Rockets
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Or South Carolina...who lost to the 2d/3rd weakest program in the SEC. And Auburn....who came within a cunt hair of losing to an FCS team.
But lets put the Toledo win ....AND the Bowling Green win over Maryland in perspective: The MAC ALWAYS comes away with a couple of wins each year against P5 teams. Here are the MAC victories over P5 programs the last 10 years:
2015 so far:
Bowling Green over Maryland
Toledo over Arkansas
2014
Akron over Pitt
W. Mich. over Purdue
Cent. Mich over Purdue
N. Ill. over Nortwestern
Bowling Green over Indiana
2013
N. Ill over Iowa
N. Ill over Purdue
Ball St. over Virginia
2012
Ohio over Penn St.
Ball St. over Indiana
Cent. Mich over Iowa
Kent St. over Rutgers
2011
Ball St. over Indiana
2010
Toledo over Purdue
N. Ill over Minnesota
2009
Cent. Mich over Michigan St.
N. Ill. over Purdue
2008
Bowling Green over Pitt
Akron over Syracuse
Ball St. over Indiana
Toledo over Michigan
Cent. Mich over Indiana
2007
Kent St. over Iowa
Bowling Green over Minn.
Toledo over Iowa St.
Miami over Syracuse
2006
Akron over NC St.
W. Mich over Virginia
Ohio over Illinois
2005
Ohio over Pitt
Miam over Cincinnati
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Or South Carolina...who lost to the 2d/3rd weakest program in the SEC. And Auburn....who came within a cunt hair of losing to an FCS team.
But lets put the Toledo win ....AND the Bowling Green win over Maryland in perspective: The MAC ALWAYS comes away with a couple of wins each year against P5 teams. Here are the MAC victories over P5 programs the last 10 years:
2015 so far:
Bowling Green over Maryland
Toledo over Arkansas
2014
Akron over Pitt
W. Mich. over Purdue
Cent. Mich over Purdue
N. Ill. over Nortwestern
Bowling Green over Indiana
2013
N. Ill over Iowa
N. Ill over Purdue
Ball St. over Virginia
2012
Ohio over Penn St.
Ball St. over Indiana
Cent. Mich over Iowa
Kent St. over Rutgers
2011
Ball St. over Indiana
2010
Toledo over Purdue
N. Ill over Minnesota
2009
Cent. Mich over Michigan St.
N. Ill. over Purdue
2008
Bowling Green over Pitt
Akron over Syracuse
Ball St. over Indiana
Toledo over Michigan
Cent. Mich over Indiana
2007
Kent St. over Iowa
Bowling Green over Minn.
Toledo over Iowa St.
Miami over Syracuse
2006
Akron over NC St.
W. Mich over Virginia
Ohio over Illinois
2005
Ohio over Pitt
Miam over Cincinnati
But lets put the Toledo win ....AND the Bowling Green win over Maryland in perspective: The MAC ALWAYS comes away with a couple of wins each year against P5 teams. Here are the MAC victories over P5 programs the last 10 years:
2015 so far:
Bowling Green over Maryland
Toledo over Arkansas
2014
Akron over Pitt
W. Mich. over Purdue
Cent. Mich over Purdue
N. Ill. over Nortwestern
Bowling Green over Indiana
2013
N. Ill over Iowa
N. Ill over Purdue
Ball St. over Virginia
2012
Ohio over Penn St.
Ball St. over Indiana
Cent. Mich over Iowa
Kent St. over Rutgers
2011
Ball St. over Indiana
2010
Toledo over Purdue
N. Ill over Minnesota
2009
Cent. Mich over Michigan St.
N. Ill. over Purdue
2008
Bowling Green over Pitt
Akron over Syracuse
Ball St. over Indiana
Toledo over Michigan
Cent. Mich over Indiana
2007
Kent St. over Iowa
Bowling Green over Minn.
Toledo over Iowa St.
Miami over Syracuse
2006
Akron over NC St.
W. Mich over Virginia
Ohio over Illinois
2005
Ohio over Pitt
Miam over Cincinnati
Yeah, it's just usually against a Big10 school 95% of the time
I'm surprised one of you Moes hasn't broken this one out yet.
it's a good one..
Yer welcome..
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But lets put the Toledo win ....AND the Bowling Green win over Maryland in perspective: The MAC ALWAYS comes away with a couple of wins each year against P5 teams. Here are the MAC victories over P5 programs the last 10 years:
2015 so far:
Bowling Green over Maryland
Toledo over Arkansas
2014
Akron over Pitt
W. Mich. over Purdue
Cent. Mich over Purdue
N. Ill. over Nortwestern
Bowling Green over Indiana
2013
N. Ill over Iowa
N. Ill over Purdue
Ball St. over Virginia
2012
Ohio over Penn St.
Ball St. over Indiana
Cent. Mich over Iowa
Kent St. over Rutgers
2011
Ball St. over Indiana
2010
Toledo over Purdue
N. Ill over Minnesota
2009
Cent. Mich over Michigan St.
N. Ill. over Purdue
2008
Bowling Green over Pitt
Akron over Syracuse
Ball St. over Indiana
Toledo over Michigan
Cent. Mich over Indiana
2007
Kent St. over Iowa
Bowling Green over Minn.
Toledo over Iowa St.
Miami over Syracuse
2006
Akron over NC St.
W. Mich over Virginia
Ohio over Illinois
2005
Ohio over Pitt
Miam over Cincinnati
Yeah, it's just usually against a Big10 school 95% of the time
I'm surprised one of you Moes hasn't broken this one out yet.
it's a good one..
Yer welcome..
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Inflate SEC rankings in the preseason
Give SEC teams ranked wins
"They beat a ranked team! They should move up!"
"They lost to a ranked team, they shouldn't drop that far!"
Rinse and repeat.
Arkansas just didn't hold up their end of the bargain
Inflate SEC rankings in the preseason
Give SEC teams ranked wins
"They beat a ranked team! They should move up!"
"They lost to a ranked team, they shouldn't drop that far!"
Rinse and repeat.
Arkansas just didn't hold up their end of the bargain
So what is the standard? Bowl games? Whoever Woody decides is the best conference?
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Inflate SEC rankings in the preseason
Give SEC teams ranked wins
"They beat a ranked team! They should move up!"
"They lost to a ranked team, they shouldn't drop that far!"
Rinse and repeat.
Arkansas just didn't hold up their end of the bargain
So what is the standard? Bowl games? Whoever Woody decides is the best conference?
So what is the standard? Bowl games? Whoever Woody decides is the best conference?
I think the way the Big Ten is going to do it could be the standard for the future of the P5 teams:
Minimum 9 conference games.
Mandatory 1 non-conf. game vs. other P5 conf. team.
NO games vs. FCS by P5 teams.
(and yes, I think the P5 conferences should have 16 teams each....80 total, per my proposal).
I think the other P5 teams will feel pressured to adopt this setup once the Big Ten does so.
It still preserves the "warm up games" that a team can schedule against mid majors...MAC/SunBelt/MWC.
Those mid-majors would not have the same restrictions. Example: Akron and Kent St. ...FBS teams, have had games against near rival Youngstown St....FCS....which is really not that much of a step down in strength of program.
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I also think that if the P5 conferences do not adopt this sort of policy...it will hurt whatever conference refused to go along with the playoff committee.....be it that there is a 4 team or 8 team playoff.
Getting rid of the cupcakes on the schedule is a first start.
The Big Ten has not completely gone away from it yet.....but they are starting to. Here are the Big Ten FCS opponents that will not be allowed in the future:
Indiana vs. So. Illinois
Maryland vs. Richmond
Rutgers vs. Norfolk St.
Illinois vs. West. Illinois
Iowa vs. Illinois St.
Northwestern vs. East. Illinois
Purdue vs. Indiana St.
only 7 of the 12 Big Ten schools have an FCs opponent.
Ohio St., Penn St. Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin do not have FCS opponents.
The SEC's record is much worse: 13 of the 14 schools have an FCS opponent on their schedule:
Georgia vs. Southern
Kentucky vs. E. Ky.
Missouri vs. SE Missouri
South Carolina vs. The Citadel
Tenn. vs. Western Carolina
Vandy vs. Austin Peay
Alabama vs. Charleston Southern
Arkansas vs. Tenn. Martin
Auburn vs. Jacksonville St.
LSU vs. McNeese St.
Mississippi St. vs. Northwestern St.
Ole Miss vs UT Martin
Texas A&M vs. Western Carolina
ONLY Florida did not have an FCS school scheduled.
When Spurrier and Beilama get rid of their schedule fodder, they can talk.
Will the SEC adopt the no FCS school rule?
Why do I feel they will be gutless here?
I will have to check on how the other conferences fare in this area.
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The ACC is as bad as the SEC. Only 1 school....Duke of all people do not have an FCS school on their schedule. Boston College has 2:
BC vs. Maine
BC vs. Howard
FSU vs. Chattanooga
L-ville vs. Samford
NC St. vs. E. Ky.
Syracuse vs. Rhode Island
Wake vs Elon (which mighy actually be D-III)
Ga. Tech vs. Alcorn St.
Miami vs. Bethune-Cookman
NC vs. NC A&T
Pitt vs. Youngstown St.
Virginia vs. William and Mary
Va. Tech vs. Furman
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In the Big 12....things are average......The really top notch programs there....Oklahoma and Texas do NOT have an FCS school on their schedule....the others do. (the current Big 12 does play a complete round robin of 9 conference games):
Baylor vs. Lamar
Iowa St. vs. N. Iowa
Kansas vs. South Dakota St.
Kansas St. vs. South Dakota
OK St. vs. Central Arkansas
TCU vs. Stephen F. Austin
Texas Tech vs. Sam Houston St.
W. Va. vs. Liberty
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Finally for the Pac12, it is a bit closer to the Big Ten in avoiding games vs. FCS teams. Stanford, UCLA, USC and Utah do not play any FCS teams....but here are the other games:
Cal vs. Grambling
Oregon vs. East. Washington
Ore. St. vs. Weber St.
Washington vs. Sacramento St.
Washington vs. Portland St.
Arizona vs. Northern Arizona
AZ St. vs. Cal Poly SLO
Colorado vs. Nichols St.
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So what is the standard? Bowl games? Whoever Woody decides is the best conference?
I think the way the Big Ten is going to do it could be the standard for the future of the P5 teams:
Minimum 9 conference games.
Mandatory 1 non-conf. game vs. other P5 conf. team.
NO games vs. FCS by P5 teams.
(and yes, I think the P5 conferences should have 16 teams each....80 total, per my proposal).
I think the other P5 teams will feel pressured to adopt this setup once the Big Ten does so.
It still preserves the "warm up games" that a team can schedule against mid majors...MAC/SunBelt/MWC.
Those mid-majors would not have the same restrictions. Example: Akron and Kent St. ...FBS teams, have had games against near rival Youngstown St....FCS....which is really not that much of a step down in strength of program.
I think the way the Big Ten is going to do it could be the standard for the future of the P5 teams:
Minimum 9 conference games.
Mandatory 1 non-conf. game vs. other P5 conf. team.
NO games vs. FCS by P5 teams.
(and yes, I think the P5 conferences should have 16 teams each....80 total, per my proposal).
I think the other P5 teams will feel pressured to adopt this setup once the Big Ten does so.
It still preserves the "warm up games" that a team can schedule against mid majors...MAC/SunBelt/MWC.
Those mid-majors would not have the same restrictions. Example: Akron and Kent St. ...FBS teams, have had games against near rival Youngstown St....FCS....which is really not that much of a step down in strength of program.
That's not the standard I was asking about. I was asking what the standard was for determining the best conference. Neither you, nor Woody, nor every other drive-by poster that comes here and bashes the SEC has a coherent answer.
But again, why do you care what other teams besides OSU do?
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I'll say the mentality started with the top two teams of the SEC being successful and the rest of the conference thumping their chests.
Then dismissing the team(s) and conference(s) that had lost in a BCS or Title game... i.e. tOSU in 2006.
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4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on.
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I think the way the Big Ten is going to do it could be the standard for the future of the P5 teams:
Minimum 9 conference games.
Mandatory 1 non-conf. game vs. other P5 conf. team.
NO games vs. FCS by P5 teams.
(and yes, I think the P5 conferences should have 16 teams each....80 total, per my proposal).
I think the other P5 teams will feel pressured to adopt this setup once the Big Ten does so.
It still preserves the "warm up games" that a team can schedule against mid majors...MAC/SunBelt/MWC.
Those mid-majors would not have the same restrictions. Example: Akron and Kent St. ...FBS teams, have had games against near rival Youngstown St....FCS....which is really not that much of a step down in strength of program.
That's not the standard I was asking about. I was asking what the standard was for determining the best conference. Neither you, nor Woody, nor every other drive-by poster that comes here and bashes the SEC has a coherent answer.
But again, why do you care what other teams besides OSU do?
That's not the standard I was asking about. I was asking what the standard was for determining the best conference. Neither you, nor Woody, nor every other drive-by poster that comes here and bashes the SEC has a coherent answer.
But again, why do you care what other teams besides OSU do?
OK, fine: the standard for determining the best conference is which conference schedules the toughest non-conference schedule combined with not scheduling cakewalks.
Do I really care? No......but honestly....is it at all interesting to see these schools scheduling these cream puffs and winning 76-0.
I mean, sure, an FBS school can play a mid major and win 76-0 on rare occasion....but that is an exception.
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4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on.
4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on.
You see though....it took the entire conference to do that.
What you have here apparently is an entire conference measuring itself against one team.
Probably appropriate.
(but remember...YOUR team was not one of those 7-8 teams you are talking about.....wasn't even part of the conference during most of that time)
Why don't you talk about what your team has accomplished....and not worry about what other teams have done.
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4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on.
4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on.
You're telling me that ESPN didn't start pimping "SEC Speeeeeeeeed" January 2007? Because I sure as fuck remember them doing that. I also remember M*chigan being beaten by USC and the 'Big 10 is slow, can't compete' etc etc was in full go by that point.
As it stands, the SEC hasn't had a title game winner in a couple years yet you hear about conference superiority still. They shouldn't have had 2 representatives in 2011 either. That was such horse shit. For some reason that superiority mantra didn't take long to establish yet doesn't seem to be going away anywhere near as quickly.
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A rematch in 2011 but none in 2007.... Smh
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That's not the standard I was asking about. I was asking what the standard was for determining the best conference. Neither you, nor Woody, nor every other drive-by poster that comes here and bashes the SEC has a coherent answer.
But again, why do you care what other teams besides OSU do?
OK, fine: the standard for determining the best conference is which conference schedules the toughest non-conference schedule combined with not scheduling cakewalks.
Do I really care? No......but honestly....is it at all interesting to see these schools scheduling these cream puffs and winning 76-0.
I mean, sure, an FBS school can play a mid major and win 76-0 on rare occasion....but that is an exception.
OK, fine: the standard for determining the best conference is which conference schedules the toughest non-conference schedule combined with not scheduling cakewalks.
Do I really care? No......but honestly....is it at all interesting to see these schools scheduling these cream puffs and winning 76-0.
I mean, sure, an FBS school can play a mid major and win 76-0 on rare occasion....but that is an exception.
Then there's no point in us debating since we don't have the same criteria.
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4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on.
You see though....it took the entire conference to do that.
What you have here apparently is an entire conference measuring itself against one team.
Probably appropriate.
(but remember...YOUR team was not one of those 7-8 teams you are talking about.....wasn't even part of the conference during most of that time)
Why don't you talk about what your team has accomplished....and not worry about what other teams have done.
You see though....it took the entire conference to do that.
What you have here apparently is an entire conference measuring itself against one team.
Probably appropriate.
(but remember...YOUR team was not one of those 7-8 teams you are talking about.....wasn't even part of the conference during most of that time)
Why don't you talk about what your team has accomplished....and not worry about what other teams have done.
Again, I could say the same to you. Why don't you worry about what your team has accomplished (or revel in it, or whatever)....and not worry about what SEC teams have done?
Yes it took the entire conference, but you were only playing one at a time. It is hard to lose 8 or 9 straight games to one conference.
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4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on.
You're telling me that ESPN didn't start pimping "SEC Speeeeeeeeed" January 2007? Because I sure as fuck remember them doing that. I also remember M*chigan being beaten by USC and the 'Big 10 is slow, can't compete' etc etc was in full go by that point.
As it stands, the SEC hasn't had a title game winner in a couple years yet you hear about conference superiority still. They shouldn't have had 2 representatives in 2011 either. That was such horse shit. For some reason that superiority mantra didn't take long to establish yet doesn't seem to be going away anywhere near as quickly.
You're telling me that ESPN didn't start pimping "SEC Speeeeeeeeed" January 2007? Because I sure as fuck remember them doing that. I also remember M*chigan being beaten by USC and the 'Big 10 is slow, can't compete' etc etc was in full go by that point.
As it stands, the SEC hasn't had a title game winner in a couple years yet you hear about conference superiority still. They shouldn't have had 2 representatives in 2011 either. That was such horse shit. For some reason that superiority mantra didn't take long to establish yet doesn't seem to be going away anywhere near as quickly.
This makes no sense. After 7 straight titles, people like you still denied that it was the best conference.
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You're telling me that ESPN didn't start pimping "SEC Speeeeeeeeed" January 2007? Because I sure as fuck remember them doing that. I also remember M*chigan being beaten by USC and the 'Big 10 is slow, can't compete' etc etc was in full go by that point.
As it stands, the SEC hasn't had a title game winner in a couple years yet you hear about conference superiority still. They shouldn't have had 2 representatives in 2011 either. That was such horse shit. For some reason that superiority mantra didn't take long to establish yet doesn't seem to be going away anywhere near as quickly.
This makes no sense. After 7 straight titles, people like you still denied that it was the best conference.
This makes no sense. After 7 straight titles, people like you still denied that it was the best conference.
No, I think what has been said that there is no denying that it had the best top teams......overall conference during that stretch? I am still not convinced.
Also "was" is the operative term.
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