Jonathan Paul Manziel
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They made him do lots of play action and rollouts despite the fact that we weren't running the ball, which is totally cool. I think they want him to execute the footwork and fundamentals and they know that when the 1st OL is in the run game will be fine.
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Just HORRIBLE!
7 for 11?!?!? and 0 TD passes.
Missed 4 passes. Inexcusable.
Is this sarcasm?
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Just HORRIBLE!
7 for 11?!?!? and 0 TD passes.
Missed 4 passes. Inexcusable.
Is this sarcasm?
Is this sarcasm?
I was gonna answer that it obviously was, then I remembered you're smart and now I'm assuming your question is sarcasm also. Or would that be irony?
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Just HORRIBLE!
7 for 11?!?!? and 0 TD passes.
Missed 4 passes. Inexcusable.
Is this sarcasm?
Is this sarcasm?
I thought it was cheese.....
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Just HORRIBLE!
7 for 11?!?!? and 0 TD passes.
Missed 4 passes. Inexcusable.
Is this sarcasm?
Is this sarcasm?
he shoulda posted it with font color pink.
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Not to rain on the parade here, he did look sharper ... but he still plays "small" to me, I don't see him making any big time throws. He's playing a lot smarter, but I want to see that big time NFL arm where he can rifle balls in small spaces without much windup or deliberation. McCown has that big-time arm, I think that is why he keeps getting chances.
I imagine the fourth preseason game, McCown will sit and Manziel will play the whole game and that's really where we get a chance to see if he can make all the throws, he failed that test last year, it's critical to whether he is starter material or another, smaller, Colt McCoy.
I do love his no nonsense attitude this year and I'm pulling for him.
Zombo
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McCown certainly looked better....
Yesterdays TD and the one he threw in the scrimmage were both rockets thrown while on the run.....really really nice plays!
I like what I see there, so far......a lot!
I also like the progress JFF is making....it's encouraging.....but he has a ways to go and the perfect situation(with McCown) to get there in time.....
The best part is that....compared to last year.....we have a guy who has stepped up, taken the job and(so far) looks like he deserves it!
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Not to rain on the parade here, he did look sharper ... but he still plays "small" to me, I don't see him making any big time throws. He's playing a lot smarter, but I want to see that big time NFL arm where he can rifle balls in small spaces without much windup or deliberation. McCown has that big-time arm, I think that is why he keeps getting chances.
I imagine the fourth preseason game, McCown will sit and Manziel will play the whole game and that's really where we get a chance to see if he can make all the throws, he failed that test last year, it's critical to whether he is starter material or another, smaller, Colt McCoy.
I do love his no nonsense attitude this year and I'm pulling for him.
Zombo
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Not to rain on the parade here, he did look sharper ... but he still plays "small" to me, I don't see him making any big time throws. He's playing a lot smarter, but I want to see that big time NFL arm where he can rifle balls in small spaces without much windup or deliberation. McCown has that big-time arm, I think that is why he keeps getting chances.
I imagine the fourth preseason game, McCown will sit and Manziel will play the whole game and that's really where we get a chance to see if he can make all the throws, he failed that test last year, it's critical to whether he is starter material or another, smaller, Colt McCoy.
I do love his no nonsense attitude this year and I'm pulling for him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Not to rain on the parade here, he did look sharper ... but he still plays "small" to me, I don't see him making any big time throws. He's playing a lot smarter, but I want to see that big time NFL arm where he can rifle balls in small spaces without much windup or deliberation. McCown has that big-time arm, I think that is why he keeps getting chances.
I imagine the fourth preseason game, McCown will sit and Manziel will play the whole game and that's really where we get a chance to see if he can make all the throws, he failed that test last year, it's critical to whether he is starter material or another, smaller, Colt McCoy.
I do love his no nonsense attitude this year and I'm pulling for him.
Zombo
I was at the game.. I saw him make way too many late throws and he hung his WR's out to dry on just about every play.. I wish people would quit ball washing this kid's nut sack.. He blows dognuts.
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Is this sarcasm?
I was gonna answer that it obviously was, then I remembered you're smart and now I'm assuming your question is sarcasm also. Or would that be irony?
I was gonna answer that it obviously was, then I remembered you're smart and now I'm assuming your question is sarcasm also. Or would that be irony?
It's too exhausting to keep up with the Manzealots and the naysayers anymore.
The fact that a comment like his was hard for me to decipher shows how truly stupid some takes have been on this site in regards to Manziel.
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Zombo said:
Not to rain on the parade here, he did look sharper ... but he still plays "small" to me, I don't see him making any big time throws. He's playing a lot smarter, but I want to see that big time NFL arm where he can rifle balls in small spaces without much windup or deliberation. McCown has that big-time arm, I think that is why he keeps getting chances.
I imagine the fourth preseason game, McCown will sit and Manziel will play the whole game and that's really where we get a chance to see if he can make all the throws, he failed that test last year, it's critical to whether he is starter material or another, smaller, Colt McCoy.
I do love his no nonsense attitude this year and I'm pulling for him.
Zombo
I was at the game.. I saw him make way too many late throws and he hung his WR's out to dry on just about every play.. I wish people would quit ball washing this kid's nut sack.. He blows dognuts.
I was at the game.. I saw him make way too many late throws and he hung his WR's out to dry on just about every play.. I wish people would quit ball washing this kid's nut sack.. He blows dognuts.
Ya, I was trying to be polite and not incite the fanbois, but I'm not seeing those big time NFL throws yet, he seems under-armed for a starting role.
Z
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I was at the game.. I saw him make way too many late throws and he hung his WR's out to dry on just about every play.. I wish people would quit ball washing this kid's nut sack.. He blows dognuts.
Ya, I was trying to be polite and not incite the fanbois, but I'm not seeing those big time NFL throws yet, he seems under-armed for a starting role.
Z
Zombo said:
Ya, I was trying to be polite and not incite the fanbois, but I'm not seeing those big time NFL throws yet, he seems under-armed for a starting role.
Z
.. I'm totally with ya.. I couldn't give 2 shits about the little homo fanbois... They can keep slobbering all they want.. Trust Me when I tell ya.. Manziel will be out of football in 2 years , selling pantyhose to his little fanboi friends.
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Zombo, I'm with you. I'm looking forward to the 20 yard outs and the deep ball throws he threw so well for the Ags. It seemed like he was under constant pressure last night and didn't have time to make those throws, but without seeing the all-22, it's hard to know if he was missing open guys down field.
Two plays I liked to see were when he avoided pressure by rolling right, then threw to an open receiver a couple yards short of the first down. The second, two guys came free blitzing and he immediately recognized it and hit his hot receiver for about 6 yards.
He just didn't look so overwhelmed, like he did last year. It was a very good showing for Johnny, I thought. Baby steps, but progress.
And I love seeing the way he and McCown interact. I think that relationship, and the fact that Josh looks so good, works to take pressure off Johnny, which is perfect.
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Zombo said:
Ya, I was trying to be polite and not incite the fanbois, but I'm not seeing those big time NFL throws yet, he seems under-armed for a starting role.
Z
.. I'm totally with ya.. I couldn't give 2 shits about the little homo fanbois... They can keep slobbering all they want.. Trust Me when I tell ya.. Manziel will be out of football in 2 years , selling pantyhose to his little fanboi friends.
.. I'm totally with ya.. I couldn't give 2 shits about the little homo fanbois... They can keep slobbering all they want.. Trust Me when I tell ya.. Manziel will be out of football in 2 years , selling pantyhose to his little fanboi friends.
I would bet all I own that Johnny is not out of football in two years.
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Zombo said:
Ya, I was trying to be polite and not incite the fanbois, but I'm not seeing those big time NFL throws yet, he seems under-armed for a starting role.
Z
.. I'm totally with ya.. I couldn't give 2 shits about the little homo fanbois... They can keep slobbering all they want.. Trust Me when I tell ya.. Manziel will be out of football in 2 years , selling pantyhose to his little fanboi friends.
.. I'm totally with ya.. I couldn't give 2 shits about the little homo fanbois... They can keep slobbering all they want.. Trust Me when I tell ya.. Manziel will be out of football in 2 years , selling pantyhose to his little fanboi friends.
And you're so right about everything else all of the time.
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.. I'm totally with ya.. I couldn't give 2 shits about the little homo fanbois... They can keep slobbering all they want.. Trust Me when I tell ya.. Manziel will be out of football in 2 years , selling pantyhose to his little fanboi friends.
And you're so right about everything else all of the time.
And you're so right about everything else all of the time.
Absofucking-lutely!
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Zombo, I'm with you. I'm looking forward to the 20 yard outs and the deep ball throws he threw so well for the Ags. It seemed like he was under constant pressure last night and didn't have time to make those throws, but without seeing the all-22, it's hard to know if he was missing open guys down field.
Two plays I liked to see were when he avoided pressure by rolling right, then threw to an open receiver a couple yards short of the first down. The second, two guys came free blitzing and he immediately recognized it and hit his hot receiver for about 6 yards.
He just didn't look so overwhelmed, like he did last year. It was a very good showing for Johnny, I thought. Baby steps, but progress.
And I love seeing the way he and McCown interact. I think that relationship, and the fact that Josh looks so good, works to take pressure off Johnny, which is perfect.
Zombo, I'm with you. I'm looking forward to the 20 yard outs and the deep ball throws he threw so well for the Ags. It seemed like he was under constant pressure last night and didn't have time to make those throws, but without seeing the all-22, it's hard to know if he was missing open guys down field.
Two plays I liked to see were when he avoided pressure by rolling right, then threw to an open receiver a couple yards short of the first down. The second, two guys came free blitzing and he immediately recognized it and hit his hot receiver for about 6 yards.
He just didn't look so overwhelmed, like he did last year. It was a very good showing for Johnny, I thought. Baby steps, but progress.
Nice, objective conclusion, Ag... now about those data points...
The hot read was a high point, however, pressure that produced the first roll right was a bit phantom-ish. The subsequent throw to West was back towards the middle of the field and made me gasp, but it was completed. Dissect the play and there's no sign the size of the blitz or it's direction was recognized. The escape route was between the LG and LT doubling as a throwing lane to Bibbs curling about 2 yards past the 1st-down marker.
The 2nd roll-right producing pressure was completely phantom. I honestly think the issue then was he could not see Hartline over the line. Sprint a bit right and clear and the ball was rifled for a first... nice play, but no pressure.
The time he was flushed left and threw it away was a sign of maturity. It might have been the result of some coaching up after the earlier throw to West...
By far his most dangerous throw was the middle curl towards Housler to start our last possession. It was late. The throw appeared to be delayed once again by a lack of a sight line.
Crawl before you walk, walk before...
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Its Preseason. At some point (1st qrt. with guaranteed ? D 1's) we have to alternate Josh & Johnny per procession with our 1's OL to see what we got now in JM. Nobody is setting their feet with our OL 2's. Coaches may already have answered that question at practice?
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Tour, rewatching those plays.
I have to disagree on the first scramble. It wasn't phantom pressure. A late block upended a middle blitz, and 55 was about to destroy Johnny. I agree he might have been able to get it to Hartline, but he would've taken a huge hit after release.
The second was a bit phantom, but the pocket was starting to give way up the middle. I agree in general that he tends to take off too soon, but with him, that can lead to huge plays.
One thing that still looks good, though is his accuracy, even on the run. He puts it where the receiver can run with it.
The biggest mistake was when he stared down the receiver and the ball got batted down. Hopefully he starts to use his eyes better.
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Tour, rewatching those plays.
I have to disagree on the first scramble. It wasn't phantom pressure. A late block upended a middle blitz, and 55 was about to destroy Johnny. I agree he might have been able to get it to Hartline, but he would've taken a huge hit after release.
The second was a bit phantom, but the pocket was starting to give way up the middle. I agree in general that he tends to take off too soon, but with him, that can lead to huge plays.
One thing that still looks good, though is his accuracy, even on the run. He puts it where the receiver can run with it.
The biggest mistake was when he stared down the receiver and the ball got batted down. Hopefully he starts to use his eyes better.
Tour, rewatching those plays.
I have to disagree on the first scramble. It wasn't phantom pressure. A late block upended a middle blitz, and 55 was about to destroy Johnny. I agree he might have been able to get it to Hartline, but he would've taken a huge hit after release.
The second was a bit phantom, but the pocket was starting to give way up the middle. I agree in general that he tends to take off too soon, but with him, that can lead to huge plays.
One thing that still looks good, though is his accuracy, even on the run. He puts it where the receiver can run with it.
The biggest mistake was when he stared down the receiver and the ball got batted down. Hopefully he starts to use his eyes better.
Such is the life of a QB, there are times when you'll have to stand tall in the face of pressure and make a throw knowing you might get hit.
It's a double edge sword with taking off early. He will get tracked down by ends and backers not trying to push up field. Defenses won't look to push the pocket so much as just putting a fence up and waiting for Johnny to come to them.
Overall what I saw last night I expected last year. So by this time next year with continued emphasis on improvement I'd expect to see a near starting caliber QB.
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