Who Are Our Final Cuts?

TexasAg1969

Lewis just made the case for a roster drop and Pryor is making the case to keep if it really is a fight to see which survives. But since I am not at practice I don't really know the thinking involved by staff.

The Gipper

Can we afford to cut Thad Lewis? He was completely awful.

calfoxwc

Can we afford to keep him on the roster?

with all his experience, he "plays" like THAT ? WTF ?

Pitiful. Just really, honestly pitiful.

Mike H

Remember when people thought Thad Lewis was a good QB?

Good times.

OL was shit though

tiamat63

@mike-h said:

Remember when people thought Thad Lewis was a good QB?

Good times.

OL was shit though

I was going to say, as bad as Thad looked - let us not pretend the Oline was any better.

gftChris

Roster (not depth chart)

QB - McCown, Manziel - 2

RB - Duke, West, Crowell - 3

TE - Barnidge, Dray, Bibbs - 3

WR - Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin, Pryor, Moore, Mayle - 8

FB - Johnson - 1

OL - Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, Greco, Schwartz, Erving, A. McDonald - 7

Total = 24

DL - Shelton, D. Bryant, Starks, Cooper, Hughes, Meder, Winn, A. Bryant - 8

LB - Solomon, Robertson, Orchard, Dansby, Mingo, Kruger, Kirksey, Carder - 8

DB - Whitner, T. Williams, Haden, Gipson, Campbell, Poyer, Desir, Gilbert, K. Williams, Poyer, Bademosi - 10

Total = 26; 50

ST - Coons, Lee, Hughlett - 3

Total = 3; 53

PS:

James, Kendall

Flanders, Timothy

Jennings

Feichter, Landon

McDaniel, Jacobbi

Wynn, Dylan

Saunders, De'Ante

Pullard III, Hayes

Lenz, Josh

Gaines, Charles

Notable cuts:

Housler, Lewis, Draughn, Seymour, Painter, others...

gftChris

Tough not to find a place for Jennings after his KR tour de force, but we have others who can handle the duties, and he's less likely to get picked up from the PS than Mayle, IMHO.

Zombo

@gftchris said:

Roster (not depth chart)

QB - McCown, Manziel - 2

RB - Duke, West, Crowell - 3

TE - Barnidge, Dray, Bibbs - 3

WR - Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin, Pryor, Moore, Mayle - 8

FB - Johnson - 1

OL - Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, Greco, Schwartz, Erving, A. McDonald - 7

Total = 24

DL - Shelton, D. Bryant, Starks, Cooper, Hughes, Meder, Winn, A. Bryant - 8

LB - Solomon, Robertson, Orchard, Dansby, Mingo, Kruger, Kirksey, Carder - 8

DB - Whitner, T. Williams, Haden, Gipson, Campbell, Poyer, Desir, Gilbert, K. Williams, Poyer, Bademosi - 10

Total = 26; 50

ST - Coons, Lee, Hughlett - 3

Total = 3; 53

PS:

James, Kendall

Flanders, Timothy

Jennings

Feichter, Landon

McDaniel, Jacobbi

Wynn, Dylan

Saunders, De'Ante

Pullard III, Hayes

Lenz, Josh

Gaines, Charles

Notable cuts:

Housler, Lewis, Draughn, Seymour, Painter, others...

Gaines, Lenz and Pullard would not make it to the practice squad after what they put on tape the last month. They would make another team's 53. Don't see us cutting draft pick Pullard, real tough decisions on the other two.

Z

The Gipper

Zombo said:

Gaines, Lenz and Pullard would not make it to the practice squad after what they put on tape the last month. They would make another team's 53. Don't see us cutting draft pick Pullard, real tough decisions on the other two.

Z

Right, Gaines could beat out Poyer or Bademosi. Pullard could take Carder's slot.

Lenz, I don't know. Do you think he could beat out Mayle or Moore?

wargograw

Do we really need Moore?

Zombo

@the-gipper said:

Right, Gaines could beat out Poyer or Bademosi. Pullard could take Carder's slot.

Lenz, I don't know. Do you think he could beat out Mayle or Moore?

I think he HAS beaten out Mayle, but it is hard for the staff to cut bait with a 4th round pick.

Would love to be a fly on the wall in the receivers room, interesting decisions to be made. You have to assume Hartline, Hawk and Gabe are safe and Pet said Bowe safe too. So when you look at 5th, 6th, 7th receivers you are looking at special teamers and versatility. And I think that puts Pryor and Moore on the roster. So we are talking 7th receiver Lenz or Mayle? Somethings gotta give, thats a lot of fucking receivers.

Z

gftChris

Zombo said:

Gaines, Lenz and Pullard would not make it to the practice squad after what they put on tape the last month. They would make another team's 53. Don't see us cutting draft pick Pullard, real tough decisions on the other two.

Z

Gaines was a 6th round pick as well. It was a toss up between Carder and Pullard, and it likely won't make a huge difference in the end who our 4th ILB is (if it does our season isn't going anywhere anyway). I'm just going on what Carder brings on ST, as well as Pettine's glowing report of him earlier in the pre-season.

@the-gipper said:

Right, Gaines could beat out Poyer or Bademosi. Pullard could take Carder's slot.

Lenz, I don't know. Do you think he could beat out Mayle or Moore?

Poyer is the #3 safety IMO behind gip and whitner. Bademosi is a lock because of ST.

@wargograw said:
Do we really need Moore?

Again, a core STer, along with Bademosi. Those two aren't going anywhere.

Zombo said:

I think he HAS beaten out Mayle, but it is hard for the staff to cut bait with a 4th round pick.

Would love to be a fly on the wall in the receivers room, interesting decisions to be made. You have to assume Hartline, Hawk and Gabe are safe and Pet said Bowe safe too. So when you look at 5th, 6th, 7th receivers you are looking at special teamers and versatility. And I think that puts Pryor and Moore on the roster. So we are talking 7th receiver Lenz or Mayle? Somethings gotta give, thats a lot of fucking receivers.

Z

Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins and Gabe, but also Benjamin - he's been our best WR this summer, and he looks to have his confidence back in the return game. Regardless of whether his TD was a gimme - huge lanes, no contact - it'll do wonders for his confidence. That leaves 2 or 3 spots. Mayle, like you say, is a 4th round pick, so more likely to stay on the active roster than a UDFA (who's less likely to get picked up from PS). Then one or two - Moore, for KR and being a ST gunner, isn't going anywhere. If we cut Draughn, as I have, we need Moore. That leaves maybe room for one more - could be Lenz, though he's been decent, but not *spectacular*. More likely would be Jennings given his KR prowess. Both would likely end up on the PS. Pryor is the odd man out - either cut him or keep him, no PS (I believe). In this scenario we keep him, but I could swap him out for Jennings.

Zombo

Yeah I forgot Benji, who will be a big part of the offense and ST. So five locks. I think Pryor and Moore would be the the value picks there, leaving Mayle, Lenz and Jennings on the outside looking in. Those are some tough cuts.

Z

gftChris

Yep. Three months ago everyone had him cut without question, now he's looking at being #2 or #3 receiver.

calfoxwc

"everyone" baloney.

gftChris

Also, as much as people don't want to talk about it, Pryor does have a handle on the system and could be the pinch QB3. If McCown goes down, I don't doubt JFF is the starter, and we bring in a Matt Cassell or someone, but if both QBs go down on game day, Pryor can step in.

The Gipper

@gftchris said:

Gaines was a 6th round pick as well. It was a toss up between Carder and Pullard, and it likely won't make a huge difference in the end who our 4th ILB is (if it does our season isn't going anywhere anyway). I'm just going on what Carder brings on ST, as well as Pettine's glowing report of him earlier in the pre-season.

Poyer is the #3 safety IMO behind gip and whitner. Bademosi is a lock because of ST.

Again, a core STer, along with Bademosi. Those two aren't going anywhere.

Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins and Gabe, but also Benjamin - he's been our best WR this summer, and he looks to have his confidence back in the return game. Regardless of whether his TD was a gimme - huge lanes, no contact - it'll do wonders for his confidence. That leaves 2 or 3 spots. Mayle, like you say, is a 4th round pick, so more likely to stay on the active roster than a UDFA (who's less likely to get picked up from PS). Then one or two - Moore, for KR and being a ST gunner, isn't going anywhere. If we cut Draughn, as I have, we need Moore. That leaves maybe room for one more - could be Lenz, though he's been decent, but not *spectacular*. More likely would be Jennings given his KR prowess. Both would likely end up on the PS. Pryor is the odd man out - either cut him or keep him, no PS (I believe). In this scenario we keep him, but I could swap him out for Jennings.

Mayle was also playing on STs....in fact played the gunner role I believe. What does Moore bring to the table that Mayle doesn't....besides experience?

The Gipper

@gftchris said:
Also, as much as people don't want to talk about it, Pryor does have a handle on the system and could be the pinch QB3. If McCown goes down, I don't doubt JFF is the starter, and we bring in a Matt Cassell or someone, but if both QBs go down on game day, Pryor can step in.

Pryor ran at least 2-3 Wilddawg plays last night....just to get the ball in his hands. (because Lewis sure the hell could not) So there is that play package on the board with him.

hoorta

@d-bone said:
I heard Bowe is playing tonight....... Anyone else think this it's odd for a multi year vet to play in game 4?

The times I watched Bowe- he played like crap. Couldn't get separation against 3rd string corners- not good.

Clevfan4life

I would "hate" to lose Lenz. With the history of drops in this city, man that kid is a flycatcher. And lest we forget he had some catches in the first or 2nd game where flat out beat some starting DB's on a pure vertical route. Kid has quicks. Not the biggest guy so I dunno, maybe not at Welkers level yet cause that guy you could send anywhere. But given some time I think Lenz can be the next welker.