Soft coaching. Soft Results.
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Only thing I'll say is T.Williams got his penalty trying to make a play. That's more than can be said for the bulk of our penalties.
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Good point Tour. Still you want the players being smart and aggressive. This penalty if it didn't cost the Browns the game it did cost them the opportunity to win the game in overtime.
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And you don't give them a second chance on a missed FG- that was a true spirit crusher.
Ag69 had already thrown his best curse at Lambo's first, game-winning attempt... had nothing left for the second.
Only thing I'll say is T.Williams got his penalty trying to make a play. That's more than can be said for the bulk of our penalties.
Ag69 had already thrown his best curse at Lambo's first, game-winning attempt... had nothing left for the second.
It was supremely arrogant of me to think I could single-handedly lift the Browns curse for one fucking play. I squandered it. Should have saved it for the 2017 draft to get Myles Garrett who will be as good or better than our other Aggie star, Von Miller.
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Was expecting a "It's time to fire O'Neil" thread. Was disappointed.
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You can't blame the coach for all those penalties. Not his fault guys jump offsides. Only so much coaching can do.
He has his share of the blame tho.
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Listening to the Fan, a caller made another good point about our front office. I thought we had a good coordinator with Shanahan. Now, he's gone. Atlanta is on Fire. Scoring running and passing TD's. We have 1 rushing TD. Granted, I don't think we have the personnel that Atlanta has nor the weapons, so what does that tell you?
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Listening to the Fan, a caller made another good point about our front office. I thought we had a good coordinator with Shanahan. Now, he's gone. Atlanta is on Fire. Scoring running and passing TD's. We have 1 rushing TD. Granted, I don't think we have the personnel that Atlanta has nor the weapons, so what does that tell you?
Listening to the Fan, a caller made another good point about our front office. I thought we had a good coordinator with Shanahan. Now, he's gone. Atlanta is on Fire. Scoring running and passing TD's. We have 1 rushing TD. Granted, I don't think we have the personnel that Atlanta has nor the weapons, so what does that tell you?
Our offense did pretty good yesterday, hard to criticize them too much after yesterday and it's important to note the Browns biggest weapon is Travis Benjamin.
Shanahan didn't want to be here, regardless.
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shanny wanted to somewhere else, where he knew he had a place...
where there was a truck load of talent.
Stop the whining and the whining. Seriously.
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Listening to the Fan, a caller made another good point about our front office. I thought we had a good coordinator with Shanahan. Now, he's gone. Atlanta is on Fire. Scoring running and passing TD's. We have 1 rushing TD. Granted, I don't think we have the personnel that Atlanta has nor the weapons, so what does that tell you?
Listening to the Fan, a caller made another good point about our front office. I thought we had a good coordinator with Shanahan. Now, he's gone. Atlanta is on Fire. Scoring running and passing TD's. We have 1 rushing TD. Granted, I don't think we have the personnel that Atlanta has nor the weapons, so what does that tell you?
Atlanta has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Devonta Freeman.
We have Josh McCown, Dwayne Bowe, Brian Hartline and Isaiah Crowell.
I see your point, we should be scoring just as much as them.
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i guess no one saw the buffalo game yesterday? talk about losing a game because of penalties...holy shit.
yeah everyone wants wins. we played well enough to win the game. a couple of mistakes here and there and ytou end up with a loss.
oh yeah, speaking of buffalo, i fi here anyone on here praise mr sammy watkins again i might die laughing.
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everyone hated shanahan's play calling last year and most were happy when he decides to leave. now that he has some talent to work with he's a genius? quinne? arians? you just named 2 coordinators who have won dick as HCs.
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everyone hated shanahan's play calling last year and most were happy when he decides to leave. now that he has some talent to work with he's a genius? quinne? arians? you just named 2 coordinators who have won dick as HCs.
everyone hated shanahan's play calling last year and most were happy when he decides to leave. now that he has some talent to work with he's a genius? quinne? arians? you just named 2 coordinators who have won dick as HCs.
Not to mention, I don't think there's anything wrong with the offensive playcalling when we put 27 points on the board yesterday.
Defensive playcalling....now that is a whole nother story..
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everyone hated shanahan's play calling last year and most were happy when he decides to leave. now that he has some talent to work with he's a genius? quinne? arians? you just named 2 coordinators who have won dick as HCs.
Not to mention, I don't think there's anything wrong with the offensive playcalling when we put 27 points on the board yesterday.
Defensive playcalling....now that is a whole nother story..
Not to mention, I don't think there's anything wrong with the offensive playcalling when we put 27 points on the board yesterday.
Defensive playcalling....now that is a whole nother story..
pschyzophrenic is what i call o'neill's d playcalling. first couple of series the browns were showing exoctic schemes and the blitzes were working. then he has the d fall back into it's regular lame look?
c'mon man!
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Not to mention, I don't think there's anything wrong with the offensive playcalling when we put 27 points on the board yesterday.
Defensive playcalling....now that is a whole nother story..
pschyzophrenic is what i call o'neill's d playcalling. first couple of series the browns were showing exoctic schemes and the blitzes were working. then he has the d fall back into it's regular lame look?
c'mon man!
pschyzophrenic is what i call o'neill's d playcalling. first couple of series the browns were showing exoctic schemes and the blitzes were working. then he has the d FAIL back into it's regular lame look?
c'mon man!
Fixed it for ya mik.
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Listening to the Fan, a caller made another good point about our front office. I thought we had a good coordinator with Shanahan. Now, he's gone. Atlanta is on Fire. Scoring running and passing TD's. We have 1 rushing TD. Granted, I don't think we have the personnel that Atlanta has nor the weapons, so what does that tell you?
Atlanta has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Devonta Freeman.
We have Josh McCown, Dwayne Bowe, Brian Hartline and Isaiah Crowell.
I see your point, we should be scoring just as much as them.
Atlanta has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Devonta Freeman.
We have Josh McCown, Dwayne Bowe, Brian Hartline and Isaiah Crowell.
I see your point, we should be scoring just as much as them.
I think some of you miss the point (even after acknowledging that we dont have the talent that Atlanta does). Why didn't Shanahan work? What was the issue there? After reading, listening, digesting, the issues all point to failures in the front office. And, now, going into season 2 with this regime, it's not getting better.
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sure there has been some major fails from the front office but show me 5 teams that have consistently hit on first rounders?
half you complainers loved the TR pick. or how about you geniuses "we have to trade everything for RG3!"? where are you little fuckers now? i knew clowney would be a bust. i knew winston would be a bust.
shit ain't easy. if it was walter would be a GM.
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Atlanta has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Devonta Freeman.
We have Josh McCown, Dwayne Bowe, Brian Hartline and Isaiah Crowell.
I see your point, we should be scoring just as much as them.
I think some of you miss the point (even after acknowledging that we dont have the talent that Atlanta does). Why didn't Shanahan work? What was the issue there? After reading, listening, digesting, the issues all point to failures in the front office. And, now, going into season 2 with this regime, it's not getting better.
I think some of you miss the point (even after acknowledging that we dont have the talent that Atlanta does). Why didn't Shanahan work? What was the issue there? After reading, listening, digesting, the issues all point to failures in the front office. And, now, going into season 2 with this regime, it's not getting better.
He didn't like the low level of authority he had and wanted more playmakers. Ray Farmer won't add a WR to this team, Shanahan wanted one. That's probably the main reason - he was worried his system wouldn't work without a talented #1 WR and a talented QB.
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I think some of you miss the point (even after acknowledging that we dont have the talent that Atlanta does). Why didn't Shanahan work? What was the issue there? After reading, listening, digesting, the issues all point to failures in the front office. And, now, going into season 2 with this regime, it's not getting better.
He didn't like the low level of authority he had and wanted more playmakers. Ray Farmer won't add a WR to this team, Shanahan wanted one. That's probably the main reason - he was worried his system wouldn't work without a talented #1 WR and a talented QB.
He didn't like the low level of authority he had and wanted more playmakers. Ray Farmer won't add a WR to this team, Shanahan wanted one. That's probably the main reason - he was worried his system wouldn't work without a talented #1 WR and a talented QB.
So Farmer thinks (and maybe Pettine) that this league can still be a running game? Just asking here. The run is important, but the way the league has devolved, the passing game is where the offense can hit. The running game can be utilized, but both have to work in tandem.
I'd like to know also what is going on with Hartline. I liked the pick up. I thought he was going to be able to get open more. Or is McCown just missing him?
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sure there has been some major fails from the front office but show me 5 teams that have consistently hit on first rounders?
half you complainers loved the TR pick. or how about you geniuses "we have to trade everything for RG3!"? where are you little fuckers now? i knew clowney would be a bust. i knew winston would be a bust.
shit ain't easy. if it was walter would be a GM.
sure there has been some major fails from the front office but show me 5 teams that have consistently hit on first rounders?
half you complainers loved the TR pick. or how about you geniuses "we have to trade everything for RG3!"? where are you little fuckers now? i knew clowney would be a bust. i knew winston would be a bust.
shit ain't easy. if it was walter would be a GM.
Just like everyone is saying about me and Mariota - it's too early to call Winston a bust. Same goes for Clowney.
I did not like the TR pick, and I still think a team can benefit from RG3 if he's utilized correctly. Any single guy that's drafted in the NFL has the talent to be successful, the problem is whether or not he's in the right system and whether or not he's utilized correctly.
Even the worst QB on the field can give his team a chance to win, if he's in a system that complements him - as witnessed yesterday. McCown played absolutely on fire yesterday, in case anyone didn't recognize. Top 5 in the league in rating and yards, all the while being sacked four times.
Pettine/Farmer's offensive philosophy held true yesterday, we were able to put together a strong offensive performance. The defense is what lost us the game. San Diego had scored a combined 34 points in the past two games, and we allowed them to put up 30. It's few and far between where you can score 27 and not win - 22 teams scored less than 27 points yesterday.
Yesterday was encouraging, in every single way. We lost because we're dumb, not because we were outplayed. It's rare that's happened to us lately, and that's why I'm laughing at everyone who is flipping their lids over yesterday. We giftwrapped the Chargers almost 100 yards, then gave them two kicks to win it. Even with our shitty defense playing shitty shit.
Coaching mistakes can be fixed. McCown has looked serviceable to downright good in the last two games. Benjamin is looking strong, Hartline is a clone of what Austin provided last year, and CrowDuke finally looked like they were worth the time of day.
So fuck Shanahan. McCown threw for more yards and more TD's yesterday and is half of the QB that Ryan is, at a infinitesimal amount of the price tag. Give Flip a #1 WR like Julio, and he'd be able to draw up the same gameplan with the same results. Shanahan wasn't anything special.
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He didn't like the low level of authority he had and wanted more playmakers. Ray Farmer won't add a WR to this team, Shanahan wanted one. That's probably the main reason - he was worried his system wouldn't work without a talented #1 WR and a talented QB.
So Farmer thinks (and maybe Pettine) that this league can still be a running game? Just asking here. The run is important, but the way the league has devolved, the passing game is where the offense can hit. The running game can be utilized, but both have to work in tandem.
I'd like to know also what is going on with Hartline. I liked the pick up. I thought he was going to be able to get open more. Or is McCown just missing him?
So Farmer thinks (and maybe Pettine) that this league can still be a running game? Just asking here. The run is important, but the way the league has devolved, the passing game is where the offense can hit. The running game can be utilized, but both have to work in tandem.
I'd like to know also what is going on with Hartline. I liked the pick up. I thought he was going to be able to get open more. Or is McCown just missing him?
This league is a balanced league, if anything.
The Patriots were exactly 16th in the league in passing play percentage (59.59%), while Seattle was 31st in passing play percentage (48.56%).
Top passing teams from 2014 -
Oakland
Chicago
Atlanta
Jacksonville
New Orleans
Indianapolis
Detroit
Tampa Bay
Granted, some of this is exacerbated by game situation (being behind = passing more) but the teams that commonly are thought to be passing teams (Detroit, New Orleans, Atlanta) don't have much postseason success so much as the ones that are more balanced (Pittsburgh, New England, Denver, Giants, Baltimore, Green Bay).
You either play to your strengths when they are overwhelming, or you play to your opponents weaknesses. You either put a player on the field who can't be stopped or you don't give your opponents a gameplan for how to beat you. Everybody and their mother knew Marshawn Lynch was running the ball last year...didn't matter. He was going to run it down your throat until you crammed 9 in the box, and then Wilson was going to hit you over top.
Conversely, New England prides themselves on being sufficient at every aspect of the game. They've had a different receiving and rushing leader each year for the past three years. You tip your hand and show blitz, Brady audibles to a quick hitch. You show man coverage, Brady changes the formation and flexes out a slot WR wide, then hits you over the top when your LB can't cover. You walk out with 8 in the box, Brady PA's his RB, streaks his flanker, posts his slot, and slants his backside TE to fill. Then, when you're worried about all of those things and you're sitting back on your heels, he hands it off up the middle and you get caught with your thumb up someone else's ass.
If you give your opponents a gameplan how to beat you, they'll eventually figure it out. If you're sufficient at every level and have a QB who knows how to distribute to the open man, you'll be just fine.
That's what I think Pettine and Farmer believe. That's why they aren't going out and getting a top WR. That's why they aren't investing in a workhorse back. That's why we're running a mixture of zone and power up front. They are getting this time reps under fire in a number of situations because we don't have a true strength.
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