Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Manziel came into the league totally delusional. He was going to stroll in without doing any hard work and game preparation and be a good NFL quarterback. Maybe 30-40 years ago a quarterback could do that but not in today's NFL. Manziel is a smart guy and made the adjustments. He has worked hard and we see the results on the field. He is only going to get better with the work ethic and attitude he has now.
Manziel came into the league totally delusional. He was going to stroll in without doing any hard work and game preparation and be a good NFL quarterback. Maybe 30-40 years ago a quarterback could do that but not in today's NFL.
You mean like at the 50 second mark of this?
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I am fully not looking forward to him starting this week, tbh, if that changes anything. I have to prep myself for vile comments about him on this board, and a bunch of idiotic, ignorant comments about the Browns, Flip, Pettine, our receivers, our offensive line, our defense, and the city of Cleveland on the A&M board. I hope that, as it has this week, most of the discussion at least here is level-headed.People want to see how he will do in his first full game.....after a year under his belt.....after rehab.
I don't know that overly excited is the right term. (perhaps for a few Johnny fanboys).
Overly curious is more like it.
He is, after all, right now, THE starting Quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.....and we want anyone holding that position to do well.
If it were Austin Davis, I would be equally curious.
If things turn bad....we may see Ausome Austin in there, no?
I am fully not looking forward to him starting this week, tbh, if that changes anything. I have to prep myself for vile comments about him on this board, and a bunch of idiotic, ignorant comments about the Browns, Flip, Pettine, our receivers, our offensive line, our defense, and the city of Cleveland on the A&M board. I hope that, as it has this week, most of the discussion at least here is level-headed.
Really? Like we give a shit what a bunch of goat ropers think of this city?
Notwithstanding.....the city was beautiful this weekend. Perfect weather. Alive and hopping. Incredible vistas.
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I'll be disappointed if they don't start the kid next week honestly. I suspect many fans and media will be disappointed too.
I don't really think he's better than McCown at this point, but as long as he stays smart he gives us a chance to win. So I'd rather see the 22 y/o out there instead of the 36 y/o rent-a-QB who is probably gonna go to his 10th, 11th,12th (whatever) team after the seasons over.
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Mack's head is already elsewhere if you ask me
Mack's head is already elsewhere if you ask me
Perhaps lingering issues from his broken leg? What else could it be. He is a Pro Bowl talent ordinarily.
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Oakland just took Baltimore to the woodshed. A team we've historically struggled against.
No such things 'x' team sucks in the NFL. As coach Pettine said, 'its hard to get a win in this league'.
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Mack's head is already elsewhere if you ask me
Mack's head is already elsewhere if you ask me
If that's the case playing horribly before you hit free-agency isn't doing yourself any favors. I'm guessing he's missed a lot of time from his injury and maybe it'll take him a bit longer to get into pro-bowl form.
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cmon guys...Mack isnt horrible or scary bad.....sheesh.....
Maybe not playing A+ ball....I agree......but still holding his own......got a few plays he'd like back, Im sure.....but lets not get carried away with the "he sucks" stuff.....just isnt true.....
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Tour, crazy day and a half so I put this reply off.
Don't know how you got their grade at 3.6?
I'm surprised they're not independent as well, but as for your Olympic system, I think PFF only has three guys that look at the film, so to toss out the high and low would leave you with just one guy.
Your analysis is more in depth than mine, for now. I post on my grades thread the total grades for each player, the run blocking grade, and the pass blocking grade. Then how many positive and negative plays they had (like PFF, 0 is the most common grade). I also state how many positive and negative plays they had as a unit. I don't know if I could ever break down each play on the post. I'm already at 5+ hours per game so that would take forever for me. Looking at your post tells me I need to start counting and recording the box numbers on each play. On A&M's bye week coming up I may go ahead and grade the Browns just for fun and to see how we compare.
I know the code you posted is merely an example and I know you said you don't even look at it anymore, but I'm curious why you even did in the first place? Is there a significant effect on line grading based on the distribution of the 5 non-QB/OL players outside of when the TE or back is blocking?
Don't know how you got their grade at 3.6?
On A&M's bye week coming up I may go ahead and grade the Browns just for fun and to see how we compare.
I know the code you posted is merely an example and I know you said you don't even look at it anymore, but I'm curious why you even did in the first place? Is there a significant effect on line grading based on the distribution of the 5 non-QB/OL players outside of when the TE or back is blocking?
For the 3.6 I simply added the individual numbers you reported assuming that's how they'd get a final number. Erroneous? Bad Math?
The compare would be welcome...
As for the code... no, would not need it to grade the line. And while I do not analyze the info that code contains, it does help recreate the play in my mind if I address the play. I do the same for:
- backfield, e.g., I, PIR (power I-right), SB (single back), etc., and;
- TEs, e.g., 2TE, 2TER, TESR (1TE split right), TEWL (1 TE wide left), etc.
Jotting down all the formation bits takes maybe 10 seconds. Motion and/or shifts another couple seconds.
But yes, the time adds up very quickly...
I really don't see how you can bench Johnny now? It would be a huge blow to his confidence if they did.
Disappointment would be a given, but, unlike last year, it seems JM respects the QB he is listed behind in the depth chart. And that would go a long way towards minimizing that... and eliminating any possibility of anger or resentment.
But I'm not seeing "huge blow to confidence" potential unless Pet/ Flip are the world's worst messengers... or JM is still in a very fragile state of mind. I see no signs of either.
Missing an opportunity to build on the surge of Game-2 confidence JM has? That is the possibility I see. But it has to be weighed against the possibility that the next game could be more like his Jets showing than his Titan one. In part because the team's showing might be more Jet-like.
Next up is Oakland. They seem more Titan-like at first blush, but so did the Jets in my mind... until we played the Jets. I do expect the Raiders will be a tougher win than the Titans.
Before naming a starter there's tape to break down and game plans to be made. Once done the chances of JM building on his success can be appraised.
If they look good? Sit McCown for "precautionary reasons".
If not... welcome back Josh...
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I am fully not looking forward to him starting this week, tbh, if that changes anything. I have to prep myself for vile comments about him on this board, and a bunch of idiotic, ignorant comments about the Browns, Flip, Pettine, our receivers, our offensive line, our defense, and the city of Cleveland on the A&M board. I hope that, as it has this week, most of the discussion at least here is level-headed.
Really? Like we give a shit what a bunch of goat ropers think of this city?
Notwithstanding.....the city was beautiful this weekend. Perfect weather. Alive and hopping. Incredible vistas.
Really? Like we give a shit what a bunch of goat ropers think of this city?
Notwithstanding.....the city was beautiful this weekend. Perfect weather. Alive and hopping. Incredible vistas.
Goat ropers? Really? I never met any when I was there. Now sheep fuckers.
.......................that's a different story altogether. 
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The raiders have given up 33 points exactly in both games so far, at home. We should be able to score on them, as long as we can deal with Mack and Tuck. Stopping their run will be key, and I think Haden will be fine with Cooper, Williams with Crabtree. I see a W.
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I am a fan of whomever can play QB for the Cleveland Browns and win games.
And you know why I am hoping it is JMZ? Because he is the current top QB prospect we have going for this team. And I hope he can do it for the next 10-12 years. (I mean....how long have Brady/Brees/Eli/BR/Rivers been playing for their team?)
If he isn't....and we have to on to Austin Davis....so be it. I just don't want o wait another 2 years to find "the guy".
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I've been as critical of Sideshow Johnny as anyone on here. But I have to admit he's starting to grow on me a little. We have a favorable matchup next week against Oakland that I believe would be a perfect fit for Manziel to take advantage of. I'd start him again to build his confidence and see if we have a trend starting. I think we all have to admit, the little fucker played like a Brown yesterday.
GO BROWNS !!!
I've been as critical of Sideshow Johnny as anyone on here. But I have to admit he's starting to grow on me a little. We have a favorable matchup next week against Oakland that I believe would be a perfect fit for Manziel to take advantage of. I'd start him again to build his confidence and see if we have a trend starting. I think we all have to admit, the little fucker played like a Brown yesterday.
As anyone?
Hey, what's was not to like this week??? no turnovers... two TD bombs... no money signs...
cmon guys...Mack isnt horrible or scary bad.....sheesh.....
Maybe not playing A+ ball....I agree......but still holding his own......got a few plays he'd like back, Im sure.....but lets not get carried away with the "he sucks" stuff.....just isnt true.....
Dammit, Mud... You cannot be reasonable on overreaction Monday!
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I've been as critical of Sideshow Johnny as anyone on here. But I have to admit he's starting to grow on me a little. We have a favorable matchup next week against Oakland that I believe would be a perfect fit for Manziel to take advantage of. I'd start him again to build his confidence and see if we have a trend starting. I think we all have to admit, the little fucker played like a Brown yesterday.
As anyone?
Hey, what's was not to like this week??? no turnovers... two TD bombs... no money signs...
cmon guys...Mack isnt horrible or scary bad.....sheesh.....
Maybe not playing A+ ball....I agree......but still holding his own......got a few plays he'd like back, Im sure.....but lets not get carried away with the "he sucks" stuff.....just isnt true.....
Dammit, Mud... You cannot be reasonable on overreaction Monday!
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Really? Like we give a shit what a bunch of goat ropers think of this city?
Notwithstanding.....the city was beautiful this weekend. Perfect weather. Alive and hopping. Incredible vistas.
Goat ropers? Really? I never met any when I was there. Now sheep fuckers.
.......................that's a different story altogether. Goat ropers? Really? I never met any when I was there. Now sheep fuckers.
.......................that's a different story altogether. I thought more like steer fuckers.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Really? Like we give a shit what a bunch of goat ropers think of this city?
Notwithstanding.....the city was beautiful this weekend. Perfect weather. Alive and hopping. Incredible vistas.
Goat ropers? Really? I never met any when I was there. Now sheep fuckers.
.......................that's a different story altogether. Goat ropers? Really? I never met any when I was there. Now sheep fuckers.
.......................that's a different story altogether. Well, you are obviously more familiar with the perversions of the Texas Hill folk.
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Goat ropers? Really? I never met any when I was there. Now sheep fuckers.
.......................that's a different story altogether. I thought more like steer fuckers.
I thought more like steer fuckers.
Actually, Dumb Ass Texans basically hits it on the head.
I mean, look....when you are asked to come up with a name for a new team in your state, and the best they can find is a name that has already been used 3 times earlier....and all it is is the name of the state itself? Those are some prime cut DumbAsses.
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I am a fan of whomever can play QB for the Cleveland Browns and win games.
And you know why I am hoping it is JMZ? Because he is the current top QB prospect we have going for this team. And I hope he can do it for the next 10-12 years. (I mean....how long have Brady/Brees/Eli/BR/Rivers been playing for their team?)
If he isn't....and we have to on to Austin Davis....so be it. I just don't want o wait another 2 years to find "the guy".
I am a fan of whomever can play QB for the Cleveland Browns and win games.
And you know why I am hoping it is JMZ? Because he is the current top QB prospect we have going for this team. And I hope he can do it for the next 10-12 years. (I mean....how long have Brady/Brees/Eli/BR/Rivers been playing for their team?)
If he isn't....and we have to on to Austin Davis....so be it. I just don't want o wait another 2 years to find "the guy".
Same here. I'll always root for our team players. It is easier to root for him now that he's matured and his lover boys have all but fled the forum. I'm sure they'll start pouring back in soon.
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dude. we beat the titans at home. love what the kid did yesterday but it's like betting on a hot horse....cool your jets (loss) before we anoint him king shit.
i'd still draft QB #1 next year.
dude. we beat the titans at home. love what the kid did yesterday but it's like betting on a hot horse....cool your jets (loss) before we anoint him king shit.
i'd still draft QB #1 next year.
Ah, the reverse jinx-that should be good for a win over Oakland. Keep it going mik.
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