McCown Starts
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I was hoping JF would get the start, but McCown put in the 1st team reps this offseason. JF had some good deep passes, but teams will figure that shit out. Josh is not a rock star by any means, but he can see the field better at this time. This week is all about our D. Oakland beat up on Baltimore, and I hope it does not happen to us.
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bringbackbrownie, they made a Super Bowl...
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DHBF, that is excessive.
Guess I'm the only one who doesn't know what that stand for..........
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banned? Lol...I thought your punk ass was banned from here and barfing hard.
Sorry to disappoint. I see that you're still contributing the top quality banter you're known for...
I'll admit, I got bored with the myopic, simplistic fanspeak arguments.
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Sports media is just like news media, the stations want $$
Johnny manziel = $
Insert the Johnny hype machine narrative for broadcasters..
And ignore the fact that josh McCown went 90 yards against a like to be 3-0 jets team.
Give Johnny as much time as possible, because once he takes the reigns he's our franchise qb we've been waiting for.
When's the last time teams came back on us in the second half and our QUARTERBACK saves the day and clinches the win..
Brian Hoyer a couple times last year.. But he's no franchise qb.
Johnny is our Brett Favre.. Can't wait
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I'm not even sure it was the safe call. Start Johnny and Johnny doesn't play well then you can go back to McCown with a clear conscience. Start McCown and he shits the bed then you are an idiot.
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I'm not even sure it was the safe call. Start Johnny and Johnny doesn't play well then you can go back to McCown with a clear conscience. Start McCown and he shits the bed then you are an idiot.
But Pet is not concerned with how fans view him, he's concerned with winning games and following the plan they've set for JM. We know this because he said so.
Whichever QB was named starter vs. OAK can be pulled, if they are awful. Which one are you more confident has the psyche to handle that should it happen?
So is the next slip by JG a ban for life?
Probably depends on whether he repeats a past transgression or comes up with some new rule to violate...
Faded said:
Coaches are not immune to pressure from the press and the fans. That certainly doesn't mean that every decision is made based on the mob, but, depending on the intensity, it can play a role. Actually, I think Pettine felt it last year after the Indie game, and it's likely that it shaded his decision to start Manziel (in conjunction, and in consequence of Hoyer's middling play), even though he knew it was a long shot that Manziel would be serviceable in any way. You may see that again. I think the pressure will be even greater this time if McCown isn't playing notably well.
I didn't actually imply that the only reason McCown is ahead of Manziel is because he's likable, but pointed that out as part of the reason why it's hard for me to get upset about the call. But, now that you mention it, I absolutely think that part of this decision is because Pettine feels an obligation because of the original articulated plan, and because of the kind of guy McCown is. I don't think that's a negative in any way. The argument that McCown is owed a chance is not a bad one at all, and, if I were Pettine, it probably would find it's way as one element into my explanation to Manziel for why he'll be sitting this Sunday.
First, on the "likable" bit... I know you weren't saying it was a big factor in the decision let alone the only reason. What I was trying to say was my reaction was my problem... in this case my over-reaction.
Just seems there is always some outside factor that creeps in for a JM backer to accept him not starting.
I disagree on the pressure influencing Pet after the Indy game. I believe it was simply a matter of how low Hoyer's game had sunk at that point... so low that it made JM appear to be the better choice.
Guess I'm the only one who doesn't know what that stand for..........
DHBF = DieHardBrownsFan... our resident professor of elocution...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm not even sure it was the safe call. Start Johnny and Johnny doesn't play well then you can go back to McCown with a clear conscience. Start McCown and he shits the bed then you are an idiot.
But Pet is not concerned with how fans view him, he's concerned with winning games and following the plan they've set for JM. We know this because he said so.
Whichever QB was named starter vs. OAK can be pulled, if they are awful. Which one are you more confident has the psyche to handle that should it happen?
So is the next slip by JG a ban for life?
Probably depends on whether he repeats a past transgression or comes up with some new rule to violate...
Faded said:
Coaches are not immune to pressure from the press and the fans. That certainly doesn't mean that every decision is made based on the mob, but, depending on the intensity, it can play a role. Actually, I think Pettine felt it last year after the Indie game, and it's likely that it shaded his decision to start Manziel (in conjunction, and in consequence of Hoyer's middling play), even though he knew it was a long shot that Manziel would be serviceable in any way. You may see that again. I think the pressure will be even greater this time if McCown isn't playing notably well.
I didn't actually imply that the only reason McCown is ahead of Manziel is because he's likable, but pointed that out as part of the reason why it's hard for me to get upset about the call. But, now that you mention it, I absolutely think that part of this decision is because Pettine feels an obligation because of the original articulated plan, and because of the kind of guy McCown is. I don't think that's a negative in any way. The argument that McCown is owed a chance is not a bad one at all, and, if I were Pettine, it probably would find it's way as one element into my explanation to Manziel for why he'll be sitting this Sunday.
First, on the "likable" bit... I know you weren't saying it was a big factor in the decision let alone the only reason. What I was trying to say was my reaction was my problem... in this case my over-reaction.
Just seems there is always some outside factor that creeps in for a JM backer to accept him not starting.
I disagree on the pressure influencing Pet after the Indy game. I believe it was simply a matter of how low Hoyer's game had sunk at that point... so low that it made JM appear to be the better choice.
Guess I'm the only one who doesn't know what that stand for..........
DHBF = DieHardBrownsFan... our resident professor of elocution...
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Go take another 'selfie' and shove it.
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Go take another 'selfie' and shove it.
Go take another 'selfie' and shove it.
Jealous
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Young had to sit behind Montana. Rodgers had to wait behind Favre. McCown is a legend. Manziel needs to wait his fucking turn.
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I'm not even sure it was the safe call. Start Johnny and Johnny doesn't play well then you can go back to McCown with a clear conscience. Start McCown and he shits the bed then you are an idiot.
But Pet is not concerned with how fans view him, he's concerned with winning games and following the plan they've set for JM. We know this because he said so.
Whichever QB was named starter vs. OAK can be pulled, if they are awful. Which one are you more confident has the psyche to handle that should it happen?
So is the next slip by JG a ban for life?
Probably depends on whether he repeats a past transgression or comes up with some new rule to violate...
Faded said:
Coaches are not immune to pressure from the press and the fans. That certainly doesn't mean that every decision is made based on the mob, but, depending on the intensity, it can play a role. Actually, I think Pettine felt it last year after the Indie game, and it's likely that it shaded his decision to start Manziel (in conjunction, and in consequence of Hoyer's middling play), even though he knew it was a long shot that Manziel would be serviceable in any way. You may see that again. I think the pressure will be even greater this time if McCown isn't playing notably well.
I didn't actually imply that the only reason McCown is ahead of Manziel is because he's likable, but pointed that out as part of the reason why it's hard for me to get upset about the call. But, now that you mention it, I absolutely think that part of this decision is because Pettine feels an obligation because of the original articulated plan, and because of the kind of guy McCown is. I don't think that's a negative in any way. The argument that McCown is owed a chance is not a bad one at all, and, if I were Pettine, it probably would find it's way as one element into my explanation to Manziel for why he'll be sitting this Sunday.
First, on the "likable" bit... I know you weren't saying it was a big factor in the decision let alone the only reason. What I was trying to say was my reaction was my problem... in this case my over-reaction.
Just seems there is always some outside factor that creeps in for a JM backer to accept him not starting.
I disagree on the pressure influencing Pet after the Indy game. I believe it was simply a matter of how low Hoyer's game had sunk at that point... so low that it made JM appear to be the better choice.
Guess I'm the only one who doesn't know what that stand for..........
DHBF = DieHardBrownsFan... our resident professor of elocution...
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Go take another 'selfie' and shove it.
Jealous
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The irony of all this is that Josh was in exactly the same position as Johnny when injury forced him into the starters position. He played very well but was replaced by Cutler when he was cleared only for Cutler to blow it so Chicago did not make the playoffs. History hopefully will not repeat here. Go Browns and thanks Johnboy (fits well with fanboys) for a memorable game.
Q: Did you hear that Cleveland's football team doesn't have a website?A: They can't string three "Ws" together.
Sorry-I just could not resist.
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The irony of all this is that Josh was in exactly the same position as Johnny when injury forced him into the starters position. He played very well but was replaced by Cutler when he was cleared only for Cutler to blow it so Chicago did not make the playoffs. History hopefully will not repeat here. Go Browns and thanks Johnboy (fits well with fanboys) for a memorable game.
Q: Did you hear that Cleveland's football team doesn't have a website?A: They can't string three "Ws" together.
Sorry-I just could not resist.Q: Did you hear that Cleveland's football team doesn't have a website?
A: They can't string three "Ws" together.
Sorry-I just could not resist.
That's actually pretty good. I'll be retelling that one.
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Q: Did you hear that Cleveland's football team doesn't have a website?
A: They can't string three "Ws" together.
Sorry-I just could not resist.
That's actually pretty good. I'll be retelling that one.
That's actually pretty good. I'll be retelling that one.
I stole it off another www
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The Browns will be like 2-7 or 3-9 and then Pettine will play Manziel once the season is broken.
Haslem will fire Farmer/Pettine at the end of the year and bring in 2 new guys to make incredibly stupid decisions.
YOU FUCKING START MANZIEL, HE HAS ALL the MOMENTUM
The Browns will be like 2-7 or 3-9 and then Pettine will play Manziel once the season is broken.
Apparently, you can't start a Poll anymore- because I tried to. How many losses will it take to get McCown benched? Admittedly, it's easier to play Josh and bench him, & bring in Johnny if he sucks- than the other way around. It may not matter- because if McCown hasn't figured out in his forced layoff he has to curb his reckless- and it do mean reckless- style of running outside the pocket- he's not going to last very long anyway. I've said elsewhere that helicopter he took in the Jets game wasn't the first time this year he took a kill shot.
Playing McCown likely wins more games this season but he is not a young guy. Playing Johnny lets the staff know exactly what they have in him. If he does well, great. If he stinks up the joint, you know that drafting a QB is a very real possibility.
See above. So let's blow another season and find out we still have no answer at quarterback. Regarding those stats- HEY PETTINE- Manziel may be leading the league in quarterback fumbles with 4, you know who's right behind? Winston and Mariota with 3. I suppose they should be benched too, until they learn better ball security.
I don't know if Johnny is going to end up being the guy, but let's be honest, does anyone on this board think we have a shot at the Super Bowl this year? So let's say McCown is the better option this season, and we win an extra game or two with him at the helm. We end up 7-9 or 8-8. What is the point of the extra two wins with McCown? There would be some legitimacy to that argument if we were a bubble playoff team, but we just aren't that team. Starting Manziel at least lets us find out if he is the guy or we need to look elsewhere. I just don't buy that waiting a year to start Manziel so he can develop and learn is somehow going to dramatically change the results. Somehow starting him this year turns him into a bust and if we would have only waited until next year he would have been a HOFer. We shouldn't be delusional about McCown either. He was 2-14 last year for the fucking trainwreck Bucs.
yup.
His inability to move the chains was masked by the inability of the coaches to be less than superconservative (read that entirely predictable) in the 3rd and 4th quarters and set him up for 3rd and long which is a sackers wet dream. The second bomb was set up by moving the chains from the 20 to the 50. The second TD was set up by moving them deep into the red zone. The first bomb was a planned play off a correct reading of the D by both QB and receiver. None of it was luck. Get your facts straight.
I said it elsewhere- Pettine was playing not to lose sitting on a lead- and it almost cost them. Go look up the play by play. the Browns ran on EVERY first down in the third and fourth quarter- and the vast majority of second down on top of it- talk about predictable. Johnny bailed them out with a schoolyard play.
Young had to sit behind Montana. Rodgers had to wait behind Favre. McCown is a legend. Manziel needs to wait his fucking turn.
Safe to say the only way Josh is getting in the HOF- to paraphrase one announcer- is if he buys a ticket, like everyone else. In conclusion- Dear Mr. Pettine- you made a tough decision- you had better be right. Anything less than 9-7 with Josh at the controls will be unacceptable to the fan base- and you know it.
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