booked and charged him
Also, charging him with a OVI after the fact with traces of alcohol would be a hard burden to prove at this point since the investigating officers would really need to be the ones to make that call.
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I don't think it would be hard to charge him with OVI at all. They have his blood. If it did in fact come back positive for ANY substance they can slap him with the charges.
Obviously I don't think he went all "Rip Torn" on them or they would have in fact detained him. Not to mention I'm sure his lawyer was there pretty quick making sure his client was released.
I can hear the soap opera music in my head ...."And so are the Days of Our Lives"..... cue laundry soap commercial.
it puts the lotion on it's skin, or it's forced to watch the Browns -
here's a thought that just occured to me.... yes, it takes a while....
I've heard ZERO about a breathalyzer test...
You were in an accident. You hit a pedestrian. You admitted to consuming alcohol the night before (You're a few million richer, who wouldn't). I understand they drew blood, but no breathalyzer ? That's got lawyer written all over it.
Wonder which call went out first.... his attorney or 911
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PROSECUTORS POISED TO CHARGE STALLWORTH WITH DUI
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2009, 6:47 p.m.
As authorities in South Florida wait for the results of a blood draw performed on Browns receiver Donte’ Stallworth, a source with knowledge of the investigation tells us that prosecutors are preparing an indictment for DUI manslaughter, under the assumption that the results will show that Stallworth’s blood alcohol content exceeded the legal limit of 0.08 percent when he collided with a pedestrian, who later died.
Per the source, Stallworth admitted to drinking at least four Patrons and two Margaritas. A separate source called that information “basically right,” but added that Stallworth contends he had his last drink at midnight. The incident occurred after 7:00 a.m. local time.
We’re also told that Stallworth claimed in his statement to police that he saw the man crossing the street from a distance, and flashed the high beams and honked the horn of the Bentley he was driving. Apparently, there’s an issue as to whether Stallworth could have taken evasive action because of a barrier along the median.
We’re told that Stallworth is badly shaken by the news that the pedestrian had died.
And, frankly, he should be. Apart from the fact that he was involved in an accident that claimed a man’s life, Stallworth could be facing serious criminal liability, if the pending test reveals an impermissibly high concentration of alcohol in his blood.
PROSECUTORS POISED TO CHARGE STALLWORTH WITH DUI
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2009, 6:47 p.m.
We’re also told that Stallworth claimed in his statement to police that he saw the man crossing the street from a distance, and flashed the high beams and honked the horn of the Bentley he was driving. Apparently, there’s an issue as to whether Stallworth could have taken evasive action because of a barrier along the median.
Slowing down might have been an even better option if this is true
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oldcow1945 said:
Did you ever think there is a time for levity and there are times where levity is tastless?Poor Judgement was used in your post.
Not exactly sure how a joke about Stallworth not earning his signing bonus turned into a moral crusade, but spare us all the preaching. Nobody joked about anyone dying at all so get over yourselves.
PS when someone like cal agrees with your assessment of morality, you know you've turned the self-righteousness scale up to eleven.
mz. said:
Not exactly sure how a joke about Stallworth not earning his signing bonus turned into a moral crusade, but spare us all the preaching. Nobody joked about anyone dying at all so get over yourselves.PS when someone like cal agrees with your assessment of morality, you know you've turned the self-righteousness scale up to eleven.
The main point of your joke was not the bonus. It was about partying because of it. Your attempt to lesson your complete lack of taste during a sad situation doesn't wash. It amazes me how people will never admit when they were wrong or may have stepped over the line. It makes you look even worse. Now you are tastless and heartless.
You belong with KCrane, our favorite Steeler fan.
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I don't think it would be hard to charge him with OVI at all. They have his blood. If it did in fact come back positive for ANY substance they can slap him with the charges.
Obviously I don't think he went all "Rip Torn" on them or they would have in fact detained him. Not to mention I'm sure his lawyer was there pretty quick making sure his client was released.
I can hear the soap opera music in my head ...."And so are the Days of Our Lives"..... cue laundry soap commercial.
I don't think it would be hard to charge him with OVI at all. They have his blood. If it did in fact come back positive for ANY substance they can slap him with the charges.
Illegal substance. Alcohol isn't illegal.
.04...half the legal limit is where a lesser charge could be levied, so if he was .01 or something in that range, it won't happen.
By accounts, he had at least 7 hours to sober up. The normal person pretty much clears a drink a hour.
He said he had 3 beers and a margarita the night before. He cleared that amount in 7 hours. Even if he drank double that amount, he would only show trace amounts....now if the time he stopped was more like 2am....it might be a problem if the amounts he said were higher.....he might start pushing that halfway point.
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We’re also told that Stallworth claimed in his statement to police that he saw the man crossing the street from a distance, and flashed the high beams and honked the horn of the Bentley he was driving.
If I were crossing the road and an approaching car flashed it's high beams at me, that would indicate to me that the driver has seen me, and acknowledged me, and was a signal that it was ok to cross.
If you had time to flash lights, honk horn, you'd think one would have time to stop or slow down enough as to not cause a fatality.
Sign Holt.
If I were crossing the road and an approaching car flashed it's high beams at me, that would indicate to me that the driver has seen me, and acknowledged me, and was a signal that it was ok to cross.
If you had time to flash lights, honk horn, you'd think one would have time to stop or slow down enough as to not cause a fatality.
Sign Holt.
Ate, I use to subscribe to the same train of thought. Then I spent several years working in a different city then the one I grew up in and let me tell you, in Youngstown, when someone flashes their high beams at you it means, "I'm coming through!" The high beam flash is meant for YOU to see THEM. It's not, "Go ahead, I see you." It's, "Hey, jackass! Do you not see me barreling down the road here?!?!"
A high beam flash translates differently in different places, and it is NOT always combined with a vehicle automatically slowing down. Think of it as the equivalent to a train blowing it's airhorn.
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Oh puh-lease. mz the pussy whiffed on his attempt at levity, but he's struck comedic gold plenty a time in the past. I think we can afford to cut him some slack.
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