Big Man Kicking Contest
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The toe doesn't get more distance. If it did, players would take some kicks in soccer with their toe. No one does. It only gets more distance if you don't have the correct, soccer style technique down. Kicking with your toe messes up the natural swing of your leg and your run up. It also is bad for the health of your foot.
There had to be people living in the US from another country that knew about soccer and watched a football game. I'm guessing the Americans just said "What do you know about kicking? This is a man's game! Unlike your pansy soccer!" and ignored the suggestion. I bet you could have closed your eyes, grabbed a player off of an EPL league, and found a better FG kicker (after some practice) than the majority of FG kickers at the time.
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The toe doesn't get more distance. If it did, players would take some kicks in soccer with their toe. No one does. It only gets more distance if you don't have the correct, soccer style technique down. Kicking with your toe messes up the natural swing of your leg and your run up. It also is bad for the health of your foot.
There had to be people living in the US from another country that knew about soccer and watched a football game. I'm guessing the Americans just said "What do you know about kicking? This is a man's game! Unlike your pansy soccer!" and ignored the suggestion. I bet you could have closed your eyes, grabbed a player off of an EPL league, and found a better FG kicker (after some practice) than the majority of FG kickers at the time.
The toe doesn't get more distance. If it did, players would take some kicks in soccer with their toe. No one does. It only gets more distance if you don't have the correct, soccer style technique down. Kicking with your toe messes up the natural swing of your leg and your run up. It also is bad for the health of your foot.
There had to be people living in the US from another country that knew about soccer and watched a football game. I'm guessing the Americans just said "What do you know about kicking? This is a man's game! Unlike your pansy soccer!" and ignored the suggestion. I bet you could have closed your eyes, grabbed a player off of an EPL league, and found a better FG kicker (after some practice) than the majority of FG kickers at the time.
Did you read what I said? NO, there was no one prior to the 60s here to teach soccer style kicking. Even European and South American soccer players often used the toe kick when playing rather than the instep kick.
There was no cable TV in the 50s/60s. No satellite TV. No cell phones. No video games. No computers. No soccer style kickers
You want to make a call....use a land line or pay phone. You want some information? Go to the library and look it up. You want to kick a football....even a soccer ball? You do it with your toe.
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The toe doesn't get more distance. If it did, players would take some kicks in soccer with their toe. No one does. It only gets more distance if you don't have the correct, soccer style technique down. Kicking with your toe messes up the natural swing of your leg and your run up. It also is bad for the health of your foot.
There had to be people living in the US from another country that knew about soccer and watched a football game. I'm guessing the Americans just said "What do you know about kicking? This is a man's game! Unlike your pansy soccer!" and ignored the suggestion. I bet you could have closed your eyes, grabbed a player off of an EPL league, and found a better FG kicker (after some practice) than the majority of FG kickers at the time.
Did you read what I said? NO, there was no one prior to the 60s here to teach soccer style kicking. Even European and South American soccer players often used the toe kick when playing rather than the instep kick.
There was no cable TV in the 50s/60s. No satellite TV. No cell phones. No video games. No computers. No soccer style kickers
You want to make a call....use a land line or pay phone. You want some information? Go to the library and look it up. You want to kick a football....even a soccer ball? You do it with your toe.
You want to make a call....use a land line or pay phone. You want some information? Go to the library and look it up. You want to kick a football....even a soccer ball? You do it with your toe.
Also... Lou "The Instep" just doesn't have the same panache...
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You want to make a call....use a land line or pay phone. You want some information? Go to the library and look it up. You want to kick a football....even a soccer ball? You do it with your toe.
Also... Lou "The Instep" just doesn't have the same panache...
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What am I supposed to be noticing here? I watched that and saw plenty of soccer style kicks, but no apparent toe kicking...
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The toe doesn't get more distance. If it did, players would take some kicks in soccer with their toe. No one does. It only gets more distance if you don't have the correct, soccer style technique down. Kicking with your toe messes up the natural swing of your leg and your run up. It also is bad for the health of your foot.
There had to be people living in the US from another country that knew about soccer and watched a football game. I'm guessing the Americans just said "What do you know about kicking? This is a man's game! Unlike your pansy soccer!" and ignored the suggestion. I bet you could have closed your eyes, grabbed a player off of an EPL league, and found a better FG kicker (after some practice) than the majority of FG kickers at the time.
Did you read what I said? NO, there was no one prior to the 60s here to teach soccer style kicking. Even European and South American soccer players often used the toe kick when playing rather than the instep kick.
There was no cable TV in the 50s/60s. No satellite TV. No cell phones. No video games. No computers. No soccer style kickers
You want to make a call....use a land line or pay phone. You want some information? Go to the library and look it up. You want to kick a football....even a soccer ball? You do it with your toe.
Did you read what I said? NO, there was no one prior to the 60s here to teach soccer style kicking. Even European and South American soccer players often used the toe kick when playing rather than the instep kick.
There was no cable TV in the 50s/60s. No satellite TV. No cell phones. No video games. No computers. No soccer style kickers
You want to make a call....use a land line or pay phone. You want some information? Go to the library and look it up. You want to kick a football....even a soccer ball? You do it with your toe.
I was replying to Mudfly, not you...
Yes, a toe kick as a shot can make sense now and then. It all depends on the situation. You will for a fact though have LESS power and LESS accuracy than if you were to use an instep kick.
Here is footage from 1901 showing a match, and some goal kicks with the instep style kick. Watch the dribbling, passing, shooting, and most importantly, the goal kicks.
I understand many of the methods of communication used today were not around then. But people were coming over from Europe to the US, correct? These people carrying knowledge of a sport called soccer? Knowledge on how to kick a ball, possible that they could have shared with people kicking field goals? That was the point.
Maybe someone more informed on the history of soccer could fill me in, but was there ever a time when everyone went around kicking with their toes? And if so, when did the switch to more "modern" style kicking happen?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Did you read what I said? NO, there was no one prior to the 60s here to teach soccer style kicking. Even European and South American soccer players often used the toe kick when playing rather than the instep kick.
There was no cable TV in the 50s/60s. No satellite TV. No cell phones. No video games. No computers. No soccer style kickers
You want to make a call....use a land line or pay phone. You want some information? Go to the library and look it up. You want to kick a football....even a soccer ball? You do it with your toe.
I was replying to Mudfly, not you...
Yes, a toe kick as a shot can make sense now and then. It all depends on the situation. You will for a fact though have LESS power and LESS accuracy than if you were to use an instep kick.
Here is footage from 1901 showing a match, and some goal kicks with the instep style kick. Watch the dribbling, passing, shooting, and most importantly, the goal kicks.
I understand many of the methods of communication used today were not around then. But people were coming over from Europe to the US, correct? These people carrying knowledge of a sport called soccer? Knowledge on how to kick a ball, possible that they could have shared with people kicking field goals? That was the point.
Maybe someone more informed on the history of soccer could fill me in, but was there ever a time when everyone went around kicking with their toes? And if so, when did the switch to more "modern" style kicking happen?
I was replying to Mudfly, not you...
Yes, a toe kick as a shot can make sense now and then. It all depends on the situation. You will for a fact though have LESS power and LESS accuracy than if you were to use an instep kick.
Here is footage from 1901 showing a match, and some goal kicks with the instep style kick. Watch the dribbling, passing, shooting, and most importantly, the goal kicks.
I understand many of the methods of communication used today were not around then. But people were coming over from Europe to the US, correct? These people carrying knowledge of a sport called soccer? Knowledge on how to kick a ball, possible that they could have shared with people kicking field goals? That was the point.
Maybe someone more informed on the history of soccer could fill me in, but was there ever a time when everyone went around kicking with their toes? And if so, when did the switch to more "modern" style kicking happen?
Really? Have you read this thread? Instep kicking started with Gogolak in the NFL in the 60s. In fact, I think the Gogolak brothers were the first to do it in college in the 60s. That is when it started.
People were coming over from Europe before that, sure. War brides like my mom. Regugees.....but not soccer kickers....because no one cared about soccer or played soccer here until then.
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Yes I've read the thread. Yes I understand where it started in the NFL.
What is a "soccer kicker" to you? I'm guessing most people from Europe grew up with some idea of how to kick. I'm asking how this was never picked up by the NFL sooner, since you get more power and are more accurate. It sounds like it was just ignorance that slowed that change.
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Yes I've read the thread. Yes I understand where it started in the NFL.
What is a "soccer kicker" to you? I'm guessing most people from Europe grew up with some idea of how to kick. I'm asking how this was never picked up by the NFL sooner, since you get more power and are more accurate. It sounds like it was just ignorance that slowed that change.
Yes I've read the thread. Yes I understand where it started in the NFL.
What is a "soccer kicker" to you? I'm guessing most people from Europe grew up with some idea of how to kick. I'm asking how this was never picked up by the NFL sooner, since you get more power and are more accurate. It sounds like it was just ignorance that slowed that change.
Nobody cared about soccer, nobody watched soccer, nobody played soccer. Why are you being obtuse about this?
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Only the woodpecker knows. "Obtuse" is a polite word, good job, Gipper.
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Yes I've read the thread. Yes I understand where it started in the NFL.
What is a "soccer kicker" to you? I'm guessing most people from Europe grew up with some idea of how to kick. I'm asking how this was never picked up by the NFL sooner, since you get more power and are more accurate. It sounds like it was just ignorance that slowed that change.
Nobody cared about soccer, nobody watched soccer, nobody played soccer. Why are you being obtuse about this?
Nobody cared about soccer, nobody watched soccer, nobody played soccer. Why are you being obtuse about this?
I don't think you're following...
I've agreed with your above statement multiple fucking times. Keep up. I am talking about people from other countries, that did care about soccer, that could have shared their knowledge of how to properly kick a ball. And shit, its not like no one in the entire US had ever heard of soccer at the time...
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Nobody cared about soccer, nobody watched soccer, nobody played soccer. Why are you being obtuse about this?
I don't think you're following...
I've agreed with your above statement multiple fucking times. Keep up. I am talking about people from other countries, that did care about soccer, that could have shared their knowledge of how to properly kick a ball. And shit, its not like no one in the entire US had ever heard of soccer at the time...
I don't think you're following...
I've agreed with your above statement multiple fucking times. Keep up. I am talking about people from other countries, that did care about soccer, that could have shared their knowledge of how to properly kick a ball. And shit, its not like no one in the entire US had ever heard of soccer at the time...
I follow fine....you are just being purposely ignorant apparently. No one did it that way, no one wanted to do it that way, maybe no one thought about trying it that way until the Gogolaks came along. The game of football was doing fine for a hundred years without doing it that way. When the Gogolaks came along then it started a trend. That is the way it is. There are a lot of things done in football now a certain way that were not done then. Like the helmets and pads. etc. Here, you can read all about it:
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Holy shit this is getting annoying...
I've repeatedly said I understand and agree that kicking used to not be like it is today, and that at one point it changed. I've agreed that no one from the US cared about soccer. I get that.
Kicking it soccer style is objectively better, agree?
If it is better there is a competitive edge gained, agree?
Coaches will do whatever they can to gain an edge, agree?
People from Europe, that knew the sport of soccer (and this method of kicking existed in the US. Also, some people from the US were probably at least aware of the sport. Correct?
My question is why it took so long to adopt this method of kicking. It seems like everything was in place, the knowledge was there, but no one thought it through until it was shoved in their face. Some coach back then could have had the foresight to make the change.
That is what I am saying. That is what I have been saying since the beginning. Please stop attacking straw men and posting old soccer video without any context.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Enough already!
PAT= 1 point
Field Goal= 3 points
A kickoff is a kickoff
Kicking is accomplished using one's foot.
Mike
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Your making this so much harder than it has to be(as usual).....it's not as if there was a conspiracy to avoid soccer style kickers..and I dont think coaches were actively seeking a new kicking style.....They were simply looking for kickers who could put it through the uprights....so, why would a coach decide(on his own) that some guy playing soccer in the UK has a better chance than a guy here who has been kicking a foorball his whole life?
nor do I think Soccer players were seeking to play in the NFL at the time......why?....probably cause they liked soccer better and had a better chance at higher earnings in their sport of choice.........so, why would a guy in England, who loves and gets paid to play soccer, suddenly decide to leave his home & country to go play a game he doesnt even like or understand....makes no sense,,,,(at all)
....like I said wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in the thread.....the change happened when coaches started recruiting soccer players in HS and College.....and it just evolved from there.....and as millions of kids started playing soccer here, the number of "soccer style kickers" in the USA grew by the millions too....making the pool of soccer style kicker the larger one(maybe by the late 70's or early 80's)....
Coaches dont really care "how" a player kicks.....they only care who kicks best.....and when soccer style kickers started showing up, they got the job.....simple....
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Holy shit this is getting annoying...
I've repeatedly said I understand and agree that kicking used to not be like it is today, and that at one point it changed. I've agreed that no one from the US cared about soccer. I get that.
Kicking it soccer style is objectively better, agree?
If it is better there is a competitive edge gained, agree?
Coaches will do whatever they can to gain an edge, agree?
People from Europe, that knew the sport of soccer (and this method of kicking existed in the US. Also, some people from the US were probably at least aware of the sport. Correct?
My question is why it took so long to adopt this method of kicking. It seems like everything was in place, the knowledge was there, but no one thought it through until it was shoved in their face. Some coach back then could have had the foresight to make the change.
That is what I am saying. That is what I have been saying since the beginning. Please stop attacking straw men and posting old soccer video without any context.
Holy shit this is getting annoying...
No, YOU are getting annoying.
I've repeatedly said I understand and agree that kicking used to not be like it is today, and that at one point it changed. I've agreed that no one from the US cared about soccer. I get that.
Then WHAT THE FUCK are we talking about? I am not even bothering with the rest of your post because it will only be more of your ignorance about the past.
I mean, its like you are asking: Why didn't US Grant just send the Air Force to bomb Richmond and win the Civil War?
Kicking it soccer style is objectively better, agree?
If it is better there is a competitive edge gained, agree?
Coaches will do whatever they can to gain an edge, agree?
People from Europe, that knew the sport of soccer (and this method of kicking existed in the US. Also, some people from the US were probably at least aware of the sport. Correct?
My question is why it took so long to adopt this method of kicking. It seems like everything was in place, the knowledge was there, but no one thought it through until it was shoved in their face. Some coach back then could have had the foresight to make the change.
That is what I am saying. That is what I have been saying since the beginning. Please stop attacking straw men and posting old soccer video without any context.
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