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  • C Clevfan4life

    @bbedward said:

    An NFL coach should be able to recognize this and modify scheme based on the personnel he has. Everybody should play where they're most effective.

    We don't have that now, which is why O'Neil is under fire. His unwillingness to change things that aren't working or change player assignments is cause for concern.

    I 100% agree. Maybe they thought they could do some of the same things they did in Buffalo but woefully over estimated the talent here.

    @clevfan4life said:

    I 100% agree. Maybe they thought they could do some of the same things they did in Buffalo but woefully over estimated the talent here.

    Getting rid of Taylor and letting guys like Sheared walk was dumb , too!.. Athyba Rhubin aint doing to bad right now.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • nickersN nickers

    @clevfan4life said:

    I 100% agree. Maybe they thought they could do some of the same things they did in Buffalo but woefully over estimated the talent here.

    Getting rid of Taylor and letting guys like Sheared walk was dumb , too!.. Athyba Rhubin aint doing to bad right now.

    @nickers said:

    Getting rid of Taylor and letting guys like Sheared walk was dumb , too!.. Athyba Rhubin aint doing to bad right now.

    I heard that...and like everyone was so sure Rubin was done. It just boggles my mind. Sheard I understood at the time letting walk cause he's a 4-3 guy and it just seemed like we had too many strong side LB'ers. I haven't been paying much attention to his stats in NE but they run a 4-3 now right? So he goes back to putting his hands down and now his career is picking up, FFS. Why couldn't our staff look at the talent we had and just ran a 4-3? We could have both Bryants and Kruger/Sheard rotating at ends. I'll have to check but I'll bet NE put those lb's back on Sheard during the offseason and that's why he's resurgent.

  • C Clevfan4life

    @nickers said:

    Getting rid of Taylor and letting guys like Sheared walk was dumb , too!.. Athyba Rhubin aint doing to bad right now.

    I heard that...and like everyone was so sure Rubin was done. It just boggles my mind. Sheard I understood at the time letting walk cause he's a 4-3 guy and it just seemed like we had too many strong side LB'ers. I haven't been paying much attention to his stats in NE but they run a 4-3 now right? So he goes back to putting his hands down and now his career is picking up, FFS. Why couldn't our staff look at the talent we had and just ran a 4-3? We could have both Bryants and Kruger/Sheard rotating at ends. I'll have to check but I'll bet NE put those lb's back on Sheard during the offseason and that's why he's resurgent.

    @clevfan4life said:

    I heard that...and like everyone was so sure Rubin was done. It just boggles my mind. Sheard I understood at the time letting walk cause he's a 4-3 guy and it just seemed like we had too many strong side LB'ers. I haven't been paying much attention to his stats in NE but they run a 4-3 now right? So he goes back to putting his hands down and now his career is picking up, FFS. Why couldn't our staff look at the talent we had and just ran a 4-3? We could have both Bryants and Kruger/Sheard rotating at ends. I'll have to check but I'll bet NE put those lb's back on Sheard during the offseason and that's why he's resurgent.

    "Well it isn't really right to identify as 3-4 or 4-3 because we run a mixed scheme and will fit it to the talent we have it will always be different"

    blah, blah

    The incompetence is truly hard to grasp, it's no coincidence Sheard's productivity went down when we changed to a 3-4 under Horton, but both Horton and Pettine/O'Neil said they're "not 3-4 guys"

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  • This Sunday against the ravens would be a great time to start executing. No need to wait until the season is lost to start doing things right. Both clubs are 1-3 and the winner will have the chance to salvage their season while the loser at 1-4 the season looks really bleak. Not a time to panic but time to see a sense of urgency out of the Browns.

  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @clevfan4life said:

    I heard that...and like everyone was so sure Rubin was done. It just boggles my mind. Sheard I understood at the time letting walk cause he's a 4-3 guy and it just seemed like we had too many strong side LB'ers. I haven't been paying much attention to his stats in NE but they run a 4-3 now right? So he goes back to putting his hands down and now his career is picking up, FFS. Why couldn't our staff look at the talent we had and just ran a 4-3? We could have both Bryants and Kruger/Sheard rotating at ends. I'll have to check but I'll bet NE put those lb's back on Sheard during the offseason and that's why he's resurgent.

    "Well it isn't really right to identify as 3-4 or 4-3 because we run a mixed scheme and will fit it to the talent we have it will always be different"

    blah, blah

    The incompetence is truly hard to grasp, it's no coincidence Sheard's productivity went down when we changed to a 3-4 under Horton, but both Horton and Pettine/O'Neil said they're "not 3-4 guys"

    @bbedward said:

    , but both Horton and Pettine/O'Neil said they're "not 3-4 guys"

    really? that's weird given the 3-4 is all any of em have ever run their whole careers which was my understanding. Hell Pettine stood up Mario Williams in Buffalo who had been a "strict" 4-3 DE his whole career.

  • C Clevfan4life

    @bbedward said:

    , but both Horton and Pettine/O'Neil said they're "not 3-4 guys"

    really? that's weird given the 3-4 is all any of em have ever run their whole careers which was my understanding. Hell Pettine stood up Mario Williams in Buffalo who had been a "strict" 4-3 DE his whole career.

    @clevfan4life said:

    really? that's weird given the 3-4 is all any of em have ever run their whole careers which was my understanding. Hell Pettine stood up Mario Williams in Buffalo who had been a "strict" 4-3 DE his whole career.

    I know what they are, but they both gave the same narrative when people expressed concern of switching to a 3-4/running the 3-4. Basically that they're "hybrid" guys.

  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @clevfan4life said:

    really? that's weird given the 3-4 is all any of em have ever run their whole careers which was my understanding. Hell Pettine stood up Mario Williams in Buffalo who had been a "strict" 4-3 DE his whole career.

    I know what they are, but they both gave the same narrative when people expressed concern of switching to a 3-4/running the 3-4. Basically that they're "hybrid" guys.

    @bbedward said:

    I know what they are, but they both gave the same narrative when people expressed concern of switching to a 3-4/running the 3-4. Basically that they're "hybrid" guys.

    I honestly thought last year that we had some sweet personnel to run a Hybrid cause of Kruger and Mingo......sigh

  • This thread is hilarious.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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  • New England run a 3-4 base which Sheard is excelling in. Why can't they use Mingo's speed to pressure the passer, that's his strength after all, then putting Kruger in pass coverage and relying on journeyman Scott Solomon who played all of one quarter this season is laughable.

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    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/10/should_struggling_cleveland_br.html#incart_most-commented_osu_article

    We came into the season with high expectations with our defense and I wonder if at least some of the problems are who we let leave this team?

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