Jonathan Paul Manziel
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How does a tender elbowed QB ever hope to survive the reps an NFL starter takes week in and week out?
Kind of the way 20 game winners survive overuse in the playoffs/world series. They take care of their arms between games. You know. Things like icing them down, multiple new therapies, etc.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
Kind of the way 20 game winners survive overuse in the playoffs/world series. They take care of their arms between games. You know. Things like icing them down, multiple new therapies, etc.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
C'mon man. This is serious, regardless of what the Browns are saying. There isn't any QB in the league that needs game experience more than Johnny and they're shutting him down? Over a week's rest?
This ain't baseball. This ain't good.
Zombo
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Kind of the way 20 game winners survive overuse in the playoffs/world series. They take care of their arms between games. You know. Things like icing them down, multiple new therapies, etc.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
C'mon man. This is serious, regardless of what the Browns are saying. There isn't any QB in the league that needs game experience more than Johnny and they're shutting him down? Over a week's rest?
This ain't baseball. This ain't good.
Zombo
Zombo said:
C'mon man. This is serious, regardless of what the Browns are saying. There isn't any QB in the league that needs gam eexperience more than Johnny and they're shutting him down? Over a week's rest?
This ain't baseball. This ain't good.
Zombo
Pettine says it is not worth the risk for a "preseason" game. I tend to go with the HC on this one. Line up with the other chicken littles.
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Zombo said:
C'mon man. This is serious, regardless of what the Browns are saying. There isn't any QB in the league that needs gam eexperience more than Johnny and they're shutting him down? Over a week's rest?
This ain't baseball. This ain't good.
Zombo
Pettine says it is not worth the risk for a "preseason" game. I tend to go with the HC on this one. Line up with the other chicken littles.
Pettine says it is not worth the risk for a "preseason" game. I tend to go with the HC on this one. Line up with the other chicken littles.
Not worth the "risk" ... note the red flag in front of your face.
Chicken Littles?
Immaturity on and off the field last year.
Unprepared to lead the team last year.
Awful in real league games.
Injured after a start and a half that produced 3 points.
Spent off-season in rehab and not on a football field.
Continues to play small ball on the field in preseason games.
Chronic elbow soreness shuts him down twice in preseason, misses the biggest preseason game of the year and a week and counting of rest.
We're not supposed to be concerned about our first round pick??
We need a fucking quarterback, Jism Breath, and everythng that happens with your boy chips away from the notion that we have one on the roster.
It's fucking frustrating.
Zombo
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How does a tender elbowed QB ever hope to survive the reps an NFL starter takes week in and week out?
Kind of the way 20 game winners survive overuse in the playoffs/world series. They take care of their arms between games. You know. Things like icing them down, multiple new therapies, etc.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
If you don't recognize this as a big issue for an NFL QB, you should, because it is.
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How does a tender elbowed QB ever hope to survive the reps an NFL starter takes week in and week out?
Kind of the way 20 game winners survive overuse in the playoffs/world series. They take care of their arms between games. You know. Things like icing them down, multiple new therapies, etc.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
Kind of the way 20 game winners survive overuse in the playoffs/world series. They take care of their arms between games. You know. Things like icing them down, multiple new therapies, etc.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
I don't remember ever hearing about a sore arm at A&M. I might just be forgetting, but a sore arm is worrisome. It's not like he has tons of time to get better or rest it. I hope you're right, though.
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How does a tender elbowed QB ever hope to survive the reps an NFL starter takes week in and week out?
Kind of the way 20 game winners survive overuse in the playoffs/world series. They take care of their arms between games. You know. Things like icing them down, multiple new therapies, etc.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
Kind of the way 20 game winners survive overuse in the playoffs/world series. They take care of their arms between games. You know. Things like icing them down, multiple new therapies, etc.
I can't believe you of all people can think this is really a problem for him. He had it on occasion during training camps for college as well as sometimes between games.
The baseball analogy does not hold.
At most, starting pitchers pitch-rest-throw-rest-pitch... a four-day rotation. More often today they go on a five-day rotation getting an added day's rest before their throwing day. And then there are "pitch counts". In the playoffs going on "short rest" means they move from their normal five to a four-day schedule. And at series' end sometimes "all hands on deck" calls mean they'll be asked to pitch on their throwing day.
By contrast NFL starters get one day off a week plus a light day on their final-practice/travel day. Normal practice days starters get upwards of 80% of the reps. So in pitcher terms the schedule would be: pitch-rest-throw-throw-throw-throw-throwlight-pitch.
Established QBs can and have taken second days off during the practice week. Developmental QBs can't afford to...
In that light a history of a problem cured by rest is an issue.
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“Why, what's the matter,
That you have such a February face,
So full of frost, of storm and cloudiness?”Guess from where it DOTH come.
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“Why, what's the matter,
That you have such a February face,
So full of frost, of storm and cloudiness?”Guess from where it DOTH come.
“Why, what's the matter,
That you have such a February face,
So full of frost, of storm and cloudiness?”
Guess from where it DOTH come.
Much Ado About Nothing?
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What worries me about this situation is thinking back on other quarterbacks who are supposedly hurt and being held out of game play long past the time they seemed they felt ready to play. Quarterbacks one could assume not in good stead with the front office your coaching staff and who eventually disappeared.
WSS
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Well, McCown is the starter anyways. I'm sure JFF will be ready and able by opening day.
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Aaron Goldhammer @HammerNation19 7m
Aaron Goldhammer@HammerNation19Pettine on Manziel: "I could see he'll just be down for the next two..." Likely OUT vs Chicago as well...7 minutes agoAaron Goldhammer@HammerNation19Pettine on Manziel: "I could see he'll just be down for the next two..." Likely OUT vs Chicago as well...Pettine on Manziel: "I could see he'll just be down for the next two..." Likely OUT vs Chicago as well...
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Aaron Goldhammer @HammerNation19 7m
Aaron Goldhammer@HammerNation19Pettine on Manziel: "I could see he'll just be down for the next two..." Likely OUT vs Chicago as well...7 minutes agoAaron Goldhammer@HammerNation19Pettine on Manziel: "I could see he'll just be down for the next two..." Likely OUT vs Chicago as well...Pettine on Manziel: "I could see he'll just be down for the next two..." Likely OUT vs Chicago as well...
Aaron Goldhammer @HammerNation19 7m
Pettine on Manziel: "I could see he'll just be down for the next two..." Likely OUT vs Chicago as well...
Yeah, nothing to worry about, just can't throw a football for three weeks.
Zombo
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Don't see the big deal.
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Don't see the big deal.
Don't see the big deal.
We are one thumb against the helmet, one center stepping on an ankle after the snap, one non contact knee injury by McCown, to having to start a QB who is basically a rookie and can't throw a football during the week without his elbow falling off....... or even better yet, having to start Thaddeus Lewis.
See now?
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Don't see the big deal.
We are one thumb against the helmet, one center stepping on an ankle after the snap, one non contact knee injury by McCown, to having to start a QB who is basically a rookie and can't throw a football during the week without his elbow falling off....... or even better yet, having to start Thaddeus Lewis.
See now?
We are one thumb against the helmet, one center stepping on an ankle after the snap, one non contact knee injury by McCown, to having to start a QB who is basically a rookie and can't throw a football during the week without his elbow falling off....... or even better yet, having to start Thaddeus Lewis.
See now?
We get either Kyle Orton or Jake Locker to come out of retirement?
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Well, McCown is the starter anyways. I'm sure JFF will be ready and able by opening day.
Well, McCown is the starter anyways. I'm sure JFF will be ready and able by opening day.
Likely ready, but less able than if he'd played in the last two pre-season games...
“Why, what's the matter,
That you have such a February face,
So full of frost, of storm and cloudiness?”
Guess from where it DOTH come.
Casey at doth Bat?
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“Why, what's the matter,
That you have such a February face,
So full of frost, of storm and cloudiness?”
Guess from where it DOTH come.
Much Ado About Nothing?
Much Ado About Nothing?
Winner, winner. Chicken Little dinner.!!
Yum!
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