Harbaugh is in for a LONG year
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Going from SDSU to Stanford still leaves you woefully short of knowing how to manage the egos of a big time program. Hey, he'll probably do fine, I just don't like when people assume a guy will dominate the CFB big leagues just because he dominated the small ones.
He had no egos to manage on an NFL team?
Who has said he will dominate?
Was Stanford in a "small league"? They play in the same FBS as everyone else, correct? Or are you calling the PAC 12 small?
You said there's no guarantee he'll win because he's only won at a "small program". That completely ignores each program he's turned around, it makes Stanford sound like a MAC team, and it ignores his entire NFL stint...
He had no egos to manage on an NFL team?
Who has said he will dominate?
Was Stanford in a "small league"? They play in the same FBS as everyone else, correct? Or are you calling the PAC 12 small?
You said there's no guarantee he'll win because he's only won at a "small program". That completely ignores each program he's turned around, it makes Stanford sound like a MAC team, and it ignores his entire NFL stint...
You can cut guys in the NFL. Everyone's got a professionals mentality. Completely different ball game.
Pretty much every Michigan fan. If not, what exactly do you think he will do?
"Big leagues" is an expression. Stanford is not in the CFB big leagues when it comes to programs. Had nothing to do with the PAC 12.
It doesn't ignore each program he's turned around. It says it's a small program. Exactly what I said.
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You should say you will be happy with 6-6....because you should be happy with 6-6 vs. what it could be.
We lost the first game, by 7, on the road at night against a good team, with a -3 turnover margin. And it was only 7 points.
What do you think "what it could be" is? Most people are putting the bottom as 6-6, with 8-4 a reasonable expectation.
We lost the first game, by 7, on the road at night against a good team, with a -3 turnover margin. And it was only 7 points.
What do you think "what it could be" is? Most people are putting the bottom as 6-6, with 8-4 a reasonable expectation.
8-4 is optimal expectation, 6-6 is reasonable expectation. 4-8 is not beyond the realm of possibility.
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In 3 or 4 years, Harbaugh will be gone. That's his track record
Because he's moved up each time... and now he is where he wants to be.
Because he's moved up each time... and now he is where he wants to be.
You think he is a new Nick Saban......success in college, switches to the pros....things there become iffy...then he decides tp go back to college to his "dream job". Sure, possible. But then his dream job unlike Saban may in fact be back in the NFL......who knows, we shall see.
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We lost the first game, by 7, on the road at night against a good team, with a -3 turnover margin. And it was only 7 points.
What do you think "what it could be" is? Most people are putting the bottom as 6-6, with 8-4 a reasonable expectation.
8-4 is optimal expectation, 6-6 is reasonable expectation. 4-8 is not beyond the realm of possibility.
8-4 is optimal expectation, 6-6 is reasonable expectation. 4-8 is not beyond the realm of possibility.
What is your background in the issue?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Because he's moved up each time... and now he is where he wants to be.
You think he is a new Nick Saban......success in college, switches to the pros....things there become iffy...then he decides tp go back to college to his "dream job". Sure, possible. But then his dream job unlike Saban may in fact be back in the NFL......who knows, we shall see.
You think he is a new Nick Saban......success in college, switches to the pros....things there become iffy...then he decides tp go back to college to his "dream job". Sure, possible. But then his dream job unlike Saban may in fact be back in the NFL......who knows, we shall see.
First of all I'd never want Harbaugh to be like Saban.
Second, there are a lot of differences in these situations
1) JH actually had success in the pros, a lot of it
2) JH could gave continued coaching in the NFL at a number of locations if he wanted to
3) JH is back at the team he played for. In the town he grew up in. His kids are going to the same elementary school he did. By all accounts he is where he wants to be right now.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
He had no egos to manage on an NFL team?
Who has said he will dominate?
Was Stanford in a "small league"? They play in the same FBS as everyone else, correct? Or are you calling the PAC 12 small?
You said there's no guarantee he'll win because he's only won at a "small program". That completely ignores each program he's turned around, it makes Stanford sound like a MAC team, and it ignores his entire NFL stint...
You can cut guys in the NFL. Everyone's got a professionals mentality. Completely different ball game.
Pretty much every Michigan fan. If not, what exactly do you think he will do?
"Big leagues" is an expression. Stanford is not in the CFB big leagues when it comes to programs. Had nothing to do with the PAC 12.
It doesn't ignore each program he's turned around. It says it's a small program. Exactly what I said.
You can cut guys in the NFL. Everyone's got a professionals mentality. Completely different ball game.
Pretty much every Michigan fan. If not, what exactly do you think he will do?
"Big leagues" is an expression. Stanford is not in the CFB big leagues when it comes to programs. Had nothing to do with the PAC 12.
It doesn't ignore each program he's turned around. It says it's a small program. Exactly what I said.
Everyone has a professional mentality in the NFL? Really? You think egos just disappear once you reach the NFL? And you think "just cut them" is the answer?
Every Michigan fan says Harbaugh will "dominate"? Really? I disagree, but I guess that would depend on your definition of dominate.
No, Stanford is not in the top level of big time programs. Stanford isn't a small program though. And, again, it ignores the NFL.
Though I'm sure most NFL coaches would be relieved to hear there aren't egos to deal with in the NFL and everyone is a professional.
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8-4 is optimal expectation, 6-6 is reasonable expectation. 4-8 is not beyond the realm of possibility.
What is your background in the issue?
What is your background in the issue?
Years and years and years of experience. And knowledge. And insight. And divination.
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You think he is a new Nick Saban......success in college, switches to the pros....things there become iffy...then he decides tp go back to college to his "dream job". Sure, possible. But then his dream job unlike Saban may in fact be back in the NFL......who knows, we shall see.
First of all I'd never want Harbaugh to be like Saban.
Second, there are a lot of differences in these situations
1) JH actually had success in the pros, a lot of it
2) JH could gave continued coaching in the NFL at a number of locations if he wanted to
3) JH is back at the team he played for. In the town he grew up in. His kids are going to the same elementary school he did. By all accounts he is where he wants to be right now.
First of all I'd never want Harbaugh to be like Saban.
Second, there are a lot of differences in these situations
1) JH actually had success in the pros, a lot of it
2) JH could gave continued coaching in the NFL at a number of locations if he wanted to
3) JH is back at the team he played for. In the town he grew up in. His kids are going to the same elementary school he did. By all accounts he is where he wants to be right now.
Possible, but who knows.
Harbaugh.....went to HS in Palo Alto (maybe that is where he really would like to be...but can't go back there). And he was born in Toledo.
So...when did he live in AA as a baern?
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First of all I'd never want Harbaugh to be like Saban.
Second, there are a lot of differences in these situations
1) JH actually had success in the pros, a lot of it
2) JH could gave continued coaching in the NFL at a number of locations if he wanted to
3) JH is back at the team he played for. In the town he grew up in. His kids are going to the same elementary school he did. By all accounts he is where he wants to be right now.
Possible, but who knows.
Harbaugh.....went to HS in Palo Alto (maybe that is where he really would like to be...but can't go back there). And he was born in Toledo.
So...when did he live in AA as a baern?
Possible, but who knows.
Harbaugh.....went to HS in Palo Alto (maybe that is where he really would like to be...but can't go back there). And he was born in Toledo.
So...when did he live in AA as a baern?
He lived in AA between 1973 and 1979, when his dad coached here. During that time he idolized Bo. Not to mention he played here under Bo. He has plenty of time in here. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I've followed this more than you. It seems like this is where he wants to be.
Again, if he wanted to be in the NFL and be in Cali, he'd be there.
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Possible, but who knows.
Harbaugh.....went to HS in Palo Alto (maybe that is where he really would like to be...but can't go back there). And he was born in Toledo.
So...when did he live in AA as a baern?
He lived in AA between 1973 and 1979, when his dad coached here. During that time he idolized Bo. Not to mention he played here under Bo. He has plenty of time in here. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I've followed this more than you. It seems like this is where he wants to be.
Again, if he wanted to be in the NFL and be in Cali, he'd be there.
He lived in AA between 1973 and 1979, when his dad coached here. During that time he idolized Bo. Not to mention he played here under Bo. He has plenty of time in here. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I've followed this more than you. It seems like this is where he wants to be.
Again, if he wanted to be in the NFL and be in Cali, he'd be there.
Just wait until a decent/good NFL team comes calling.
I don't think he will leave for some scrub team without a franchise QB.
Maybe the Giants in a year or 2 or maybe the Colts, as their coach is in the last year of his contract.
If the Colts call him next off-season, he will be on the first thing smokin' to Indy
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You think he didn't have any good/decent options in the NFL? With all of the success he had? You sure?
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You think he didn't have any good/decent options in the NFL? With all of the success he had? You sure?
You think he didn't have any good/decent options in the NFL? With all of the success he had? You sure?
Of the 7 NFL teams that needed a coach this past off-season, maybe ATL was a better job than UM
Wait until the Colts need a new coach. They will have their pick of any college coach they want
Saban, Meyer, or Harbaugh all might get calls from them, and if they want Harbaugh he will be gone
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
You can cut guys in the NFL. Everyone's got a professionals mentality. Completely different ball game.
Pretty much every Michigan fan. If not, what exactly do you think he will do?
"Big leagues" is an expression. Stanford is not in the CFB big leagues when it comes to programs. Had nothing to do with the PAC 12.
It doesn't ignore each program he's turned around. It says it's a small program. Exactly what I said.
Everyone has a professional mentality in the NFL? Really? You think egos just disappear once you reach the NFL? And you think "just cut them" is the answer?
Every Michigan fan says Harbaugh will "dominate"? Really? I disagree, but I guess that would depend on your definition of dominate.
No, Stanford is not in the top level of big time programs. Stanford isn't a small program though. And, again, it ignores the NFL.
Though I'm sure most NFL coaches would be relieved to hear there aren't egos to deal with in the NFL and everyone is a professional.
Everyone has a professional mentality in the NFL? Really? You think egos just disappear once you reach the NFL? And you think "just cut them" is the answer?
Every Michigan fan says Harbaugh will "dominate"? Really? I disagree, but I guess that would depend on your definition of dominate.
No, Stanford is not in the top level of big time programs. Stanford isn't a small program though. And, again, it ignores the NFL.
Though I'm sure most NFL coaches would be relieved to hear there aren't egos to deal with in the NFL and everyone is a professional.
It's a completely different ball game dealing with these youngsters. They are anywhere from 1-5 years younger than every NFL player. That makes a huge difference. They can be cut in a lot of instances. See West, Terrence (I realize he wasn't technically cut).
So you haven't said exactly what you think he'll do. Just are refuting my interpretation of Michigan fans (which is built largely off of the things you've said anyway). Care to actually offer an opinion instead of picking apart everyone else's?
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You think he didn't have any good/decent options in the NFL? With all of the success he had? You sure?
Of the 7 NFL teams that needed a coach this past off-season, maybe ATL was a better job than UM
Wait until the Colts need a new coach. They will have their pick of any college coach they want
Saban, Meyer, or Harbaugh all might get calls from them, and if they want Harbaugh he will be gone
Of the 7 NFL teams that needed a coach this past off-season, maybe ATL was a better job than UM
Wait until the Colts need a new coach. They will have their pick of any college coach they want
Saban, Meyer, or Harbaugh all might get calls from them, and if they want Harbaugh he will be gone
Sure thing.
I imagine you also went from the "he'll never leave the NFL for Michigan!" to the "Well no one in the NFL wanted him anyway!" camps too...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Everyone has a professional mentality in the NFL? Really? You think egos just disappear once you reach the NFL? And you think "just cut them" is the answer?
Every Michigan fan says Harbaugh will "dominate"? Really? I disagree, but I guess that would depend on your definition of dominate.
No, Stanford is not in the top level of big time programs. Stanford isn't a small program though. And, again, it ignores the NFL.
Though I'm sure most NFL coaches would be relieved to hear there aren't egos to deal with in the NFL and everyone is a professional.
It's a completely different ball game dealing with these youngsters. They are anywhere from 1-5 years younger than every NFL player. That makes a huge difference. They can be cut in a lot of instances. See West, Terrence (I realize he wasn't technically cut).
So you haven't said exactly what you think he'll do. Just are refuting my interpretation of Michigan fans (which is built largely off of the things you've said anyway). Care to actually offer an opinion instead of picking apart everyone else's?
It's a completely different ball game dealing with these youngsters. They are anywhere from 1-5 years younger than every NFL player. That makes a huge difference. They can be cut in a lot of instances. See West, Terrence (I realize he wasn't technically cut).
So you haven't said exactly what you think he'll do. Just are refuting my interpretation of Michigan fans (which is built largely off of the things you've said anyway). Care to actually offer an opinion instead of picking apart everyone else's?
I think we'll be in the national title conversation in about 4 years
West wasn't a star. Moving him was no big deal. College coaches have much, much more influence over their players than NFL coaches.
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Ok we're splitting hairs but being in the title conversation is not dominating?
The guys are much older, more mature, the ones with character issues are downgraded in the draft, etc. No comparison to getting some kid in from New Orleans or BF, Mississippi that's grown up with no father and a ton of violence in the neighborhood and whose first time leaving his 100 mile radius is when his high school coach drove him to an unofficial visit. That's who you're managing. Not a guy who's been a college star for years.
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I consider dominating as creating a dynasty with multiple titles. I don't expect that.
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Alright, fair enough. That's a clear distinction. Why don't you though?
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Alright, fair enough. That's a clear distinction. Why don't you though?
I don't think that is a reasonable expectation for any team. There is a lot of competition across the board. Michigan has a top coach, they're a top program historically, have all of the resources they could need, etc etc etc... but it is unreasonable to expect "dominance" anywhere.
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How woody sees harbaugh
How I see harbaugh
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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