Preseason game one
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I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .That was my take too.....played a great game after the Garcon snafu(which was a miscommunication w/Gipson)....so, there's hope......
I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .
That'd be the one I was talking about, thanks. Couldn't find a clip.
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I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .That was my take too.....played a great game after the Garcon snafu(which was a miscommunication w/Gipson)....so, there's hope......
I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .
Whatever....I dont judge a whole game based upon one or 2 plays......
I could find a missed tackle or bad play on every guy out there......
Honestly....want to see bad play that stood out?....watch Orchard and Kruger against the run.....or our O line trying to block for Shaw and JFF....
Gilberts play was nowhere near as bad as some of these guys......seriously.....
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Kruger diving in for a tackle where he completely missed the guy was tragic. We were shocking against the outside run. Up the middle, No problems, but whenever they tried to bounce outside we had no contain.
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i didn't like our run D or O last night either BUT it is the first preseason game. 'coaches don't want to show you their cards' excuse is tiring for me. either you have it or you don't.
gilbert looked like a Retard dog. when he made a play he smiled and had his tongue sticking out. when he shit the bed he looked like he knew he was going to get beat. can't understand what is going on with that dude. smoking bath salts?
i didn't like our run D or O last night either BUT it is the first preseason game. 'coaches don't want to show you their cards' excuse is tiring for me. either you have it or you don't.
gilbert looked like a Retard dog. when he made a play he smiled and had his tongue sticking out. when he shit the bed he looked like he knew he was going to get beat. can't understand what is going on with that dude. smoking bath salts?
Gilbert didn't look good at all. Run D still weak. McCown looked good, as did JFF. But like everyone said, 1st preseason game.
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Kruger diving in for a tackle where he completely missed the guy was tragic. We were shocking against the outside run. Up the middle, No problems, but whenever they tried to bounce outside we had no contain.
Kruger diving in for a tackle where he completely missed the guy was tragic. We were shocking against the outside run. Up the middle, No problems, but whenever they tried to bounce outside we had no contain.
yeah it was....there was one run straight at Kruger where he stood there frozen, while Scott Solomon came all the way across the back field and tackled the runner from behind for no gain.....he was the only OLB I saw make a play.....
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I guess we saw two different things out there cause I didn't see that.. I thought he was late on breaks consistently and the fade routes he "defended" were terrible throws. I mean I hope I'm wrong but I just didn't see great game at all, I'm curious what you did see though that maybe I didn't.
I will say he did look good on the KR, but that's not quite why we drafted him 9th.
I haven't gone back and watched the all 22 yet(will do tonight), so "great" was probably a poor choice of word on my part......but he didnt play a bad game.....had lots of solid coverage and looked like he belonged to me...After that early screw up(by him "or" Gipson), I knew there would be people griping about him, so I did focus on his game as much as possible....and compared to the other DB's, I feel he played just as well or better....
He played virtually the whole game, which I believe, is because the coaches see his upside and(like me) want him in there....and, for the whole game, I dont remember hearing or seeing bad play........I do agree that he regularly trades bad play for great play, so we just gotta get him to be more consistent on the good side.....
Coach Pettine kind of suggested that the Garcon play could be on Gipson, as it was a read that the back had to make and they both made a different one......Gilbert let him go, thinking Gipson would pick him up.....and Gipson was either late or made diffrent read....
So, to me, thats what practice is for.....learning the reads and getting on the same page.....so that one play does not mean he played poorly(or even messed up, necessarily).....coulda been Gipson who screwed that up(maybe that coverage was one he missed in mini camp....who knows?).....
I haven't gone back and watched the all 22 yet(will do tonight), so "great" was probably a poor choice of word on my part......but he didnt play a bad game.....had lots of solid coverage and looked like he belonged to me...After that early screw up(by him "or" Gipson), I knew there would be people griping about him, so I did focus on his game as much as possible....and compared to the other DB's, I feel he played just as well or better....
He played virtually the whole game, which I believe, is because the coaches see his upside and(like me) want him in there....and, for the whole game, I dont remember hearing or seeing bad play........I do agree that he regularly trades bad play for great play, so we just gotta get him to be more consistent on the good side.....
Coach Pettine kind of suggested that the Garcon play could be on Gipson, as it was a read that the back had to make and they both made a different one......Gilbert let him go, thinking Gipson would pick him up.....and Gipson was either late or made diffrent read....
So, to me, thats what practice is for.....learning the reads and getting on the same page.....so that one play does not mean he played poorly(or even messed up, necessarily).....coulda been Gipson who screwed that up(maybe that coverage was one he missed in mini camp....who knows?).....
Yeah, I mean one busted play is what it is. I'm not groping too much on that although it obviously needs to be cleaned up. IDK man, I just saw in Gilbert was what I've seen from him since he's been here-a dude who clearly has the athletic ability to be on the field but just doesn't put it all together. As always though, I hope I'm wrong and I do know that CB is one of those positions that can take time. The good news though is at least all our eggs aren't in the Gilbert basket, there's obviously Haden and a ton of other guys who can fill in for the CB2 slot.
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I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .That was my take too.....played a great game after the Garcon snafu(which was a miscommunication w/Gipson)....so, there's hope......
I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .
That play to me looks like Gilbert was having some footing issues - saw a few slides by other players last night and am wondering if the field was a bit slick in spots.
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Kruger diving in for a tackle where he completely missed the guy was tragic. We were shocking against the outside run. Up the middle, No problems, but whenever they tried to bounce outside we had no contain.
yeah it was....there was one run straight at Kruger where he stood there frozen, while Scott Solomon came all the way across the back field and tackled the runner from behind for no gain.....he was the only OLB I saw make a play.....
yeah it was....there was one run straight at Kruger where he stood there frozen, while Scott Solomon came all the way across the back field and tackled the runner from behind for no gain.....he was the only OLB I saw make a play.....
only LB I saw make a play apart from Kirksey, once, I think.
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I haven't gone back and watched the all 22 yet(will do tonight), so "great" was probably a poor choice of word on my part......but he didnt play a bad game.....had lots of solid coverage and looked like he belonged to me...After that early screw up(by him "or" Gipson), I knew there would be people griping about him, so I did focus on his game as much as possible....and compared to the other DB's, I feel he played just as well or better....
He played virtually the whole game, which I believe, is because the coaches see his upside and(like me) want him in there....and, for the whole game, I dont remember hearing or seeing bad play........I do agree that he regularly trades bad play for great play, so we just gotta get him to be more consistent on the good side.....
Coach Pettine kind of suggested that the Garcon play could be on Gipson, as it was a read that the back had to make and they both made a different one......Gilbert let him go, thinking Gipson would pick him up.....and Gipson was either late or made diffrent read....
So, to me, thats what practice is for.....learning the reads and getting on the same page.....so that one play does not mean he played poorly(or even messed up, necessarily).....coulda been Gipson who screwed that up(maybe that coverage was one he missed in mini camp....who knows?).....
Yeah, I mean one busted play is what it is. I'm not groping too much on that although it obviously needs to be cleaned up. IDK man, I just saw in Gilbert was what I've seen from him since he's been here-a dude who clearly has the athletic ability to be on the field but just doesn't put it all together. As always though, I hope I'm wrong and I do know that CB is one of those positions that can take time. The good news though is at least all our eggs aren't in the Gilbert basket, there's obviously Haden and a ton of other guys who can fill in for the CB2 slot.
Yeah, I mean one busted play is what it is. I'm not groping too much on that although it obviously needs to be cleaned up. IDK man, I just saw in Gilbert was what I've seen from him since he's been here-a dude who clearly has the athletic ability to be on the field but just doesn't put it all together. As always though, I hope I'm wrong and I do know that CB is one of those positions that can take time. The good news though is at least all our eggs aren't in the Gilbert basket, there's obviously Haden and a ton of other guys who can fill in for the CB2 slot.
At this point Gilbert is at best #4 - behind Haden, T. Williams & Desir. K. Williams is ahead of him in the slot, too.
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I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .
Whatever....I dont judge a whole game based upon one or 2 plays......
I could find a missed tackle or bad play on every guy out there......
Honestly....want to see bad play that stood out?....watch Orchard and Kruger against the run.....or our O line trying to block for Shaw and JFF....
Gilberts play was nowhere near as bad as some of these guys......seriously.....
Whatever....I dont judge a whole game based upon one or 2 plays......
I could find a missed tackle or bad play on every guy out there......
Honestly....want to see bad play that stood out?....watch Orchard and Kruger against the run.....or our O line trying to block for Shaw and JFF....
Gilberts play was nowhere near as bad as some of these guys......seriously.....
Gilbert had two real bad plays last night, but he also had a few good ones. IMO, Cousins was targeting Gilbert and he rose to the occasion. Our second & third string O line looked really bad. I thought Thad would leave the game on a stretcher.
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I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .
That play to me looks like Gilbert was having some footing issues - saw a few slides by other players last night and am wondering if the field was a bit slick in spots.
That play to me looks like Gilbert was having some footing issues - saw a few slides by other players last night and am wondering if the field was a bit slick in spots.
He should of at least knocked the receiver out of bounds if he couldn't make the tackle. Gilbert is athletically gifted, it's what he has between his ears that's concerning.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
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It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
you say don't overreact but that's exactly what you did in your post.
gilbert is not a bust. the kid needs time, just like manziel, and i thought he was the bust.
shows you how much a fan knows.....
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That play to me looks like Gilbert was having some footing issues - saw a few slides by other players last night and am wondering if the field was a bit slick in spots.
He should of at least knocked the receiver out of bounds if he couldn't make the tackle. Gilbert is athletically gifted, it's what he has between his ears that's concerning.
He should of at least knocked the receiver out of bounds if he couldn't make the tackle. Gilbert is athletically gifted, it's what he has between his ears that's concerning.
That's what scares me. Not grasping the playbook, getting the nuances of the position - sure, I can get that. But, the receiver catches the ball by the side line and the first instinct isn't to just knock him out of bounds? That worries me. I mean, he overplayed and gave up the inside leverage, so the receiver could spin him, but he still needs to make that tackle.
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re-watching the telecast now (as of 1 am last night i was pretty snockered).
am i the only that thinks our special teams coach tabor is insane? dude looks like he just did an eight ball and left the hustler club before joining the team on the sidelines....
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I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .
Whatever....I dont judge a whole game based upon one or 2 plays......
I could find a missed tackle or bad play on every guy out there......
Honestly....want to see bad play that stood out?....watch Orchard and Kruger against the run.....or our O line trying to block for Shaw and JFF....
Gilberts play was nowhere near as bad as some of these guys......seriously.....
Whatever....I dont judge a whole game based upon one or 2 plays......
I could find a missed tackle or bad play on every guy out there......
Honestly....want to see bad play that stood out?....watch Orchard and Kruger against the run.....or our O line trying to block for Shaw and JFF....
Gilberts play was nowhere near as bad as some of these guys......seriously.....
We passed on some serious talent for Justin Gilbert.
If you want to say you can't judge a guy on 1 or 2 plays you're missing the point.
He's soft, he can't tackle, and he shows ZERO effort at times. It's very concerning
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It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
you say don't overreact but that's exactly what you did in your post.
gilbert is not a bust. the kid needs time, just like manziel, and i thought he was the bust.
shows you how much a fan knows.....
you say don't overreact but that's exactly what you did in your post.
gilbert is not a bust. the kid needs time, just like manziel, and i thought he was the bust.
shows you how much a fan knows.....
I didn't overreact I only made some observations. Things can change. It's ONLY an observation based
on a scrimmage. IMO Gilbert being a top ten pick should be better NOW not later. He is running behind
Desir a late round pick and behind Williams a UFA. He has time but he needs to pick it up . He LOOKS like
a bust but not necessarily IS a bust yet.
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I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
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Pro's -
McCown
Manziel
Shelton
Kirksey
Cooper
Bibbs
Hartline
Cons -
Gilbert
Housler
Erving struggled quite a bit but I'd expect that from a rookie on the outside
Thad Lewis
The RB's
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I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
Good summary.
Some plays that come to mind were Shelton & Cooper. Those two will give offensive coordinators fits this year. Shelton's play reminds me of Suh, a big push up the middle. Cooper's first step is very quick, I can see him making some hits in the backfield.
I can say I've always liked the play from Brian Hartline, he reminds me of a Brian Brennan or Joe Jureviscious. He's no bolt of lightning, but he catches anything thrown his way and he will help move the sticks.
McCown was a pleasant surprise, he looked better than I expected. JM looked more comfortable in the pocket, but what scares me is he was also our leading rusher.
There were some highlights & lowlights last night, but I'm not going panic. It was the first preseason game of the year, nothing more nothing less.
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