McCown Starts
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I continue to marvel at a thought process that sees no downside in thrusting an ill-prepared player with a history of substance abuse connected to pressure situations into the full-time starting role of an NFL team.
I mean... what could possibly go wrong?
I don't think it has as much to do with the fan base as with the pundits. The guys supposed to be sports gurus who are pretty much all a little bit shocked.
You have to admit it's not a common practice of professional football coaches, successful or otherwise, preferring to start journeyman over your first round quarterback pick.
Also not common... first-round picks that cannot beat out a journeyman starter.
And fuck the pundits... even if there was truth in "pretty much all", Pet and staff aren't sitting around watching ESPN.
To paraphrase Paul B...
The fan-base influence is zero and the pundit influence is even less.
I continue to marvel at a thought process that sees no downside in thrusting an ill-prepared player with a history of substance abuse connected to pressure situations into the full-time starting role of an NFL team.
I mean... what could possibly go wrong?
If Pettine & Co. have determined Johnny isn't ready yet- I'll accept that reasoning.
OTOH- if Johnny can't beat out McCown yet- can we say wasted draft pick?
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OTOH? On To Our House?
I think my answer is "no", but need an acronym assist to be sure...
bbl... gtgg*
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I continue to marvel at a thought process that sees no downside in thrusting an ill-prepared player with a history of substance abuse connected to pressure situations into the full-time starting role of an NFL team.
I mean... what could possibly go wrong?
If Pettine & Co. have determined Johnny isn't ready yet- I'll accept that reasoning.
OTOH- if Johnny can't beat out McCown yet- can we say wasted draft pick?
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OTOH? On To Our House?
I think my answer is "no", but need an acronym assist to be sure...
bbl... gtgg*
_______________________________________
*be back later... got to go grade...
OTOH? On To Our House?
I think my answer is "no", but need an acronym assist to be sure...
bbl... gtgg*
_______________________________________
*be back later... got to go grade...
That's an old one- surprised you don't know it. On the Other Hand.
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Yup Mik- we have no control over what the coaching staff does or doesn't do. I'm willing to let McCown fall flat on his face, should that happen- and his track record is less than stellar, no? So excuse me I'm skeptical McCown will succeed where washed up retreads like Dilfer, Garcia, Delhomme, and Wallace have proceeded to suck. FWIW, several of those guys have (had) better resumes than Jake.
Except those were different teams with different personnel and different coaches. Comparing the 2015 McCown Browns to the 2010 Delhomme Browns is no different than comparing the Houston Texans to the Permian Panthers.
McCown's track record was less than stellar, except that those were all different teams with different personnel and different situations. In the (extremely) limited time McCown had against the Jets, the offense looked just as capable as (if not more than) Manziel's offense.
McCown wasn't brought in here to be a long term option. Those guys were. Those guys were brought in to be THE GUY and to win games and get us to the playoffs. McCown was brought in to win games and get us to the playoffs, sure, but he was more brought in to help mentor THE GUY - unlike Hoyer.
Everyone bitches for consistency, then complain when they get it.
The more serious question is what's Haslam going to do if Pettine (assisted by Farmer) brought in yet another big stinking pile of crap at the qb position? I'm saying- If Pettine's right- he's going to look like a genius- if he's wrong- well. He's going to have no choice but to start Johnny when the Browns are 2-8 or 3-7 at the bye. Another season flushed down the toilet. The Ghoolie pessimist in me could easily see that happening. Go take a look at some of the recent NFL power rankings and tell me I'm making that scenario up. I'm getting too damn old to keep putting up with yet another lost season.
And, if that's the case, what evidence do you have that Johnny doesn't win the next six games?
The above says it Steve. If said journeyman sucks- Pettine may have bought himself a ticket out of town.
Overreaction at its finest. Also attributing personnel moves to a HC, rather than the GM, at its finest.
Except those were different teams with different personnel and different coaches. Comparing the 2015 McCown Browns to the 2010 Delhomme Browns is no different than comparing the Houston Texans to the Permian Panthers.
McCown's track record was less than stellar, except that those were all different teams with different personnel and different situations. In the (extremely) limited time McCown had against the Jets, the offense looked just as capable as (if not more than) Manziel's offense.
McCown wasn't brought in here to be a long term option. Those guys were. Those guys were brought in to be THE GUY and to win games and get us to the playoffs. McCown was brought in to win games and get us to the playoffs, sure, but he was more brought in to help mentor THE GUY - unlike Hoyer.
Everyone bitches for consistency, then complain when they get it.
And, if that's the case, what evidence do you have that Johnny doesn't win the next six games?
Overreaction at its finest. Also attributing personnel moves to a HC, rather than the GM, at its finest.
Well, TC- McCown has been in 6 different situations prior to the Browns- (had to look at Pro Football Reference), and been found lacking in all of them. But now yessir- it's all going to be different somehow. Josh wasn't in the right system to succeed- so how many exactly does he need to show his stuff? This isn't my take now- it was from day one when Farmer brought him in. So yeah I'll blame Farmer for some questionable moves, if Pettine is only playing the cards he's bean dealt.
Let's just say we really don't know what Manziel's potential is yet. Am I being a nasty old curmudgeon if I posit I know what McCown's is? Like career backup- that's been proven in spades? Or do you want me to hope Josh can pull a Jim Plunkett or Joe Kapp career revival out of his ass?
McCown sure did look great in the opening drive against the Jets. Big whoop. Brandon Weeden looked like Bret Farve after Romo went down too.
Sorry if it seems like I'm channeling my inner Ghoolie on this one. Expect the worst, hope for the best.
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^ This
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Hoorta, but there was in fact one where he was NOT proved to be lacking, and that's what we're basing this experiment on, and that's fine with me.
FTR, the guy that runs Texags.com which is a massive A&M site (obviously) is good friends with Johnny. I posted what he said about the McCown pickup (thought it was a great move) back when it happened. Knowing how close he is to Johnny, I said that it was basically the official (and accurate) statement from Johnny about the McCown pickup.
Well he tweeted Sunday complaining about how Pettine downplayed Johnny's performance in the presser (lots of overly sensitive Aggies were complaining about this). In it he mentioned that Pettine doesn't like and didn't want Johnny. I really hope it's not true. I see evidence to both sides. Maybe it was just tweeted in the heat of the moment and isn't accurate. But it's pretty close to the situation.
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Except got his clock rung and fumbled.
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Except got his clock rung and fumbled.
Except got his clock rung and fumbled.
better than getting his hand smacked and fumbling....3 times....
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Except got his clock rung and fumbled.
better than getting his hand smacked and fumbling....3 times....
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Except got his clock rung and fumbled.
better than getting his hand smacked and fumbling....3 times....
better than getting his hand smacked and fumbling....3 times....
Manziel is 1-0 as the starter
McCown is 0-1 as the starter
It's that simple
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Manziel is 1-0 as the starter
McCown is 0-1 as the starter
It's that simple
Only for a simple mind..
Due to O line fuck ups mainly.
Yep...every fuck up Johnny does is someone elses fault.....heard it a million times..
Sorry...the fumbles(and Int) are on him....and his lack of awareness.....just standing in the pocket with no clue where the rushers are...try watching the plays....
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Horseshit.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Josh McCown was 1-11 last year. Your argument is invalid and flawed from the get go.
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These idiots think Just Aclown is the Browns savior.
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Starting McCown over Manziel is like trying to justify fucking Mary Kay Cabot instead of Kate Upton
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Horseshit.
Horseshit.
THATS what I say almost everytime you post.....
Josh McCown was 1-11 last year. Your argument is invalid and flawed from the get go.
Walter, you are invalid and flawed....
If we lose, you do deserve it......
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Starting McCown over Manziel is like trying to justify fucking Mary Kay Cabot instead of Kate Upton
Starting McCown over Manziel is like trying to justify fucking Mary Kay Cabot instead of Kate Upton
At least you can talk some Browns after you cum...
WSS
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Except those were different teams with different personnel and different coaches. Comparing the 2015 McCown Browns to the 2010 Delhomme Browns is no different than comparing the Houston Texans to the Permian Panthers.
McCown's track record was less than stellar, except that those were all different teams with different personnel and different situations. In the (extremely) limited time McCown had against the Jets, the offense looked just as capable as (if not more than) Manziel's offense.
McCown wasn't brought in here to be a long term option. Those guys were. Those guys were brought in to be THE GUY and to win games and get us to the playoffs. McCown was brought in to win games and get us to the playoffs, sure, but he was more brought in to help mentor THE GUY - unlike Hoyer.
Everyone bitches for consistency, then complain when they get it.
And, if that's the case, what evidence do you have that Johnny doesn't win the next six games?
Overreaction at its finest. Also attributing personnel moves to a HC, rather than the GM, at its finest.
Well, TC- McCown has been in 6 different situations prior to the Browns- (had to look at Pro Football Reference), and been found lacking in all of them. But now yessir- it's all going to be different somehow. Josh wasn't in the right system to succeed- so how many exactly does he need to show his stuff? This isn't my take now- it was from day one when Farmer brought him in. So yeah I'll blame Farmer for some questionable moves, if Pettine is only playing the cards he's bean dealt.
Let's just say we really don't know what Manziel's potential is yet. Am I being a nasty old curmudgeon if I posit I know what McCown's is? Like career backup- that's been proven in spades? Or do you want me to hope Josh can pull a Jim Plunkett or Joe Kapp career revival out of his ass?
McCown sure did look great in the opening drive against the Jets. Big whoop. Brandon Weeden looked like Bret Farve after Romo went down too.
Sorry if it seems like I'm channeling my inner Ghoolie on this one. Expect the worst, hope for the best.
Well, TC- McCown has been in 6 different situations prior to the Browns- (had to look at Pro Football Reference), and been found lacking in all of them. But now yessir- it's all going to be different somehow. Josh wasn't in the right system to succeed- so how many exactly does he need to show his stuff? This isn't my take now- it was from day one when Farmer brought him in. So yeah I'll blame Farmer for some questionable moves, if Pettine is only playing the cards he's bean dealt.
Let's just say we really don't know what Manziel's potential is yet. Am I being a nasty old curmudgeon if I posit I know what McCown's is? Like career backup- that's been proven in spades? Or do you want me to hope Josh can pull a Jim Plunkett or Joe Kapp career revival out of his ass?
McCown sure did look great in the opening drive against the Jets. Big whoop. Brandon Weeden looked like Bret Farve after Romo went down too.
Sorry if it seems like I'm channeling my inner Ghoolie on this one. Expect the worst, hope for the best.
That's all well and good, if you're looking at things on surface level.
Take a look at what he's had to work with up front. The following are the years that he started accompanied with his respective offensive line's pass protection ranking.
2003 - ARI - Off. line rank 24th
2004 - ARI - Off. line rank 17th
2005 - ARI - Off. line rank 14th
2007 - OAK - Off. line rank 27th
2013 - CHI - Off. line rank 5th
2014 - TB - Off. line rank 29th
Is it a coincidence that McCown's best performance came when his offensive line gave him time to throw, and his worst performance came when they didn't?
McCown, excluding one year, has never had an offensive line to protect him. THAT'S why I have faith that his "other six stops" aren't reflective of what he can do.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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