Obama Loves the Military Sooo Much..........
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mz. said:
I'm not telling you how to feel. I'm just telling you how reasonable folks react.Reasonable folks get the facts straight before commenting on something they know nothing about. But once again you never let ignorance get in your way, huh?
Currently, the VA covers the full cost of medical ailments related to military service and bills third-party insurers for non-service related injuries. For example, if an injured veteran is treated for the flu, the veteran’s personal insurance is billed. If the injured veteran is treated for a service-related injury and requires hearing aids or prosthetics, for example, the VA covers the cost.
Veteran groups fear that shifting more of the cost to private insurance will do several things: 1) drive up premiums for veterans; 2) make it more difficult for injured veterans to find and retain health insurance; 3) discourage employers from hiring disabled veterans; and 4) possibly make a war injury a pre-existing condition.
Obama made an awful move here. He is trying to reduce costs by having service related injuries covered by private insurance. Uh yeah, like what INS company would agree to that? Also, why is he not going after the bloodsucking, leaches of society that bleed the rest of us on fradulant SSI and 100% disability claims? It would be easier to fix that BS.
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mz. said:
I'm not telling you how to feel. I'm just telling you how reasonable folks react.Reasonable folks get the facts straight before commenting on something they know nothing about. But once again you never let ignorance get in your way, huh?
Currently, the VA covers the full cost of medical ailments related to military service and bills third-party insurers for non-service related injuries. For example, if an injured veteran is treated for the flu, the veteran’s personal insurance is billed. If the injured veteran is treated for a service-related injury and requires hearing aids or prosthetics, for example, the VA covers the cost.
Veteran groups fear that shifting more of the cost to private insurance will do several things: 1) drive up premiums for veterans; 2) make it more difficult for injured veterans to find and retain health insurance; 3) discourage employers from hiring disabled veterans; and 4) possibly make a war injury a pre-existing condition.
Obama made an awful move here. He is trying to reduce costs by having service related injuries covered by private insurance. Uh yeah, like what INS company would agree to that? Also, why is he not going after the bloodsucking, leaches of society that bleed the rest of us on fradulant SSI and 100% disability claims? It would be easier to fix that BS.
Reasonable folks get the facts straight before commenting on something they know nothing about. But once again you never let ignorance get in your way, huh?
Thanks for popping in with facts, in that gentle way only you can.
I'm sure the blowhards who overreacted without a shred of knowledge appreciate it.
PS If you ever read an entire thread, you'd know I was talking about reasonable people not jumping to conclusions re: what Obama was doing before he even did anything about it.
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Reasonable folks get the facts straight before commenting on something they know nothing about. But once again you never let ignorance get in your way, huh?
Thanks for popping in with facts, in that gentle way only you can.
I'm sure the blowhards who overreacted without a shred of knowledge appreciate it.
PS If you ever read an entire thread, you'd know I was talking about reasonable people not jumping to conclusions re: what Obama was doing before he even did anything about it.
mz. said:
PS If you ever read an entire thread, you'd know I was talking about reasonable people not jumping to conclusions re: what Obama was doing before he even did anything about it.The proposal is for service men and women to be treated for service related injuries using their own private insurance. He is trying to save half a billion dollars in insurance claims through the VA for those men and women who hold private insurance through their employer. It is not difficult to understand why people are upset. His universal health care package needs cuts in costs. Guess he thought it would be smart to propose cutting coverage for Vets.
You have a problem with people getting upset over this proposal, even though it has not hit the floor for a vote? Is Obama that fragile that you need to block him from this criticism?
Gimme a break. He is the POTUS - when he brings up stupid shit he gets called on it. Big boy rules apply.
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The fact that he WANTS to do it is alarming in a huge way.
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I thought that part wasn't a rumor.
Hell, it's a very bad rumor about Obama, so obviously the
proper thing to do is
to consider it true. @@
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I understand the proposal.
Well, not really a proposal per se, but a rumor. That's my point.
Getting all riled up over a rumor is a waste of energy.
mz. said:
I understand the proposal.Well, not really a proposal per se, but a rumor. That's my point.
Getting all riled up over a rumor is a waste of energy.
Dude when are you going to start educating yourself on issues, and stop being such a blowhard?
The President's own Secretary of Veterans Affairs contradicts your "rumor" theory:
Last week, Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed to the House and Senate committees on veterans’ affairs that the idea to bill veterans’ private individual insurance was being considered by the administration but was not yet a formal proposal.
How would you consider it a rumor??
Unless of course you - once again - are ignorant of the facts and simply tow a party line.
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When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.
I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
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When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.
I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
mz. said:
When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
Of course you're moving on. You were called on your 'this is a rumor so we don't even know if Obama wanted it" bullshit and now you don't want to have to continue having your ignorance thrown back at you.
Too late. You're cooked again.
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When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.
I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
mz. said:
When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
No shit. We all know how you think the military are baby killing, uneducated thugs. Loser.
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mz. said:
When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
No shit. We all know how you think the military are baby killing, uneducated thugs. Loser.
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No shit. We all know how you think the military are baby killing, uneducated thugs. Loser.
You are, aren't you?
PS Jeffro, this isn't about whether or not I agree with the proposal. It's that the thing doesn't even exist.
PPS How was that "vacation?"
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You can argue the merits of the idea all you want, but this is much more than a rumor:
The administration sees the plan as a way of raising more than $500 million in revenues for the Department of Veterans Affairs. However, veterans groups see it is a violation of the government's moral obligation to treat veterans injured during service to their country.
In addition, they believe it will lead to veterans and their families losing their private insurance or premiums rising because of the high costs of treating many service-related injuries.
The head of the Senate Veterans Affairs committee, Daniel Akaka, said Tuesday his committee "will not advance any such legislation."
His counterpart in the House, Bob Filner, said his
committee won't take up the proposal either. In a statement released by his office, Filner said the idea is "DOA" and said the budget "cannot be balanced on the backs (or legs, or kidneys, or hearts) of our nation's combat-wounded heroes."
The president pushed back during the meeting on Monday, telling the groups that the private insurance companies were getting a free ride. He challenged the veterans to come up with an alternative way to raise revenues.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/...rance-proposal/
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No shit. We all know how you think the military are baby killing, uneducated thugs. Loser.
You are, aren't you?
PS Jeffro, this isn't about whether or not I agree with the proposal. It's that the thing doesn't even exist.
PPS How was that "vacation?"
mz. said:
You are, aren't you?PS Jeffro, this isn't about whether or not I agree with the proposal. It's that the thing doesn't even exist.
PPS How was that "vacation?"
LMAO. I could care less about a ban. We know all the mod's in here are on your side. I have been in discussion with other posters via email. I realize that legacy, Dak, Chic, etc. are on your side. I could give a shit less. It's kind of laughable that you think it's a big deal. But then again you think it's a popularity contest I guess. Must be lonely having no "real friends"!
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@danamal said:
The proposal is for service men and women to be treated for service related injuries using their own private insuranceUhhhhhhh,
Having been in the service if you could give me a choice between Frank Burns or my own private doctor,thats no contest and I would be glad to have that as an option.
That's the most idiotic statement you have ever made. We aren't talking about your service in peace time, we are talking about people with injuries incurred in combat. Service Connected. I think the VA has excellent Doctors, most are staffed by University Hospital residents. Frank Burns? Good lord.
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@danamal said:
Again,given the choice I would visit my doctor and use my insurance any day over the military as I am fortunate to have kick ass healthcare coverage,and there is no such thing as a highly rated VA hospital,That would be like diehard screaming im the smartest guy here while riding the short bus.For the record, my service to this country is no better or worse than anyone elses.
My father had a hip replacement in a VA hospital. 15 years later he's jogging on it. I guess it depends where you go?
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