Its time to Fire Pettine
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I agree.....it would be dumb to fire Pettine.....it was brutal watching his pressy though.....can see a lil crack in the armor....it will be interesting to see how he(and the team) respond.....
If Im questioning coaches......#1 is Flip.....and #1B is ONeill.....good position coaches, but maybe they are in over their heads as coordinators.....
I agree.....it would be dumb to fire Pettine.....it was brutal watching his pressy though.....can see a lil crack in the armor....it will be interesting to see how he(and the team) respond.....
If Im questioning coaches......#1 is Flip.....and #1B is ONeill.....good position coaches, but maybe they are in over their heads as coordinators.....
I give Flip some rope because he is a rookie coordinator, although the run game seems to be regressing. How much, if any of this, is due to OL Coach Moeller's situation?
O'Neil, on the other hand, told us after last season that the run D WILL improve!...WHEN?
In addition, we have literally NO pass rush. Carr had all day to throw yesterday. I'm not sold on him as a D coordinator at all.
I guess we'll see what happens, but even I am growing impatient.
Mike
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so eye opening to see so little of our picks even playing in the NFL anymore.
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Doesn't matter if we fire Pettine, Browns will find another useless coach, waste draft picks, or find a new way to lose. Hell the Browns make a profit from losing anyway.
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I would hope to god that all of you intrinsically understand the long term ramifications of firing another coach after only 2 years. We're on notice with the league basically. If we fire Pettine, get ready for a parade of D2 coaches looking to dip their toes in the NFL pond, but nothing serious. Just some guys who are going to jump up to the bigs for some fun. We will not see a dedicated coach here for decades. DECADES!!!
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It is a stupid post! I bet the only thing any of you were good at right from the get was playing with yourself! Just think how long it's been since Bellicheat stood on our sideline and everyone wanting his head....how did that turn out for ya? It's called living and learning and we must give a coach enough time to do both. They look sloppy....d just standing around and looking into the crowd as the ball's being snapped.
What do other teams do when they have one or two bad seasons?....FIRE THE HEAD COACH! Belichik was an idiot when he was here. He learned and changed. You don't believe that? How about "Metcalf up the middle"...or cutting Kosar with the only qb left being Todd Philcox. Oh, yeah...he was a real fu**ing genius, then.
What do other teams do when they have one or two bad seasons?....FIRE THE HEAD COACH! Belichik was an idiot when he was here. He learned and changed. You don't believe that? How about "Metcalf up the middle"...or cutting Kosar with the only qb left being Todd Philcox. Oh, yeah...he was a real fu**ing genius, then.
I know you are now on "dish" at McDonalds but have you ever been promoted to say "fry boy" or "burger boy"? If so, you know that it took you some time to be as good or better than your co-workers. Just think how long we would have had Bellicheat and how many SB won. Give it a chance, I tell you! The rest of your post is hard for me to understand your position! Oh, is Bellicheat an idiot now?
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so eye opening to see so little of our picks even playing in the NFL anymore.
so eye opening to see so little of our picks even playing in the NFL anymore.
But then you get guys like Dion Lewis or Charles Johnson, who are utilized in the correct way and are getting paid peanuts.
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What do other teams do when they have one or two bad seasons?....FIRE THE HEAD COACH! Belichik was an idiot when he was here. He learned and changed. You don't believe that? How about "Metcalf up the middle"...or cutting Kosar with the only qb left being Todd Philcox. Oh, yeah...he was a real fu**ing genius, then.
I know you are now on "dish" at McDonalds but have you ever been promoted to say "fry boy" or "burger boy"? If so, you know that it took you some time to be as good or better than your co-workers. Just think how long we would have had Bellicheat and how many SB won. Give it a chance, I tell you! The rest of your post is hard for me to understand your position! Oh, is Bellicheat an idiot now?
I know you are now on "dish" at McDonalds but have you ever been promoted to say "fry boy" or "burger boy"? If so, you know that it took you some time to be as good or better than your co-workers. Just think how long we would have had Bellicheat and how many SB won. Give it a chance, I tell you! The rest of your post is hard for me to understand your position! Oh, is Bellicheat an idiot now?
I don't get promotions...I give them. Have someone read my post to you...maybe that will work. I said he WAS an idiot for the 5 years he was here. He was treated like crap by the fans, then fired by Modell in Baltimore. His communication skills were terrible, even though he knew the X's and O's. It wasn't until he changed his approach with players, the media, and fans, that he was successful. I've waited over 50 years for a championship team, and 30 years for just a competitive one. I'm out of patience. As a paying fan who attends several games per year, I don't think it's asking too much to watch a team that is capable of winning half of the games it plays. In other words...mediocrity looks pretty good at this point. You, on the other hand, probably haven't been around long enough to realize that this was once a very proud, respected franchise which is now, and has been for the past 15 years, the laughing stock of the NFL.
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so eye opening to see so little of our picks even playing in the NFL anymore.
so eye opening to see so little of our picks even playing in the NFL anymore.
There's the root of the problem.
In the last 15 years the Browns burn through draft picks like shit through a goose.
Just think how many of them that were either traded, or cut and went on to have great career elsewhere?
I would shitcan Farmer before thinking of firing Pet.
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so eye opening to see so little of our picks even playing in the NFL anymore.
There's the root of the problem.
In the last 15 years the Browns burn through draft picks like shit through a goose.
Just think how many of them that were either traded, or cut and went on to have great career elsewhere?
I would shitcan Farmer before thinking of firing Pet.
There's the root of the problem.
In the last 15 years the Browns burn through draft picks like shit through a goose.
Just think how many of them that were either traded, or cut and went on to have great career elsewhere?
I would shitcan Farmer before thinking of firing Pet.
Why does Pet get a pass while Farmer doesn't? They've been here the exact same amount of time.
EDIT: Fuck, I forgot Farmer was assistant GM in 2013.
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Bellicheat wore many hats when he was here and the uppers let him get away with it. In the right hands, he has proven his talents as a coach. He wouldn't put up with this lazy bunch for long. His communication skills are still that of a sloth.......lol
I'm 56 and grew up in a CBrowns house and miss the parties, friends and the community when we were in the hunt. Yeah, it sucks....but lets start doing some things right to change these results. Johnny......if he is a diamond, lets not put him in a tin setting! Let who ever get the nerve knocked out of them until we get great line, RB's and WO's....
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There's the root of the problem.
In the last 15 years the Browns burn through draft picks like shit through a goose.
Just think how many of them that were either traded, or cut and went on to have great career elsewhere?
I would shitcan Farmer before thinking of firing Pet.
Why does Pet get a pass while Farmer doesn't? They've been here the exact same amount of time.
EDIT: Fuck, I forgot Farmer was assistant GM in 2013.
Why does Pet get a pass while Farmer doesn't? They've been here the exact same amount of time.
EDIT: Fuck, I forgot Farmer was assistant GM in 2013.
Farmer was one of the guys responsible for drafting Bowe when he was with the Chiefs.
Fast forward a few years, and Farmer brings him here and pays him $9 mill this year for breathing.
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Pettine is an emotionless blah blah blah softie. He does nothing to Fire this team up
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Pettine is an emotionless blah blah blah softie. He does nothing to Fire this team up
Pettine is an emotionless blah blah blah softie. He does nothing to Fire this team up
Paul brown was emotionless on the sidelines.. .. So that makes him bad?
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Our Drafts have sucked serious donkey balls since 99. We have fallen for the hype of College QB's time and time again and have missed so many other contributing players. I don't mind building through the draft, but we have to nail some pics.
Stay away from character issues, drug issues, theft issues, rape issues. Find guys who love the fucking game. Hell, draft the entire Kent state team. They seem to turn out some pretty decent players that go under the radar. We need to scout the shit out of every college team in this friggin' country. D1 - D4 or D5, I don't give a shit where they come from, i just want guys hungry to play and hungry to win and aren't after a payday the minute they step out of college.
And we have to do something in free agency to build and bring some potential, still in their prime, players. Open the check book Haslam.
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our defense seemed to play pretty well last year especially with generating turnovers.. This year has been terrible. I vaguely remember Pettine stating he was turning the defense over to O'Neil this year so Pettine could help out with the offense. If true, maybe O'Neil has no clue how to run a defense by himself?
If the defense continues to suck, we may as well start manziel because the season will be lost anyway..
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our defense seemed to play pretty well last year especially with generating turnovers.. This year has been terrible. I vaguely remember Pettine stating he was turning the defense over to O'Neil this year so Pettine could help out with the offense. If true, maybe O'Neil has no clue how to run a defense by himself?
If the defense continues to suck, we may as well start manziel because the season will be lost anyway..
our defense seemed to play pretty well last year especially with generating turnovers.. This year has been terrible. I vaguely remember Pettine stating he was turning the defense over to O'Neil this year so Pettine could help out with the offense. If true, maybe O'Neil has no clue how to run a defense by himself?
If the defense continues to suck, we may as well start manziel because the season will be lost anyway..
MKC asked Pettine if he was going to shift his attention away from the offense and focus more on defense.
He said that it looks like he's going to have to spend some time with O'neil.
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Fire the coach? The only one who would have us? The only one with balls enough to take on a loser organization and do something to turn that all around?
And who would any of you then hire?
The whole discussion is ludicrous at this point.
Did we just lose 0-77 or something? Last I looked we lost by an interception deep in the opponents end of the field. And we did that with a 36 y.o. journeyman QB coming off a two week enforced layoff.
Definition of insanity is doing the same old thing over and over again with the same old results. Fire another coach? Yeah, that'll work better than the other 70 million times that it didn't work.
Fire the coach? And who would any of you then hire?
#1 is Flip.....and #1B is ONeill.....good position coaches, but maybe they are in over their heads as coordinators.....
Put these two posts together and you have the short list of interim HCs if Pet is fired.
Who are you picking Walter?
Good point, mud... I'm also wondering if we are missing Moeller more than a little...
Maybe it's a case of the defense having a few 4-3 lbs that aren't hybrid 3-4 oriented.
Which brings us back to the authenticity of Pet's "adapt-to-the-players" credo...
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I agree.....it would be dumb to fire Pettine.....it was brutal watching his pressy though.....can see a lil crack in the armor....it will be interesting to see how he(and the team) respond.....
If Im questioning coaches......#1 is Flip.....and #1B is ONeill.....good position coaches, but maybe they are in over their heads as coordinators.....
I give Flip some rope because he is a rookie coordinator, although the run game seems to be regressing. How much, if any of this, is due to OL Coach Moeller's situation?
O'Neil, on the other hand, told us after last season that the run D WILL improve!...WHEN?
In addition, we have literally NO pass rush. Carr had all day to throw yesterday. I'm not sold on him as a D coordinator at all.
I guess we'll see what happens, but even I am growing impatient.
Mike
How much, if any of this, is due to OL Coach Moeller's situation?
Another example of great minds thi... aw... whatever...
Rookies and 2nd-year execs are going to make mistakes...
The question is: Are Pet and Farm learning from their mistakes?
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