Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Pet in his 9-21 presser...
On continuing to start JM to see what he's got because we can't afford to wait another year... at least that's the jist of a fairly inaudible question...
Pet: "We are tasked with winning football games. And the decisions we make are what gives us the best opportunity to win this Sunday. I know that on the outside those things get brought into it.
We've already seen... circumstances have come about for us to get an evaluation of him. So we are not going to use a season and look at it that way... say "hey, we need to know." We think over the natural course of events we'll find out."
Begins with questions at ~05:20 mark of: http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Mike_Pettine_Full_Press_Conference_921_/8eb69fca-a731-4d54-804b-4470ee490fe9
Seems kinda definitive...
EDIT: At 14:24 mark Pet gets asked a follow up on whether he feels he has to try to mitigate a QB controversy here... essence of answer was:
My concern is inside the building... if that's outside, nothing I can do about it.
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Flip better be drawing up some decoy plays with Benji clearing out and dragging two DB's with him and getting Gabriel in one on one. Would be nice to see someone hit him in stride this year instead of him having to turn around and field a lob...
More of the same from the defense. Hit Carr everytime he drops back to pass.
Johnny Phooseball... Hold onto the damn ball and we are good to go!
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What makes you think he has hairs on the back of his neck?
Agree that there's a shot this week that JM gets the start, but fan pressure will have nothing to do with the decision and the "hand over the season" odds just took it in the teeth.
Other thing that surprised me somewhat in the Presser was how negative Pet was concerning the fumbles. Went right to the two-game total and not just the 2 vs. the Titans.
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Around the 9:10 area of the presser Pet says concerning his interactions with JM in practice, "You love being around guys that have that it factor, that are competitors, that love to win, that love football that love talking about it."
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Never wanted him. I was a Bortles fan. And last year just burned. But once you become a Cleveland Brown there's zero reason not to root and cheer for you. Even more now that it looks like he's getting it together. I still don't know if he's the long term answer but he did enough on the field (and it sounds like he's doing it off the field as well) to make me want to see him stay in the starting line up.
It's a little bizzare. McCown didn't look bad preseason and that 1st drive but would he show more if he's back with the 1's? Pet seems obsessed with the ground and pound so maybe McCown would be the safer bet.
Screw it. Manziel has earned another home start. The crowd will be scary.
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The fact that some of the most wait and see long time posters/mods here enjoyed the real Johnny Football...............................is exactly why I came to this board. Regardless of where it goes it is one hell of a carnival ride and when it all goes right you find yourself saying things like "amazing, holy shit, where'd that come from, didn't see that coming" etc. It brings the fun back into football for a fan base long on patience and short of having fun watching the game.
Yeah, there might be a wrong turn here and there, but no one can ever take away the joy of watching that little fucker escape a sure hard hit sack and thrown a dagger into the heart of the opponent at the perfect time in the game. Glad you all got to feel it.
I will never forget being at the Mo. game in 2012 with the Heisman on the line he went down with a knee injury just before halftime. The crowd went absolutely silent while he was down and then started the chant in unison, "Johnny, Johnny, Johnny" until he got up and slowly limped off the field. He returned with a knee brace and put on a show of TD's like I have never experienced "live" before.
Now on to the next game.
The fact that some of the most wait and see long time posters/mods here enjoyed the real Johnny Football...............................is exactly why I came to this board. Regardless of where it goes it is one hell of a carnival ride and when it all goes right you find yourself saying things like "amazing, holy shit, where'd that come from, didn't see that coming" etc. It brings the fun back into football for a fan base long on patience and short of having fun watching the game.
Yeah, there might be a wrong turn here and there, but no one can ever take away the joy of watching that little fucker escape a sure hard hit sack and thrown a dagger into the heart of the opponent at the perfect time in the game. Glad you all got to feel it.
Now on to the next game.
OK, I hope you've come down from cloud nine by now.
The red is us Browns fans that have seen far too many flash in the pans. Eric Zeier, Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson. So us old cynics want to see more than one decent game.
Couple of items: Yup we won- which is better than losing. Nice bombs to Benji Johnny.
MHO- and around 90% of the voters in the ESPN Cleveland poll think Manziel earned the start against the Raiders. We know McCown isn't the future- and it greatly behooves the Browns to find out if JFF is. Pettine was noncommittal in his Press Conference today, and he's previously stated- there's only so much you can learn sitting on the bench. I've posted elsewhere- JFF apparently has had a lifestyle and attitude transplant- and it's showing up in his (vastly) improved play on the field. He still has a long way to go though.
FWIW, my co season ticket holder opined that Marcus Mariotta's ceiling is higher than Johnny's.
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What is the record (not counting Methuselah) for the longest living human being? I'm willing to accommodate.
PS-I waited from age 10 in 1957 when we got our first Heisman until 2012 when we got our second. So at least old dog does not have to learn a new trick.
You got to see JDC in person?! Awesome!
You got to see JDC in person?! Awesome!
Too dumb to understand it then, but yes I went to the 1956 first win ever over the Longhorns in Memorial Stadium in Austin. I was only 9 so I did not recall all the details other than it was high scoring for that era (34-21). Crow (HB) and Pardee (FB and LB) were unstoppable that day.
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The fact that some of the most wait and see long time posters/mods here enjoyed the real Johnny Football...............................is exactly why I came to this board. Regardless of where it goes it is one hell of a carnival ride and when it all goes right you find yourself saying things like "amazing, holy shit, where'd that come from, didn't see that coming" etc. It brings the fun back into football for a fan base long on patience and short of having fun watching the game.
Yeah, there might be a wrong turn here and there, but no one can ever take away the joy of watching that little fucker escape a sure hard hit sack and thrown a dagger into the heart of the opponent at the perfect time in the game. Glad you all got to feel it.
Now on to the next game.
OK, I hope you've come down from cloud nine by now.
The red is us Browns fans that have seen far too many flash in the pans. Eric Zeier, Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson. So us old cynics want to see more than one decent game.
Couple of items: Yup we won- which is better than losing. Nice bombs to Benji Johnny.
MHO- and around 90% of the voters in the ESPN Cleveland poll think Manziel earned the start against the Raiders. We know McCown isn't the future- and it greatly behooves the Browns to find out if JFF is. Pettine was noncommittal in his Press Conference today, and he's previously stated- there's only so much you can learn sitting on the bench. I've posted elsewhere- JFF apparently has had a lifestyle and attitude transplant- and it's showing up in his (vastly) improved play on the field. He still has a long way to go though.
FWIW, my co season ticket holder opined that Marcus Mariotta's ceiling is higher than Johnny's.
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Faded said:
I think he likes Manziel, and likes things about Manziel. He just can't quite accept that, after clawing his way up through the coaching ranks, starting with an 8 year high school stint, to assume his position as one of the chosen 32 NFL elite, that now he has to tie his fortunes to this unpredictable, devil-may-care kid who hasn't quite been able to clear up his acne yet, but thinks nothing about heaving a 50 yard improvisation with the game on the line.
Most of these guys are control freaks, or they wouldn't have gotten to where they are.
LOL-Sumlin can be his empathetic counselor. He had the same reservations with that redshirt freshman, but took a chance over a more established soph (now on the Dallas PS). All it got Sumlin was the best A&M season record and highest ranking since Bear Bryant days in the 50's and a Heisman QB that has landed him not 1, but three 5***** rated QB's spaced one year apart. Oh, and a little ole trophy from whipping up on his Oklahoma mentor in the Cotton Bowl with a new $5mil per year contract to boot.
At least Pet has come to call it "Vintage Manziel" and can admit there is actually something called "an IT factor".
Farve was exactly the same and was JM's idol growing up.
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Jets are going to be a force on D, and until Geno Smith gets back they'll continue to be in a lot of games and win a lot of them. Of course, once the Geno-coaster takes over they'll be sunk, but for now they look good. Eagles next for them -if the 'boys can hold their backs to -2 yards on 15 carries (a moment to appreciate that shit show please) then the Jets will just destroy them.
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This is a really, really good post. Probably more true than anything else we have said on here RE: Pettine's and how he views Manziel and McCown.Faded said:
I think he likes Manziel, and likes things about Manziel. He just can't quite accept that, after clawing his way up through the coaching ranks, starting with an 8 year high school stint, to assume his position as one of the chosen 32 NFL elite, that now he has to tie his fortunes to this unpredictable, devil-may-care kid who hasn't quite been able to clear up his acne yet, but thinks nothing about heaving a 50 yard improvisation with the game on the line.
Most of these guys are control freaks, or they wouldn't have gotten to where they are.
I trust Pettine's decision, whether he starts Johnny or McCown, because both make sense to me. Johnny is doing all the right things and improving. If he needs more time in coaching staff's eyes I'll support them until (if) McCown shits his pants.
The progress JM has made will be comforting for Pettine if he has to decide to bench McCown like he did Hoyer last year. I think Manziel has earned a lot of trust back after making them look stupid last year for starting him.
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Pettine has got to see it coming. JM responded well with full week of prep going into Titians, but damn Flipo open up the playbook and get more people involved & things in sync with others. McCown still in protocol move JM forward in playbook and trust what you see. A decision must be made with JM on the field. Mentor's agreed to mentor move JM forward.
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depending on what the coach's status is with their owner and hierarchy.... they probably don't give a rat's ass about what the fans want. BUT go down 0 and 2 on a team with so much 'promise' going into the season and see those coaches start to sweat.
o'brien and kelly cuz they haven't won anything yet in their careers as nfl head coaches. love what is going on in seattle LOL.
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I agree faded but before they can do that he has to fix the fumble problem. He even admitted he fumbled with both hands on the ball in the Titans game and could not understand what had gone wrong. Pet will not entrust him until he has that totally under control. We all know turnovers kill. On the other side of the coin, Josh also fumbled on the goal line doing his best JF imitation. So that puts Pet in a bit of a decision quandary doesn't it.
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i can't remember seeing manziel getting windmilled in mid-air and taking a helmet shot on the side of his head yet.......
laying in the endzone like he was dead? yes. windmilled? no.
isn't it great??
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OK, I guess it is going over my head...or I have forgotte. What is IIRC?
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poG loved carr and out of all of them i think i was pulling for the CB (see where that got me). carr will be just fine. it's the franchise that sucks.
but i'm sure that's what they say about us, so........
a brown's joke in oakland must be the only thing they can pull out of their hat.
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What is the record (not counting Methuselah) for the longest living human being? I'm willing to accommodate.
PS-I waited from age 10 in 1957 when we got our first Heisman until 2012 when we got our second. So at least old dog does not have to learn a new trick.
You got to see JDC in person?! Awesome!
You got to see JDC in person?! Awesome!
That would be John David Crow for those who don't know. Last Heisman winner at TAMU before Johnny. I was too young to see him in college.....but I remember him being a pretty good player for the St. Louis Cardinals.
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I recall very few that were in love with Carr here. PoeticG being the biggest advocate.
Stats aside, I think Carr, Teddy, and Bortles all have a decent chance of becoming quality franchise guys for awhile. Hopefully Manziel fits in too, but we haven't seen enough yet.
PoG should be on the Browns scouting team. Anyone he likes (carr, Richardson to name a few) sucks so all we need to do is avoid his favorite players.I recall very few that were in love with Carr here. PoeticG being the biggest advocate.
Stats aside, I think Carr, Teddy, and Bortles all have a decent chance of becoming quality franchise guys for awhile. Hopefully Manziel fits in too, but we haven't seen enough yet.
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