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2015 O-line Grades: Week 1 – NYJ

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  • Tour2ma Tour2maT In Memoriam Dedicated Conversation Starter Reacting Well Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done Very Popular
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    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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    Thanks, Ag...

    To be clear there were multiple plays where more than one "-" was dished out... only 7 in all, but a couple were real doozies including S1P4 which from JT to MS reads 0/D-/-/-/D- it was a middle run that gained a whole yard. It was against an 8 in the box look. The others made Joe's 0 look really good...

    Of the 7 multiple "-" plays... 4 were runs... 3 were passes.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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      FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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      Thanks for the time and patience you spent putting that together for us! Nice job - Very thorough.

      Great point about under-estimating the Jets front in the absence of Richardson. Not that 2 wrongs make a right; but I joined you in doing that. I thought we'd be dictating a lot more than we did. I also under-estimated how good the Jets' Oline is beginning with forgetting what a stud Nick Mangold is in particular. Danny held his own against him and made some nice plays here and there. That said, anytime you expose a rookie to facing double-teams that include Nick Mangold - it's a challenging day at the office for a rookie. You couldn't ask for a better learning experience than that. During the preseason, Danny turned a lot of doubleteams into Raggedy Ann and Andy so I think week 1 was an invaluable experience for him. There's a reason this guy played 82% of his teams snaps in 2014 when he weighed 360-370 lbs. He got down to 330 lbs in the pre-draft preparations so I'm thinking he's projecting even better muscular endurance in 2015 even if he's added back some weight. Shelton did a lot of magic on 3rd downs in 2014, which is one of many reason he was so intriguing to me. He did that again early in the game on 3rd and 4th down when we stopped NY. NY's entire line did well whether they run blocked or pass protected. I think they can surprise a lot more teams than us.

      Also, I'm glad you pointed out the hands to the face episodes that received the blind eye from the zebras as well as some missed offsides that could have been called on a day the same officiating crew seemed all too happy to throw 12 flags on us. They made us try a point after attempt 3 freakin times to the extent I Coons needed to be good from 48 yards out. Frank Wycheck has complained about the ref we just had repeatedly on the local sports radio station here in Nashville. He said this guy consistently loses sight of the spirit of the rules in terms of calling something like holding on the opposite side of the field or 40 yards behind the guy scoring the TD he's liking his chops to impact. And then, he/his crew will miss a blatant encroachment or someone lining up in the neutral zone while making sure they bust the blocker assigned to that guy for holding.

      I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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        BrownsnMoparB BrownsnMopar wrote on last edited by
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        Thanks Tour!!! A job well done! And a great read! This is fun

        Stuff for all us diehards! GO BROWNS!!!

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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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          Really GREAT stuff, Tour !

          And it seemed that the Jets took to stopping the run at any cost,

          and put pressure on Manziel with blitzes and disguised coverages..

          and the Browns weren't ready for that just yet.

          We should see huge improvement vs Tenn. Without Bowe in the lineup -

          it hurts with no big target, making the release of Pryor all the more confusing,

          the Jets didn't seem to worry about the Browns' passing game much. The lb's kept

          creeping close to the los...

          We know our oline is solid now - the wr's and JM have to step it up, and Dray

          needs to catch the football.........

          and stepping on a rake? That was LOL.

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            W wargograw wrote on last edited by
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            Before I read this I need to know what a "D" is. I reviewed the grading keys at the beginning several times and couldn't figure it out. Didn't want to go through it without knowing.

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              OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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              Really nice Tour. Thanks for posting. It is interesting to see a breakdown analysis of the game like this. As a fan watching the game sometimes things aren't what they seem to be from watching on television.

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                Thanks all for the kind words...

                war,

                The "D" stands for Double... explanation was lacking so I added this to the "System" Intro:

                •If an assignment was key to the success or failure of a given play the grade may be doubled. A doubling is signified by the letter "D", e.g., D+ or D-.

                OBF,

                I cannot overstate how much more I see in this exercise. Try as I might while watching a game live to focus on any particular aspect of the game, I just can't sustain it... I turn into a fan. So why fight it... I pour a beer, log into The Tavern and (hopefully) have a blast every Sunday.

                "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                  Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                  Thanks for putting this together Tour.

                  Stellar job!

                  Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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                    IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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                    Always look forward to this. Was particularly curious to see the grade on Mack. The blurry eye test of mine detected that something was amiss. I appreciated the encouraging viewpoint you brought up from his sub par performance.

                    Am l wrong, or was Erving in the game filling in for Greco a good chunk of the game? If so, his large non factor grade makes me wonder if we were steering plays away from his side.

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                      Thanks again, guys...

                      Hopefully Mack was simply rusty.

                      Erving only filled in for Greco on 2 plays. But he reported as an eligible receiver and lined up as a TE at least twice.

                      One thing I think we all have to remember is that the O-line started slow last year. I can check, but off of the top of my head I think it was Game 3 before things really started to come together for them.

                      Could be one of the reasons that the Wide Zone runs have not appeared yet as they require even more coordination and communication than the stretch and middle zones that dominated game one.

                      Of course last year was year one of the "new", Shanny ZBS, so it may be reasonable to expect a little faster ramp up this year. Especially if Flip's scheme is as similar as was being billed through OTAs and Camps.

                      "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                      • Tour2maT Tour2ma

                        Thanks all for the kind words...

                        war,

                        The "D" stands for Double... explanation was lacking so I added this to the "System" Intro:

                        •If an assignment was key to the success or failure of a given play the grade may be doubled. A doubling is signified by the letter "D", e.g., D+ or D-.

                        OBF,

                        I cannot overstate how much more I see in this exercise. Try as I might while watching a game live to focus on any particular aspect of the game, I just can't sustain it... I turn into a fan. So why fight it... I pour a beer, log into The Tavern and (hopefully) have a blast every Sunday.

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                        T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                        @tour2ma said:

                        Thanks all for the kind words...

                        Try as I might while watching a game live to focus on any particular aspect of the game, I just can't sustain it... I turn into a fan. So why fight it... I pour a beer, log into The Tavern and (hopefully) have a blast every Sunday.

                        LOL! Welcome aboard. It is just kind of fun to put the tavern on the computer in my lap while watching the game. I find that the play only rewind works very well for later viewing which gets rid of all the "chatter" from the "expert" announcers. Got my Browns T-shirt from mik on and ready for another fun Sunday.

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