2015 O-line Grades: Week 5 @ Ravens
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Great stuff Tour. Glad you caught this new line look. At the game it made it look cool as shit but could only really see JT & Mitch's work. This new line coach ideas? This new line formation looks more of a passing pocket formation? Gives side official of who's lining up offside & it's not us anymore moving? It makes sense on your momentum comment but imo I think it may have helped with our impatient backs that our set up deeper than normal to me. The timing to the hole did look better on tape but some need to get there head up and hit the right hole even if it is the wrong one. but better.Thanks
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Does anyone else have an approach when they read this? Like do you read it straight through or do you shoot straight to what you're dying to know?
Lately l been going straight to the Mack grade, then the fullback, then reading the rest. Last year l went straight to the Schwartz. Which sounds gay as hell.
I find myself rooting like hell for the weak link, or percieved weak link, and l hate it that it's our Center this year.
I think you may be right Tour, and it unfortunately might be a year before Mack is back to his road grading self.
Like with Benji, and there's a story down here in Cincyland about one of their D linemen who came back from a leg injury last year, and kinda sucked last year, but is tearing it up this year.
Ringo sucked though. Probably the luckiest guy ever in rock n roll, to be that untalented and paired up with those maestros of music, it's like hitting the lottery 5 times over.
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Does anyone else have an approach when they read this? Like do you read it straight through or do you shoot straight to what you're dying to know?
Lately l been going straight to the Mack grade, then the fullback, then reading the rest. Last year l went straight to the Schwartz. Which sounds gay as hell.
I find myself rooting like hell for the weak link, or percieved weak link, and l hate it that it's our Center this year.
I think you may be right Tour, and it unfortunately might be a year before Mack is back to his road grading self.
Like with Benji, and there's a story down here in Cincyland about one of their D linemen who came back from a leg injury last year, and kinda sucked last year, but is tearing it up this year.
Ringo sucked though. Probably the luckiest guy ever in rock n roll, to be that untalented and paired up with those maestros of music, it's like hitting the lottery 5 times over.
Like with Benji, and there's a story down here in Cincyland about one of their D linemen who came back from a leg injury last year, and kinda sucked last year, but is tearing it up this year.
Yeah... that would be Geno Atkins... hadn't occurred to me before, but now two-years removed from his knee, he's back at his pre-injury level for the first time.
This new line formation looks more of a passing pocket formation?
It makes sense on your momentum comment but imo I think it may have helped with our impatient backs that our set up deeper than normal to me.
Hadn't thought about the backs, but if they are the same depth they've always been, then they're closer to the OGs by a yard. So they'd better be more patient.
Thinking about the passing game... not sure if our new look offers anything advantageous in PassPro, but it can potentially keep any WR "on the line" a yard away from any press DB.
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Yo Tour. I'm exhausted and need to get some sleep before a big day of CFB, so I will review all your commentary as well as post my notes tomorrow, but I just finished my grades so here you go. Final grades are at the bottom.
On my other board when I use the snag.gy link, it automatically posts the chart of the grades on the actual forum, but looks like that's not supported here so ya'll will have to click on it.
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Thomas is ageless.....and an amazing player!!!!
And folks had him near the end of his rainbow last season????.....HA!.....he's a 7 ft - 300 lb energizer bunny
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Dont look now, but PFF has Thomas rated as the #1 LT and Schwartz rated as the #1 RT in the league....
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Dont look now, but PFF has Thomas rated as the #1 LT and Schwartz rated as the #1 RT in the league....
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Dont look now, but PFF has Thomas rated as the #1 LT and Schwartz rated as the #1 RT in the league....
Dont look now, but PFF has Thomas rated as the #1 LT and Schwartz rated as the #1 RT in the league....
Cool... and inside?
On my other board when I use the snag.gy link, it automatically posts the chart of the grades on the actual forum, but looks like that's not supported here so ya'll will have to click on it.
Interesting... like to talk a few plays here and there as time permits where we seem to be seeing different things.
As for your form... looks like an xls file... did you try uploading it directly to the forum?
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Dont look now, but PFF has Thomas rated as the #1 LT and Schwartz rated as the #1 RT in the league....
Cool... and inside?
On my other board when I use the snag.gy link, it automatically posts the chart of the grades on the actual forum, but looks like that's not supported here so ya'll will have to click on it.
Interesting... like to talk a few plays here and there as time permits where we seem to be seeing different things.
As for your form... looks like an xls file... did you try uploading it directly to the forum?
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Dont look now, but PFF has Thomas rated as the #1 LT and Schwartz rated as the #1 RT in the league....
Cool... and inside?
On my other board when I use the snag.gy link, it automatically posts the chart of the grades on the actual forum, but looks like that's not supported here so ya'll will have to click on it.
Interesting... like to talk a few plays here and there as time permits where we seem to be seeing different things.
As for your form... looks like an xls file... did you try uploading it directly to the forum?
Cool... and inside?
Interesting... like to talk a few plays here and there as time permits where we seem to be seeing different things.
As for your form... looks like an xls file... did you try uploading it directly to the forum?
How would I do that? Just copy and paste?
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By the way Tour, grades can be either a direct grade for the play (0 because you were in pass pro and didn't have to touch anyone) or an average of a play that had multiple parts (double team worthy of a +.5 combined with a chip up to the LB worthy of a -.5 would also be a 0 grade). Don't put too much faith in my box counts. I use the regular broadcast angle and I can't always tell.
Observations:
--S2P2, I gave Joe a -.5 and Bito a .5. Bito blocked his guy into Joe which, combined with the Baltimore player’s punch, threw Joe off balance. I almost gave Joe a 0 thinking it was Bito’s fault, but you really can’t blame the latter as he did a pretty nice job on his man.
--S2P7, hard to determine who whiffed between Mack and Greco. The following people were on the play:
ILB-Comes flying into Mack
What looks like a 1-tech (can’t tell on tape)-Runs outside to Schwartz
Edge man-Drops into coverage
Safety-Blitzes late, runs between Bito and Mack
Play went down pretty quickly. Normally I’d say Mack should release to the safety, giving the ILB to Greco, as Greco had no one to block. Instead, Mack holds onto his man (the ILB), Greco tries (and fails, since it’s so far away) to get a block on the safety, and both the ILB and safety run free to McCown. Perhaps Mack didn’t pass the ILB off to Greco because Greco wasn’t there. Can’t tell. I gave a -1 to Mack and a -.5 to Greco. Would be worse except that I try to adjust for a good play by the defenders, which there was here. Also, maybe the grades should be flipped. Or maybe Greco isn’t at fault at all. That’s why I ask your opinion here.
--Looks to me like Schwartz opens up too deep on some of his pass sets. Our guy at A&M (who is supposed to be drafted pretty high this year) has the same problem (or maybe “problem”), so maybe they’re coached that way, but I doubt it. He opens up so far that by the time he makes contact with the defender, he’s only a few steps ahead of McCown, and the defender’s punch causes him to be even closer to McCown. I think part of the disparity between your grades and mine may be that you're not docking him for that and I am because he gets too close to McCown for comfort, but I'll let you decide.
--Bito’s punch/extension is absolutely devastating. A thing of beauty.
--S4P5, gotta love Joe being locked out by the defender so he tries to get a hand on the guy’s head. Funny.
--S6P5, Joe blocks a guy. Bito blocks a guy. A guy goes between Bito and Mack. Mack lets that guy go to Duke (who does a beautiful job stonewalling him), instead choosing to block no one. Greco has no one to block. Schwartz blocks the edge rusher. Another blitzer runs outside of Joe and pressures McCown. Tour, should I/did you dock Mack for letting Duke pick the guy up? Should Thomas have taken that outside blitzer, Bito take the guy Thomas got, Duke take the guy Bito got, then Mack take the guy Duke got? The grades on this play might be out of whack because of this confusion and I can adjust them later depending on the answer here.
--The initial punch of the noseguard is knocking Mack out of sync WAY too often. Fortunately, he recovers pretty well so it doesn’t have an impact as often as it should, but geez, his whole body just gets rocked back. Though it did seem that the Ravens rushers tended to go for the blockers' facemasks pretty often.
--S8P3, not sure what in the world the Mack, Greco, and Schwartz were attempting to do, but at least Greco and Schwartz did it poorly.
--Tour, is Joe known as having an awkward style? Maybe not awkward, but unconventional? Or if not that, maybe just so-much-better-than-everyone-else-that-it-looks-strange? His back is parallel to the ground in his 2 point stance. Schwartz’s is much closer to a 45 degree angle, as is the vast majority of tackles I’ve ever seen. But what’s more is Joe keeps that head and back so low throughout his pass set that he always has amazing leverage. The whole thing just looks weird compared to most tackles.
-I see Mack not getting off chip blocks quickly enough. Makes for a pretty pancake on the double team, but that LB is making plays pretty consistently.
-Late in the game, Greco got pretty exhausted. His quickness off the snap took a huge hit. Granted, those DTs were very good IMO. But I still docked Greco for coming out of his stance too quickly and that's why you saw a string of negative grades starting in the back half of the last series in regulation. I try to account for as much as possible, so even if you did your job on a given play, if you showed poor form or did not execute fundamentals like proper stance and getoff, I factor that in to the grade.
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Reactions to your post compared with mine:
S11P2 which was the first play with pictures in your post, I gave Joe a +1, so we're in lockstep there. In S2P9 where Dumervil got the best of him, you went D-, but I merely gave him a -.5. You mention in S9P3 he didn't block either of two rushers. I have him at -1. Biggest disparity so far is S8P5 and S11P9 where you give Joe D+ and I merely gave him 0. If this discussion warrants, I can take another look at the play and give some rationale.
"If there is a bright spot, it is that late, with the game in the balance, Alex upped his game." This actually kind of scares me, because it supports the "his mind is elsewhere" theory while doing nothing for the more optimistic "maybe he's not yet fully recovered" theory. On S2P4 you gave Alex a D- and this was my only -2 grade for anyone in this game.
We both noticed Mack failing to chip.
Is S8P12 the incompletion to Barnidge with a flag on Baltimore for use of hands? If so, you gave Mack D+ while I gave him -1. I'll have to check that out again. So far that's only the second time I've had a positive or negative and you've had the opposite, which I feel pretty good about so far (assuming you know what you're doing
).I compared our grades so far up to your notes on Mack. I will continue later. You use the word pretty alot. You're not a Mardi Gras Indian, are you? (Props if you get the reference.)
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How would I do that? Just copy and paste?
Turns out xls files are not accepted by site.
The upload route is through the post preview page. Click "More Reply Options" to get there. Under the Preview pane is the edit pane, and under the edit pane are the Browse and Upload buttons.
I'm still up for looking at various plays from Week 5 if you are.
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Me too, but it's your turn.
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