McCown Starts
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The Browns will be like 2-7 or 3-9 and then Pettine will play Manziel once the season is broken.
Haslem will fire Farmer/Pettine at the end of the year and bring in 2 new guys to make incredibly stupid decisions.
YOU FUCKING START MANZIEL, HE HAS ALL the MOMENTUM
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I am surprised that most of the talking heads aren't seeing this as a close call rather than thinking it is a slam dunk that Manziel should start. Good arguments can be made on both quarterbacks to start but the deciding factor to me for starting McCown is that it is the right thing to do. He played like a Brown and got injured and that should not cost him his job.
He played like a Brown and got injured and that should not cost him his job.
Getting his head taken off and fumbling sure does sound about right in regards to "playing like a Brown"
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If McCown was to lose his starting job due to injury and going all out on a play to score a touchdown at the 2 yard line I hate to think about the message that would send to other players on the team. In the back of their minds they would have to think if they laid it all out on the field and got injured it could cost them their starting job.
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Josh McCown is a career back up that's DONE NOTHING his whole career
Manziel is a young 1st rounder who's starting to get hot and we put him on the bench.
Makes sense, Cleveland gonna Cleveland.
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He played like a Brown and got injured and that should not cost him his job.
Getting his head taken off and fumbling sure does sound about right in regards to "playing like a Brown"
Getting his head taken off and fumbling sure does sound about right in regards to "playing like a Brown"
I would argue that fumbling at the opponent 1-yard line and giving them the ball back at their own 35 (after personal foul) negated everything good about that first drive.
That first drive we came away with nothing and the Jets got all the momentum - directly due to McCown's actions. So I agree I wouldn't defend the quality of that first drive.
I "understand" why McCown is still the starter, even though I don't agree with it. I wasn't real happy when we signed McCown to begin with though.
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Ouch! Worst comment on NFL Network? "This is just the Browns being the Browns"
It is a lame comment.....to be sure.....
Browns being the Browns would be throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.....like investing an entire off season, training camp and preseason devising a plan to use McCown as the QB, while developing Johnny.......then throwing it all out after one series, because McCown got a headache and then Johnny played an "ok" game.....
How about sticking to the plan for more than a few minutes?.....THAT would be the NEW Browns being the NEW Browns
It is a lame comment.....to be sure.....
Browns being the Browns would be throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.....like investing an entire off season, training camp and preseason devising a plan to use McCown as the QB, while developing Johnny.......then throwing it all out after one series, because McCown got a headache and then Johnny played an "ok" game.....
How about sticking to the plan for more than a few minutes?.....THAT would be the NEW Browns being the NEW Browns
Browns being the Browns means having perhaps the greatest coach/QB/RB in the history of the game.
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Pettine always talks about all work up to now and Josh had won the starting role up until the injury. I am not sitting in the Browns team facilities where I think veterans have some input. I back Pettine' s decision. Had there been no fumbles then I might disagree, but there were. Continue the plan to develop JM behind the veteran. Bring him in when there is a time to do so, hopefully when we have good leads like other teams did for their eventual starters. It may be old school, but then so am I.
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Well....kind of surprised, but then again, not really.....In the long run, probably the smart move.....
1) QB shouldnt lose his job because of an injury......sends the wrong message...
2) McCown has looked good so far, so why not give him a chance to show his stuff(he earned it, right?)
3) Johnny, while playing better, didnt exactly light it up....basically 2 great passes and a bunch of average....
4) Based upon the little Josh has played, it looks like he'll get whacked again(soon enough)....JF will get another shot...
5) IF McCown plays poorly, it's an easy switch to Johnny.....but....
6) If Johnny played poorly, it would be a nasty negative back step to pull him and put Josh back in......
I say......GO JOSH!!!!!!!
Well....kind of surprised, but then again, not really.....In the long run, probably the smart move.....
1) QB shouldnt lose his job because of an injury......sends the wrong message...
2) McCown has looked good so far, so why not give him a chance to show his stuff(he earned it, right?)
3) Johnny, while playing better, didnt exactly light it up....basically 2 great passes and a bunch of average....
4) Based upon the little Josh has played, it looks like he'll get whacked again(soon enough)....JF will get another shot...
5) IF McCown plays poorly, it's an easy switch to Johnny.....but....
6) If Johnny played poorly, it would be a nasty negative back step to pull him and put Josh back in......
I say......GO JOSH!!!!!!!
Well said. I also liked OldBrownsFan's "Play like a Brown comment".
I'm all in for the Browns & we'll see what happens.
Mike
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Another possible interpretation: That Pettine still sees JFF as still immature, and this is intended to lower whatever ego boost Johnny got from his first win. In essence he is saying to JFF:
"You ain't there yet kid". Its like his rehab....just because he was sober for a week does not mean he is "cured".
Johnny needs more "curing" ....in multiple senses of the term.
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Another possible interpretation: That Pettine still sees JFF as still immature, and this is intended to lower whatever ego boost Johnny got from his first win. In essence he is saying to JFF:
"You ain't there yet kid". Its like his rehab....just because he was sober for a week does not mean he is "cured".
Johnny needs more "curing" ....in multiple senses of the term.
Another possible interpretation: That Pettine still sees JFF as still immature, and this is intended to lower whatever ego boost Johnny got from his first win. In essence he is saying to JFF:
"You ain't there yet kid". Its like his rehab....just because he was sober for a week does not mean he is "cured".
Johnny needs more "curing" ....in multiple senses of the term.
Why in hell would any coach want to lower a positive from getting a win with his team? I can't see that Gip. You gotta have carrots, not just sticks.
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Smart decision. If not for the bomb to Travis, Johnny would have been 1-4 in second half passing. That speaks to the game plan of sitting on a lead and not having complete trust in your young QB.
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Either that or stupid ass play calling.
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Another possible interpretation: That Pettine still sees JFF as still immature, and this is intended to lower whatever ego boost Johnny got from his first win. In essence he is saying to JFF:
"You ain't there yet kid". Its like his rehab....just because he was sober for a week does not mean he is "cured".
Johnny needs more "curing" ....in multiple senses of the term.
Why in hell would any coach want to lower a positive from getting a win with his team? I can't see that Gip. You gotta have carrots, not just sticks.
Why in hell would any coach want to lower a positive from getting a win with his team? I can't see that Gip. You gotta have carrots, not just sticks.
Maybe Pet sees that Johnny is not quite prepared either mentally or emotionally to deal with success.
Again....he probably has better insight to the situation than anyone.....so maybe he feels this is best for Johnny.
Sorry, but I still think it possible that JMZ is still in a fragile, delicate state emotionally, and that Pettine sees this as best for him.....in addition to feeling that McCown still gives the Browns the better chance to win.
Honestly, it is all speculation on our parts.
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Our D needs to keep getting better as does our run game, and it will usually take more than 8 completions a game to win. Pet was quoted this week saying that "he was only interested in winning, and not developing Johnny". I like Pet and trust his decision, no matter which QB he starts.
During that 90yd drive, McCown looked solid as hell against what we now know is a stingy Jets D. Hopefully he can continue to perform like that, and if he does we will win a lot of games.
I won't lose a second of sleep knowing McCown is starting, while some of you will slit your wrists.
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Going with the safer bet short term while potentially screwing themselves long term.
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At 12:20pm EST, the NFL Network is going to carry Pet's press conference live......
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Going with the safer bet short term while potentially screwing themselves long term.
Going with the safer bet short term while potentially screwing themselves long term.
Oh? How is that?
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Going with the safer bet short term while potentially screwing themselves long term.
Oh? How is that?
Oh? How is that?
Playing McCown likely wins more games this season but he is not a young guy. Playing Johnny lets the staff know exactly what they have in him. If he does well, great. If he stinks up the joint, you know that drafting a QB is a very real possibility.
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Why in hell would any coach want to lower a positive from getting a win with his team? I can't see that Gip. You gotta have carrots, not just sticks.
Maybe Pet sees that Johnny is not quite prepared either mentally or emotionally to deal with success.
Again....he probably has better insight to the situation than anyone.....so maybe he feels this is best for Johnny.
Sorry, but I still think it possible that JMZ is still in a fragile, delicate state emotionally, and that Pettine sees this as best for him.....in addition to feeling that McCown still gives the Browns the better chance to win.
Honestly, it is all speculation on our parts.
Maybe Pet sees that Johnny is not quite prepared either mentally or emotionally to deal with success.
Again....he probably has better insight to the situation than anyone
I make my living as a coach and I like to say........ Parents see the tip of the iceberg, coaches see the whole iceberg - D Bone
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