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  • Faded said:

    Wow. If McCown takes them 99 for the tie, he is the man.

    If he does, some sports writer somewhere will invoke the "Kardiac Kids" in some way in writing up the game summary/analysis.

  • Holding my breath

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!

  • Intercepted.

  • Ball was underthrown. So were a couple others. Manziel (I believe) would have made that throw.

  • Crazy Defensive play. Aw fuck I'm a terrible psychic.

  • A fitting end to the game.

  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    A fitting end to the game.

    @jrb12711 said:

    A fitting end to the game.

    Keep the faith this is an 11-5 team

  • The BROWNS need to pick one QB and let him ride. The fiasco last year was bullshit. HAVE FAITH IN YOUR QB. McCown had a horrible first half but he showed some really good gusto in the 2nd half.

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  • Rough ending

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • Benjamin open deep on every play. We can't miss him that many times. Also the booth should have reviewed woodsons interception.. Looked like he was bobbling it as he went out of bounds

  • BrownsFeverB BrownsFever

    The BROWNS need to pick one QB and let him ride. The fiasco last year was bullshit. HAVE FAITH IN YOUR QB. McCown had a horrible first half but he showed some really good gusto in the 2nd half.

    @brownsfever said:

    The BROWNS need to pick one QB and let him ride. The fiasco last year was bullshit. HAVE FAITH IN YOUR QB. McCown had a horrible first half but he showed some really good gusto in the 2nd half.

    Once they get one I'll agree. I think you go Manziel for the rest of the year and see if he is good enough, if not move on. Mccown hasn't done anything to lose the job but this is a 4-12 team with or without him.

  • If Josh could've put another 2 yards on that sideline pass to Benji, I believe he would've scored.

    I also think that Johnny could've made that throw, and I'm not a Johnny fan.

    It's time to start the kid and see what we have (or don't have) in our QB.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney

  • Faded said:

    The real beauty of it is that McCown played well enough so that there is no way you can make the switch now, but the Browns lost anyway. Meanwhile, the guy you spent a first round pick on watches and will watch again next week. That's the risk.

    If McCown uses this to springboard to a good season, everything is great. If not, everybody can kind of scratch their heads at draft time next year and wonder what to do.

    I must have watched a different game. McCown under threw, threw behind, missed open receivers so many times. He sucked, imho.

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  • BrownsFan4EvrB BrownsFan4Evr

    Faded said:

    Just be aware that when you do it's going to be a carnival freakshow of highs and lows for a while. You either go through that and accept it for a few games (or half a season), or you should have never drafted the guy.

    And that would be worse than what we're seeing now??

    @brownsfan4evr said:

    And that would be worse than what we're seeing now??

    This game was terrible.

    Faded said:

    Now McCown will have a chance to pad the stats a little with the Raiders nursing a 3 score lead. Pettine can come out in the PC and talk about what solid play he got from the veteran QB and how there is no need to alter the plan.

    Nice garbage time stats. Underthown int. the guy isn't accurate, even with zero pressure.

    @why said:

    I'm so glad I didn't renew my season tickets

    I'm thinking the same next year. They can ride McClown to 2-14. With the running game not working- Josh is worse than worthless.

  • Faded said:

    I'm only looking at the stats. Until the last INT, they were average for McCown. I don''t know that Manziel could have duplicated it on 40+ throws (though we don't really know, since they only let him throw it 15 times last week). It certainly wasn't lights out by any means, and the yds/att (~7.1) was just about the mean. It certainly wasn't a terrible performance, maybe slightly sub-par.

    But, it doesn't matter. I predict Pettine will praise the veteran QB play, point out that, though it needs to improve, they are on the right track, and McCown will be under center on the first play next week. The idea of Manziel scampering around chucking unscripted bombs scares him worse than it does the opposing DCs...

    The problem is Johnny hasn't proven much better. He has completed two bombs to Travis Benjamin but other than that he has been a fumbling, incompletion, interception losing machine.

  • If we're gonna lose anyway, at least make it exciting to watch. Manziel would do that. Keep playing McCown, and I predict a lot of empty seats.

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  • BrownsFan4EvrB BrownsFan4Evr

    If we're gonna lose anyway, at least make it exciting to watch. Manziel would do that. Keep playing McCown, and I predict a lot of empty seats.

    @brownsfan4evr said:

    If we're gonna lose anyway, at least make it exciting to watch. Manziel would do that. Keep playing McCown, and I predict a lot of empty seats.

    Empty seats won't happen in our lifetime, supporting a loser is a badge of honor in Cleveland unfortunately

  • Faded said:

    Yeah, if you discount the spectacular TD bombs, it definitely takes some of the luster off.

    ...

    ...

    Now, remind me again, why am I supposed to discount the TD bombs?....

    Because you can't sustain that. In today's NFL you either sling it all around and complete 65% of your passes or you have balance. TD bombs are like kick returns for TDs, awesome when they happen but can't count on them.

  • W wargograw

    Alrighty I guess mine wasn't satisfactory.

    @wargograw said:

    Alrighty I guess mine wasn't satisfactory.

    Could have been.... had you gotten the title right... 😉

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  • Faded said:

    I haven't looked up the exact stats, but the frequency of 40+ yard touchdown plays is a lot higher than kick returns for TDs, so, while i get the analogy, it's not a very good one.

    I'm not saying success on the deep balls is everything, but, yeah, it's a big deal. Also, the threat can be parlayed into other advantages for the offense, as the defense has to respect the long ball. Manziel has thrown 3 (not 2) in 7 quarters this year. It would be crazy to not include them in the overall assessment of his performance. (I have to point out that electrifying wins are nice, too.)

    He's complete 54% of his passes and fumbled 4 times in 7 quarters

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