Is Haden Washed Up?
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#Browns Haden suffers rib injury on 1st play in loss to Raiders, will undergo MRI:"It was tough but it's no excuse'' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/09/joe_haden_cleveland_browns.html …
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
If we are talking rusty your boy Cam Heyward had 0 (zero) QB pressures on 30 pass rushes last week. According to PFF.
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
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Why is it that Haden can lock-up AJ Green - a tall, quality WR - but get abused by Amari Cooper and Brandon Marshall? Haden comes to play against Green; he's always jacked-up and considers it a true mano-a-mano test of who's best. If Haden can apply that hunger to "be the best" week in and week out, instead of just doing so against Green, then it's problem solved.
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
We can throw Julio Jones in with 'em if you like, but yes, in my opinion those are all all-pro by the end of the year.
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Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
Sorry rational thinking is not allowed here.
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Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
If we are talking rusty your boy Cam Heyward had 0 (zero) QB pressures on 30 pass rushes last week. According to PFF.
If we are talking rusty your boy Cam Heyward had 0 (zero) QB pressures on 30 pass rushes last week. According to PFF.
What was the score of that game? Remind me. How many times did kaep go down? Then you can check how many tackles shazier had that game. If he's occupying lineman and freeing up the linebackers he's doing fine. Criticizing Heyward is hilarious. He's one of the top 34 ends in the nfl.
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Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
We can throw Julio Jones in with 'em if you like, but yes, in my opinion those are all all-pro by the end of the year.
We can throw Julio Jones in with 'em if you like, but yes, in my opinion those are all all-pro by the end of the year.
Right now Marshall is 10th, Cooper is 8th. Top two are Julio Jones and Antonio Brown.
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If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
Sorry rational thinking is not allowed here.
Sorry rational thinking is not allowed here.
Says the old fart
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We can throw Julio Jones in with 'em if you like, but yes, in my opinion those are all all-pro by the end of the year.
Right now Marshall is 10th, Cooper is 8th. Top two are Julio Jones and Antonio Brown.
Cut him some slack. Marshall and Cooper looked All Pro against the Browns.Right now Marshall is 10th, Cooper is 8th. Top two are Julio Jones and Antonio Brown.
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Cut him some slack. Marshall and Cooper looked All Pro against the Browns.
Ha, must be the case. I try to watch as much football as possible. I guess some of these guys only watch the Browns.
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Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
I agree.
But if you fail to do your job, you shouldn't be doing it...not passing the buck.
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Early Sunday Joe was one of a couple DBs that appeared to have cleat issues... Benji did on Offense as well. No excuse, but you ought to be able to get the cleats right on your home field.
I also recall Joe's starts being slow, but if we sit him all pre-season that is on us.
I've no doubt that Joe has gotten more targets early than last year. Tramon vs. Buster says it all... and once teams see others having success in Joe's area... it's like blood in the water.
As for the cavalcade of great WRs.... He's great, but I have a feeling AB's rank is fixin' to drop.
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If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
I agree.
But if you fail to do your job, you shouldn't be doing it...not passing the buck.
I agree.
But if you fail to do your job, you shouldn't be doing it...not passing the buck.
Haden takes full accountability for Cooper having the game he did. Which is more than mature and shows great leadership.
My first love is DB. I'll tell you now, I never had more fun in a game then when my dline got shit done.
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PFF accounts for a lack of pass rush and Haden still graded terribly. Furthermore, the lack of pass rush had little effect on the performance of the defensive backfield last year.
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Why is it that Haden can lock-up AJ Green - a tall, quality WR - but get abused by Amari Cooper and Brandon Marshall? Haden comes to play against Green; he's always jacked-up and considers it a true mano-a-mano test of who's best. If Haden can apply that hunger to "be the best" week in and week out, instead of just doing so against Green, then it's problem solved.
Why is it that Haden can lock-up AJ Green - a tall, quality WR - but get abused by Amari Cooper and Brandon Marshall? Haden comes to play against Green; he's always jacked-up and considers it a true mano-a-mano test of who's best. If Haden can apply that hunger to "be the best" week in and week out, instead of just doing so against Green, then it's problem solved.
College rivalry.
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I had this two years ago. Haden has been overrated for two-plus years now, and I was told I was crazy even with plenty of ammo to back it up.
Homers gonna homer... Lazy national media gonna lazy.
"Lockdown" Joe Haden gonna get bbq'ed by Cecil Shorts to lose the game
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If we are talking rusty your boy Cam Heyward had 0 (zero) QB pressures on 30 pass rushes last week. According to PFF.
What was the score of that game? Remind me. How many times did kaep go down? Then you can check how many tackles shazier had that game. If he's occupying lineman and freeing up the linebackers he's doing fine. Criticizing Heyward is hilarious. He's one of the top 34 ends in the nfl.
What was the score of that game? Remind me. How many times did kaep go down? Then you can check how many tackles shazier had that game. If he's occupying lineman and freeing up the linebackers he's doing fine. Criticizing Heyward is hilarious. He's one of the top 34 ends in the nfl.
Expect last week you played the Rams.... Two weeks ago you played kaep.....
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If Joe Haden was playing well life would be great in our backfield, with Tramon and a healthy K'waun.
I hope the "slow start defense" is accurate, but I have my doubts. He shouldn't have gotten a pass on pre-season play.
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I dont know that Haden always starts slow.....but he definitely did last season. Was off for the first 3 games(same as this year), then played lights out for the balance.....and then Pro-Bowl....a quick look back and found these exact "Haden Sucks" type of threads after games 1 & 3 last season.....
You guys are turble....attacking one of our best....immediately.....then, probably, licking his balls a few games later.....
Here's one from Sept 22(same week last year, btw) called Haden Got smoked again....by walter , of course....
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30353&hl=haden
Here's one called "Haden LOL".....by Walter(again)....this is from 10-5....
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30474&hl=haden
And on 10-6(one day later)....here's one suddenly crying cause he's hurt...(Walter again....the next day....sheez)
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30494&hl=haden
And then, of course, he's the one announcing he's in the ProBowl(again)....
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31440&hl=haden
And, ironically, here's one complaining that he wasnt selected All Pro....
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31550&hl=haden
So, in summary.....we've went down this same road just last season.....whining and bitching about one of our very best after just a few games.....seriously......smh....
Im nowhere near ready to claim he's "washed up"....holy cow....dude is in the prime of his career.... Is he the best in the league???....I doubt it....but he's better than most and Im glad he's on our team......if we attack a guy like Haden for few bad games, then we dont deserve good players....
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