Quarterback Comparison

dawg2fan

@the-gipper said:

Tim Couch.....Sam Bradford. #1 overalls.....bad lines and injuries hamper career

I certainly agree with this comment. Too bad Couch didn't have an OL behind him here in Cleveland. I guess we'll never know what he could have accomplished.

The Gipper

Best Bill Nelsen highlight I could find.

The Gipper

I compared Brian Sipe to Tony Romo.......actually, someone else had a different QB comparison to Romo:

The Gipper

The Gipper

Here are some other QB comparison devices of Browns QBs in history, using PFR. First I will look at their CA ranking among all NFL players since a certain date which in PFR is basically their total career production average.

Then I will give their "Fan Elorating"......which I understand measures these players as if they were in like a Stratomatic Football game....in other words, the players with the lower numbers are the ones you would want to play in your "game".

Think of it as a kind of All Time Fantasy League rating, something like that. (If anyone else can interpret it, feel free)

Lastly....I will give the names of other QBs in history that PFR says had a similar career to that particular QB:

Otto Graham........does not have a CA or a player comparison as he played too early for those stats, which began about late 50s...but, face it....he would be in there with Montana, Brady etc.

.....but OG is rated #1 ever in the Fan Elorating. (again, kind of best ever in fantasy like points? Not exactly, but like that)

Milt Plum....#1257 in CA.......#277 in Fan Elorating.

....compares to: Bill Nelsen, Doug Flutie, Marc Bulger, Stan Humphries, Gary Danielson, Elvis Grbac, Jason Campbell

Frank Ryan....#403 in CA.....#647 in Fan Elorating (funny because he is like Top 5-10 in career TD %)

.....compares to: Brian Sipe, Jim Zorn, Neil Lomax, Matt Schaub, Ken O'Brien

Bill Nelsen....#1257 in CA....#1151 in Fan Elorating

.....compares to: Doug Williams, Doug Flutie, Marc Bulger, Stan Humphries, Gary Danielson, Chad Pennington

Mike Phipps....#2219 in CA.....Not ranked in FanElorating (I take this to mean he didn't rate in Top 1500 desirable players in this game)

.....compares to: Bubby Brister, Marc Wilson, Pat Haden, Mark Sanchez

Brian Sipe: #443 in CA.....#600 in Fan Elorating

.....compares to: Joe Flacco, Don Meredith, Ken O'Brien, Neil Lomax, Matt Schaub, Bernie Kosar

Paul McDonald....#5747 in CA not rated in Fan Elorating....not given career comparisons as career too short

Bernie Kosar.....#646 in CA.....ranked #764 in Fan Elorating

.....compares to: Brian Sipe, Ken O'Brien, Archie Manning, Tommy Kramer

Vinny.....#97 in CA ranked #564 in Fan Elorating. (fair to say despite long career with a lot of numbers....he is still not considered as good as Bernie or Sipe in his prime.

.....compares to: Craig Morton, Jim Hart, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins, Dave Kreig, Norm Snead....(long career guys)

Tim Couch....#3259 in CA Not rated in Fan Elorating

.....compares to Charlie Batch, Vince Young, Mark Sanchez, Mark Malone, Joey Harrington

The Gipper

And, I have had this argument with Z and others. Check this out....players with similar careers as Tom Brady:

sDan Marino*, John Elway*, Fran Tarkenton*, Brett Favre, Joe Montana*, Peyton Manning, Steve Young*, Dan Fouts*, Ken Anderson

Browns149

@the-gipper said:

And, I have had this argument with Z and others. Check this out....players with similar careers as Tom Brady:

sDan Marino*, John Elway*, Fran Tarkenton*, Brett Favre, Joe Montana*, Peyton Manning, Steve Young*, Dan Fouts*, Ken Anderson

Theonly guy on that list that has anywhere near the career as Brady is Montana.

The rest are on another lower level, even Elway

4 rings and greatness outweighs 2 rings and greatness all day long

Browns149

The way I look at is this............

If your team is in the Superbowl, what QB do you want on your side?

Montana is 1 and Brady is 2

3rd isn't even close and is a toss up between numerous guys

Aggie Brown fan

@the-gipper said:

And, I have had this argument with Z and others. Check this out....players with similar careers as Tom Brady:

sDan Marino*, John Elway*, Fran Tarkenton*, Brett Favre, Joe Montana*, Peyton Manning, Steve Young*, Dan Fouts*, Ken Anderson

This is laughable. Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

That's it.

The Gipper

@browns149 said:

Theonly guy on that list that has anywhere near the career as Brady is Montana.

The rest are on another lower level, even Elway

4 rings and greatness outweighs 2 rings and greatness all day long

Well, that is only if you are counting rings. Elway played in 6 SBs, same as Brady.

I think titles are a component....but not the be all end all.

Of course, if we are counting titles....and measuring who is the best of all time.....then the answer is simple:

It is Otto Graham.

Next is Bart Starr

And if you are just counting rings during the Super Bowl era.....then you have to Include Terry Bradshaw with Brady and Montana.

The Gipper

@aggie-brown-fan said:

This is laughable. Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

That's it.

That's it for what?

nickers

I watched both parts of that Browns Jets came.. I realize this was 45 years ago,, But if anyone watched.. You just had to be impressed with how well schooled Blanton Collier had everyone. I mean.. I was pretty amazed at all of the line shifting they did.. It was almost like orchestrated ballet. Both Namath and Nelson were dynamite passers.. too bad both of they're knees were shot by then.. but the zip on thier passes were incredibly crisp and accurate. Maybe we'll look like that again someday.

Aggie Brown fan

@the-gipper said:
That's it for what?

Thats the tops for the names you listed. All those other names don't belong with Brady and Montana.

Axe

@the-gipper said:

Best Bill Nelsen highlight I could find.

Thanks for posting this..

The days of my youth.. I vividly remember watching this game as a kid with my Dad and brothers..

The Gipper

@aggie-brown-fan said:
Thats the tops for the names you listed. All those other names don't belong with Brady and Montana.

So, you think a guy that led his team to 7 championships and a guy that led his team to 5 championships are not as good simply because you were not alive to see them play?

Again, I use a baseball analogy: Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Honus Wagner, Cy Yount, Ty Cobb.... all are not to be considered among the best that ever played because YOU were not alive to see them?