Which receivers make this team?
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One thing to watch with Lenz is injuries. With Bears and Colts he was active till injury, rehabbed then got stuck on practice squads. But we don't have Colts or Bears WR's depth chart at the time Lenz was there. Time for this kid to play a full season, he has talent to help this team. I love annoying nats driving CB's nuts than burn them deep..
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Lenz just reminds me of those fleas that Brady always has on his roster. Can get open with his quickness and turn up the speed after the catch. They get very annoying to other teams' defenses.
We have two of those. They're just not white.
We have two of those. They're just not white.
Exactly. I like Lenz, but he's have to be taking a roster spot from Hawk or Gabriel rather than Mayle or Pryor... and I dont see that happening.
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Lenz was given a new uni # today....bumped from 7 to 17.....
doubt that it means anything.....but kinda odd, eh?....
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Well.....Wr is really unfolding as a wide open competition....and a very difficult set of decisions for the staff....
looks like Benji has really stepped up so far....kudos to you guys who stood with him, as I had him outta here...
Hartline also has really shown up the past week or 2 and has totally convinced me he isnt the next Nate Burleson....but maybe the next Joe Jurevicius instead....
We have several UDFA/FA signings who are making waves.....Lenz, Jennings and Wynn have all flashed....
While a couple guys we were counting on(Housler, Bowe and Mayle) have struggled with drops(and injury)....
Pryor?.....a sensational week, yes....but he needs to get back on the field.......soon.....
And Marlon Moore.....showed why weve kept him to this point.....forced fumble on ST......too good to let go?
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Still early... time to sort things out, but you can see the battles taking shape.
I think these three are solid: Bowe, Hartline, Pryor
I think these four have the inside track: Benji, Gabe, Hawk, Mayle...
... but there likely aren't 4 more spots.
Oddly I ended up with more questions on Benji after last nite's game...
Like I wrote in my game review I think he has made himself into a good WR and now runs underneath stuff well, but I do not understand why underneath success has not fed his deep routes. Too much respect for his deep speed? Or does he tip his deep routes?
Plus there are still lingering 50/50 ball questions...
I think Jennings complicated things last nite. Couple nice receptions with a kick off return cherry on top. Loved his patience setting up Johnson's key block. His problem is he is too Gabe-like... except he's a step slower... maybe a half-step... He may be my top PS candidate from the WR position.
I want to see Wynn return a punt, but he's another Gabe/Jennings size-wise.
Hawk and Lenz seem to be vying for the same possession-WR spot. Experience vs. youth???
I'd lose no sleep cutting Moore.
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Still early... time to sort things out, but you can see the battles taking shape.
I think these three are solid: Bowe, Hartline, Pryor
I think these four have the inside track: Benji, Gabe, Hawk, Mayle...
... but there likely aren't 4 more spots.
Oddly I ended up with more questions on Benji after last nite's game...
Like I wrote in my game review I think he has made himself into a good WR and now runs underneath stuff well, but I do not understand why underneath success has not fed his deep routes. Too much respect for his deep speed? Or does he tip his deep routes?
Plus there are still lingering 50/50 ball questions...
I think Jennings complicated things last nite. Couple nice receptions with a kick off return cherry on top. Loved his patience setting up Johnson's key block. His problem is he is too Gabe-like... except he's a step slower... maybe a half-step... He may be my top PS candidate from the WR position.
I want to see Wynn return a punt, but he's another Gabe/Jennings size-wise.
Hawk and Lenz seem to be vying for the same possession-WR spot. Experience vs. youth???
I'd lose no sleep cutting Moore.
Still early... time to sort things out, but you can see the battles taking shape.
I think these three are solid: Bowe, Hartline, Pryor
I think these four have the inside track: Benji, Gabe, Hawk, Mayle...
... but there likely aren't 4 more spots.
Oddly I ended up with more questions on Benji after last nite's game...
Like I wrote in my game review I think he has made himself into a good WR and now runs underneath stuff well, but I do not understand why underneath success has not fed his deep routes. Too much respect for his deep speed? Or does he tip his deep routes?
Plus there are still lingering 50/50 ball questions...
I think Jennings complicated things last nite. Couple nice receptions with a kick off return cherry on top. Loved his patience setting up Johnson's key block. His problem is he is too Gabe-like... except he's a step slower... maybe a half-step... He may be my top PS candidate from the WR position.
I want to see Wynn return a punt, but he's another Gabe/Jennings size-wise.
Hawk and Lenz seem to be vying for the same possession-WR spot. Experience vs. youth???
I'd lose no sleep cutting Moore.
Wait ... are you insinuating that Hawk's job is on the line?
No.
No, no, no.
Farmer went out and got him last year, and if anything, he exceeded expectations. Guy is a fixture in our offense.
Pryor is on solid ground but Hawk only has an inside track?
You didn't think you were going to slip that past us did you?
Zombo
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Slip by??? Moi??? Hang with me a sec...
I think there's a fascination factor with Pryor that gets him to the 53. I am not saying he is our #3 WR, just saying he's the 3rd lock I see as of now.
Last year Austin and Hawk were our starting WRs. Who are our starting two WRs for 2015? I think you may agree it's Bowe and Hart. If you do, then already Hawk, our top WR from a year ago, is #3 at best.
Who is the third WR? Another possession receiver, like Hart, or something we've yet to put on the field, a true burner? I think the latter and two candidates emerge, Benji and Gabe. Of these two Gabe is the one that seems to be able to get deep.
If I am right, then we are now considering who is our #4 WR. Maybe that does go to a 29-yo veteran who had more starts and nearly as many yards in 2014 than he had in his previous 3 years in the league. Or maybe it goes to a younger candidate. Not saying it'll happen, but it's possible.
None of my top seven would make it to the PS even if eligible. Of my top seven Hawk and Benji stand out both as exposed and having decent trade value. Hawk has more to my mind. Personally I think it's Benji that's still more likely to depart, but it could hinge on who is the more highly regarded locker-room guy.
But it is still early. Still time for one of the kids to continue to impress and make the decisions even harder.
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Slip by??? Moi??? Hang with me a sec...
I think there's a fascination factor with Pryor that gets him to the 53. I am not saying he is our #3 WR, just saying he's the 3rd lock I see as of now.
Last year Austin and Hawk were our starting WRs. Who are our starting two WRs for 2015? I think you may agree it's Bowe and Hart. If you do, then already Hawk, our top WR from a year ago, is #3 at best.
Who is the third WR? Another possession receiver, like Hart, or something we've yet to put on the field, a true burner? I think the latter and two candidates emerge, Benji and Gabe. Of these two Gabe is the one that seems to be able to get deep.
If I am right, then we are now considering who is our #4 WR. Maybe that does go to a 29-yo veteran who had more starts and nearly as many yards in 2014 than he had in his previous 3 years in the league. Or maybe it goes to a younger candidate. Not saying it'll happen, but it's possible.
None of my top seven would make it to the PS even if eligible. Of my top seven Hawk and Benji stand out both as exposed and having decent trade value. Hawk has more to my mind. Personally I think it's Benji that's still more likely to depart, but it could hinge on who is the more highly regarded locker-room guy.
But it is still early. Still time for one of the kids to continue to impress and make the decisions even harder.
Slip by??? Moi??? Hang with me a sec...
I think there's a fascination factor with Pryor that gets him to the 53. I am not saying he is our #3 WR, just saying he's the 3rd lock I see as of now.
Last year Austin and Hawk were our starting WRs. Who are our starting two WRs for 2015? I think you may agree it's Bowe and Hart. If you do, then already Hawk, our top WR from a year ago, is #3 at best.
Who is the third WR? Another possession receiver, like Hart, or something we've yet to put on the field, a true burner? I think the latter and two candidates emerge, Benji and Gabe. Of these two Gabe is the one that seems to be able to get deep.
If I am right, then we are now considering who is our #4 WR. Maybe that does go to a 29-yo veteran who had more starts and nearly as many yards in 2014 than he had in his previous 3 years in the league. Or maybe it goes to a younger candidate. Not saying it'll happen, but it's possible.
None of my top seven would make it to the PS even if eligible. Of my top seven Hawk and Benji stand out both as exposed and having decent trade value. Hawk has more to my mind. Personally I think it's Benji that's still more likely to depart, but it could hinge on who is the more highly regarded locker-room guy.
But it is still early. Still time for one of the kids to continue to impress and make the decisions even harder.
Bowe and Hawkins are the locks beyond locks.
Hartline is the 3rd receiver and Gabriel the 4th.
Vince Mayle has a roster spot.
So do you keep Benji who has production and special teams value, and is the only real "burner", or do you keep Pryor, who can be third QB and a hybrid, all-around playmaker ... or do you keep 7? Those are the questions.
Hawk ... not a question.
Zombo
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Gotta agree with Zombo. Hawkins is our best skill player on offense and it ain't close yet. If the public perception of him was even half as good as he actually is then I MIGHT consider trading him but since he's so underrated, we would only be hurting ourselves.
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Slip by??? Moi??? Hang with me a sec...
I think there's a fascination factor with Pryor that gets him to the 53. I am not saying he is our #3 WR, just saying he's the 3rd lock I see as of now.
Last year Austin and Hawk were our starting WRs. Who are our starting two WRs for 2015? I think you may agree it's Bowe and Hart. If you do, then already Hawk, our top WR from a year ago, is #3 at best.
Who is the third WR? Another possession receiver, like Hart, or something we've yet to put on the field, a true burner? I think the latter and two candidates emerge, Benji and Gabe. Of these two Gabe is the one that seems to be able to get deep.
If I am right, then we are now considering who is our #4 WR. Maybe that does go to a 29-yo veteran who had more starts and nearly as many yards in 2014 than he had in his previous 3 years in the league. Or maybe it goes to a younger candidate. Not saying it'll happen, but it's possible.
None of my top seven would make it to the PS even if eligible. Of my top seven Hawk and Benji stand out both as exposed and having decent trade value. Hawk has more to my mind. Personally I think it's Benji that's still more likely to depart, but it could hinge on who is the more highly regarded locker-room guy.
But it is still early. Still time for one of the kids to continue to impress and make the decisions even harder.
Bowe and Hawkins are the locks beyond locks.
Hartline is the 3rd receiver and Gabriel the 4th.
Vince Mayle has a roster spot.
So do you keep Benji who has production and special teams value, and is the only real "burner", or do you keep Pryor, who can be third QB and a hybrid, all-around playmaker ... or do you keep 7? Those are the questions.
Hawk ... not a question.
Zombo
Hawk is not a question. Mayle having a roster spot? Definitely a question in my mind.Zombo said:
Bowe and Hawkins are the locks beyond locks.
Hartline is the 3rd receiver and Gabriel the 4th.
Vince Mayle has a roster spot.
So do you keep Benji who has production and special teams value, and is the only real "burner", or do you keep Pryor, who can be third QB and a hybrid, all-around playmaker ... or do you keep 7? Those are the questions.
Hawk ... not a question.
Zombo
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Hawk is not a question. Mayle having a roster spot? Definitely a question in my mind.Zombo said:
Bowe and Hawkins are the locks beyond locks.
Hartline is the 3rd receiver and Gabriel the 4th.
Vince Mayle has a roster spot.
So do you keep Benji who has production and special teams value, and is the only real "burner", or do you keep Pryor, who can be third QB and a hybrid, all-around playmaker ... or do you keep 7? Those are the questions.
Hawk ... not a question.
Zombo
Hawk is not a question. Mayle having a roster spot? Definitely a question in my mind.
4th round pick, and reports are that he is coming on in camp. He either makes the roster or comes up "injured", they are not exposing him to the rest of the league.
Zombo
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Slip by??? Moi??? Hang with me a sec...
I think there's a fascination factor with Pryor that gets him to the 53. I am not saying he is our #3 WR, just saying he's the 3rd lock I see as of now.
Last year Austin and Hawk were our starting WRs. Who are our starting two WRs for 2015? I think you may agree it's Bowe and Hart. If you do, then already Hawk, our top WR from a year ago, is #3 at best.
Who is the third WR? Another possession receiver, like Hart, or something we've yet to put on the field, a true burner? I think the latter and two candidates emerge, Benji and Gabe. Of these two Gabe is the one that seems to be able to get deep.
If I am right, then we are now considering who is our #4 WR. Maybe that does go to a 29-yo veteran who had more starts and nearly as many yards in 2014 than he had in his previous 3 years in the league. Or maybe it goes to a younger candidate. Not saying it'll happen, but it's possible.
None of my top seven would make it to the PS even if eligible. Of my top seven Hawk and Benji stand out both as exposed and having decent trade value. Hawk has more to my mind. Personally I think it's Benji that's still more likely to depart, but it could hinge on who is the more highly regarded locker-room guy.
But it is still early. Still time for one of the kids to continue to impress and make the decisions even harder.
Bowe and Hawkins are the locks beyond locks.
Hartline is the 3rd receiver and Gabriel the 4th.
Vince Mayle has a roster spot.
So do you keep Benji who has production and special teams value, and is the only real "burner", or do you keep Pryor, who can be third QB and a hybrid, all-around playmaker ... or do you keep 7? Those are the questions.
Hawk ... not a question.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Bowe and Hawkins are the locks beyond locks.
Hartline is the 3rd receiver and Gabriel the 4th.
Vince Mayle has a roster spot.
So Bowe and Hawk are your starters. May well be, but not hearing a lot of chemistry talk about McCown and Hawk.
Gotta agree with Zombo. Hawkins is our best skill player on offense and it ain't close yet. If the public perception of him was even half as good as he actually is then I MIGHT consider trading him but since he's so underrated, we would only be hurting ourselves.
I was not aware that the public sets trade values...
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Zombo said:
Bowe and Hawkins are the locks beyond locks.
Hartline is the 3rd receiver and Gabriel the 4th.
Vince Mayle has a roster spot.
So Bowe and Hawk are your starters. May well be, but not hearing a lot of chemistry talk about McCown and Hawk.
Gotta agree with Zombo. Hawkins is our best skill player on offense and it ain't close yet. If the public perception of him was even half as good as he actually is then I MIGHT consider trading him but since he's so underrated, we would only be hurting ourselves.
I was not aware that the public sets trade values...
So Bowe and Hawk are your starters. May well be, but not hearing a lot of chemistry talk about McCown and Hawk.
You may have your ear closer to the ground than I do, but I certainly envision Bowe on one side, Hawkins on the other, and then moving inside when Hartline comes in on passing downs. I'm over-simplifying, but those are my top 3 receivers, it would surprise me if it is any different, although Gabe and Benji should get some balls.
If they want Pryor on the roster, someone (Mayle) will come up injured or there is a surprise cut (Benji) ... not the Hawk. Browns love that guy, I'm sure McCown will too.
Zombo
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Well.....Wr is really unfolding as a wide open competition....and a very difficult set of decisions for the staff....
looks like Benji has really stepped up so far....kudos to you guys who stood with him, as I had him outta here...
Hartline also has really shown up the past week or 2 and has totally convinced me he isnt the next Nate Burleson....but maybe the next Joe Jurevicius instead....
We have several UDFA/FA signings who are making waves.....Lenz, Jennings and Wynn have all flashed....
While a couple guys we were counting on(Housler, Bowe and Mayle) have struggled with drops(and injury)....
Pryor?.....a sensational week, yes....but he needs to get back on the field.......soon.....
And Marlon Moore.....showed why weve kept him to this point.....forced fumble on ST......too good to let go?
Well.....Wr is really unfolding as a wide open competition....and a very difficult set of decisions for the staff....
looks like Benji has really stepped up so far....kudos to you guys who stood with him, as I had him outta here...
Hartline also has really shown up the past week or 2 and has totally convinced me he isnt the next Nate Burleson....but maybe the next Joe Jurevicius instead....
We have several UDFA/FA signings who are making waves.....Lenz, Jennings and Wynn have all flashed....
While a couple guys we were counting on(Housler, Bowe and Mayle) have struggled with drops(and injury)....
Pryor?.....a sensational week, yes....but he needs to get back on the field.......soon.....
And Marlon Moore.....showed why weve kept him to this point.....forced fumble on ST......too good to let go?
It would seem strange if we cut the absolute best version of Travis Benjamin this franchise has invested so much time in training up to be reliable for situational football. He now can run every route in the passing tree, lead us in 17.4 yards per catch in 2014,lead us in TD receptions despite part time duty (meaning he's reliable and CATCHES the ball which is refreshing on this franchise). My favorite change is what we saw on the TD reception - an experienced/trained vet adjusted to a coverage leverage and made a clutch catch in the red zone.
He's also going to return punts again, which was the very first impression Mike Pettine had of him (while coaching Buffalo) returning a punt for a score in a game we erased a deficit without our starting QB. It's 2 years post surgery, so I doubt we have to keep playing Russian Roulette with that like we had to last year.
What makes this tough for us fans is we don't see who the coaches are seeing every day in practice and again in the film room. Guys nursing bad hammies are allowing guys like Benjamin and Mayle to make a serious run at making this football team. When Pettine announces he likes to see hard work rewarded by good performance - that hasn't been exclusive to Manziel. He's talking a lot of Benjamin and I guarantee his night vrs Washington didn't hurt that whatsoever.
Here's my 6 this week:
Hartline: leaving us no choice but feeling like he is needed
Bowe: FA commitment with a bad hammy
Pryor: Early buzz of training camp sentenced to a bad hammy
Hawk: Great job last year and continues to sport a bust tail work ethic
Gabriel: Same goodies as Hawk with 17.3 yards per catch from the undrafted rookie who caught seemingly everything
Benjamin: Exactly why you invest time training a guy who responds to coaching. Elite speed, reliable hands, and a STs threat.
What if somebody isn't who we thought he'd be? The 30 year old Bowe (already dealing with a hammy issue) is coming off only 60 rec for 754 yards and 0 TDs on a 9-7 football team. The year before that he only had 57 rec for 673 yards and just 5 TDs in 15 games. Are we looking at the same Dwayne Bowe we used to want on our fantasy football rosters? If yes, that's good. If not - somebody with best football ahead is getting cut, IR'd or stashed on the PS as temporary as Charles Johnson was.
Overall, this sudden WR depth is a good problem to have if we don't end up getting burned keeping someone that can't stay healthy in lieu of someone that has been stepping for those that aren't healthy right now.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
yeah i don't see the browns not trying to keep mayle. he's got gordon size and hopefully will show the org. why they drafted him. pryor is interesting but if he doesn't blow them away with some type of performance, he'll be on the outside looking in. i mean in a perfect world we could keep them all but............
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