The Latest on "The Trade"
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Makes entertaining reading but Quinn isn't going anywhere...................................
Entertaining but not not reality.
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No way the Browns will trade BQ. The reason was actually stated by a poster. With BQ at the helm of the Browns the fans will be patient. The fans will be loyal and allow the team to build through the draft. If the Browns trade BQ it will be unacceptable to most of the fan base and the honeymoon will be over. If you trade the Golden Boy then you better produce wins now or you will not be forgiven.
Personally I would do the trade, if you can get a 1 and 2 for BQ then you should jump on it. It would speed up the Browns building process. And I am not sure that it would have much of a negative impact on next season. But anything short of a number 1 and 3 I think that the Browns should keep BQ and see what he can do.
Like others have said though, no way does Denver do this trade for just BQ. They would need to get players or draft picks with it. It would prolly be multiple picks and players from all three teams. I just don't see this management team as that big of risk takers. So I do not think this trade will happen.
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interesting another 1st round and possibly 2-5th round for quinn, the rumour mill is strange. Mangini and Kokinis are going to be hated by a majority of the fan base for this.
interesting another 1st round and possibly 2-5th round for quinn, the rumour mill is strange. Mangini and Kokinis are going to be hated by a majority of the fan base for this.
Only if we're stuck with shit at QB for 12 years while Quinn goes on to win Superbowls with Denver. Just like Anderson, you don't seem to 'get it'.
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I don't see us trading Quinn either...but good god...if we can get that many high picks for him I'll fly to Cleveland to help him pack. I want to see Andersuck out of here as much as most all of you...but I also know that this team has a boatload of holes and we need the high draft picks to fill them.
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I don't see us trading Quinn either...but good god...if we can get that many high picks for him I'll fly to Cleveland to help him pack. I want to see Andersuck out of here as much as most all of you...but I also know that this team has a boatload of holes and we need the high draft picks to fill them.
I don't see us trading Quinn either...but good god...if we can get that many high picks for him I'll fly to Cleveland to help him pack. I want to see Andersuck out of here as much as most all of you...but I also know that this team has a boatload of holes and we need the high draft picks to fill them.
Remember, there is still a cap this year and all of these high picks have to be paid.
There sure are a lot of guys between #15 and #65 who could help us a whole bunch though. I guess we could do that, suck to high heaven next year and have a high enough pick to get one of the guys coming out after this season. I wouldn't mind seeing Colt McCoy in a Browns uni.
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How many picks for Quinn?
Mark O don't hurt your back helping BQ pack, let me help you.
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Nothing about getting it. If you could get a 1 and 2 for BQ you should do it. And if you want trade DA also. get a 2nd or 3rd for him as well. This team has far too many holes and I agree that DA is not the answer but then I don't think that BQ is Joe Montana either. I don't think that BQ would lead Denver to super bowl after super bowl and I will give him the season but I am not even sure he will be an above average QB.
I just hope he is half as good as people think he will be. If he is then the Browns should be able to ride his shoulders to the playoffs this year. No rebuilding, no need to get in receivers that don't have drive and game killing drops. No worries because with BQ the kids are back.
I just wonder what the mood will be like if like most young Qbs that BQ has growing pains and does not perform. Then will I see the posts saying we should had dumped him when we could have, doubt it but it will be interesting.
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I've been thinking about it, and honestly if we were to do a trade like this, Denver would benefit far more having DA than Quinn. With Marshall and Royal, the Broncos can already stretch the field, thus the desire for the big arm of DA. Their running game has been disappointing for a few years, so with him stretching the field that should open things up. Additionally, his strengths suit their playmakers far more than Quinn's do (you think Brandon Marshall wants to catch over the middle 8 yard slants?)
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The only thing I'd give up Quinn for is Cutler AND a 1st rounder.... that wont happen.... so were gonna keep him
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When the Cleveland Browns drafted Notre Dame stand-out quarterback Brady Quinn, many observers of the team rejoiced the move. Nearly a season and a half has passed and Quinn has completed 3 passes for a meager 45 yards. Before the 2007 draft, Quinn was touted as the top quarterback and, quite possibly, the best player in the field. He slipped to the 22nd pick, loosened his tie, chewed his gum, and began his NFL career.
Quinn Trade Offer
The NFL trade deadline passed on October 14, 2008 and Quinn remained the Cleveland Browns’ backup quarterback. However, a major rumor swirled regarding a potential trade involving the Minnesota Vikings. In an October 13, 2008 Foxsports.com article entitled "Vikings Offer Browns Draft Picks for Quinn", NFL insider Jay Glazer reports that the Browns were presented with a significant trade offer. It involved the Vikings sending a 1st round draft pick in 2009 and another 1st round pick in 2010 to the Browns for Quinn. The deal was rejected by the Browns. Was Quinn in the Browns' future plans?
If Minnesota offered two 1st rounders then why would we accept anything less now. No way he goes for a 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd
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Here's the problem with this scenario:
The Browns traded a 2nd round pick and used a 1st round pick to select Quinn and all they'd be getting for him now according to the original post in this thread is...a 1st and a 2nd round pick.
Which would mean that we'd have drafted Brady Quinn, who many saw as the best QB in that draft class, never played him for any significant time, and then got ZERO return for him.
Unless ManKok thinks Quinn is the biggest bust since Ryan Leaf, this isn't a step forward. It would be a lateral, 100% rebuild type of move.
And we'd still be without a franchise QB with no franchise QB in this draft.
So though I love the idea of FIVE day one picks in this draft, I can't quite get past the notion that we'd be not only throwing in the towel on this year completely but also flushing completely away the last 2 years of "development" of Quinn.
Again, WITHOUT EVER PLAYING HIM.
This type of thing would be unprecedented to say the least.
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Attempts: 23
Completions: 35
Pass Yds: 239
Touchdowns: 2
Interceptions: 0
Pass %: %65.7
Avg. Pass: 6.8 yds
QB Rating: 104.3
Those are Brady Quinn's stats for the first game he started in the NFL. I dont care who you are, you don't trade a Quarterback who does that in his first game on 2-days notice. Theres just too much potential to be had. Not to mention his career in a pro offense in college and how well he did there. He could potentially be one of THOSE players, you know the ones that only come around every 20 years. Plus, Im sick of my city loosing yet another future all star player to a trade... its happened too many times in the past in Cleveland sports, lets learn from our mistakes
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Attempts: 23
Completions: 35
Pass Yds: 239
Touchdowns: 2
Interceptions: 0
Pass %: %65.7
Avg. Pass: 6.8 yds
QB Rating: 104.3
Those are Brady Quinn's stats for the first game he started in the NFL. I dont care who you are, you don't trade a Quarterback who does that in his first game on 2-days notice. Theres just too much potential to be had. Not to mention his career in a pro offense in college and how well he did there. He could potentially be one of THOSE players, you know the ones that only come around every 20 years. Plus, Im sick of my city loosing yet another future all star player to a trade... its happened too many times in the past in Cleveland sports, lets learn from our mistakes
Attempts: 23
Completions: 35
Pass Yds: 239
Touchdowns: 2
Interceptions: 0
Pass %: %65.7
Avg. Pass: 6.8 yds
QB Rating: 104.3
Those are Brady Quinn's stats for the first game he started in the NFL. I dont care who you are, you don't trade a Quarterback who does that in his first game on 2-days notice. Theres just too much potential to be had. Not to mention his career in a pro offense in college and how well he did there. He could potentially be one of THOSE players, you know the ones that only come around every 20 years. Plus, Im sick of my city loosing yet another future all star player to a trade... its happened too many times in the past in Cleveland sports, lets learn from our mistakes
I couldn't agree more...
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Here's the problem with this rumor...............................IT'S ALL BULLSHIT
They aren't trading Quinn.
But tomorrow some other lame ass rumor will be making the rounds and people here are going to get sucked in to discussing it again. And why? Because there isn't anything else to talk about and some moron writers thaink there's a connection.
Let's see, Weis and McDaniel - Weis and Quinn so it must equal McDaniel and Quinn.........2+2+2=10
How about Thomas played in Wisconsin and Green Bay is in WI and Thomas likes outdoors and there is good hunting and fishing in WI..........................Hell, we must be trading Thomas to Green Bay.
WTF
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So if the team can't decide between QBs, has an opportunity to trade the unproven one for a 1st and 2nd, and thinks the existing starter can be serviceable for a year at least with a better coaching staff and supporting cast, why not? Get two first and second round picks this season for a guy that's played all of three games in two years, shop for some help in the line and receivers, coach up the existing QB for a year... if he has an OK year, not a great one, he's still tradeable for at least as much a year down the line, does better than OK he's worth more on the trade market... Now you're two picks ahead of the game this season, and quite possibly ahead of the game trade-value-wise next season too.
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Here's the problem with this rumor...............................IT'S ALL BULLSHIT
They aren't trading Quinn.
But tomorrow some other lame ass rumor will be making the rounds and people here are going to get sucked in to discussing it again. And why? Because there isn't anything else to talk about and some moron writers thaink there's a connection.
Let's see, Weis and McDaniel - Weis and Quinn so it must equal McDaniel and Quinn.........2+2+2=10
How about Thomas played in Wisconsin and Green Bay is in WI and Thomas likes outdoors and there is good hunting and fishing in WI..........................Hell, we must be trading Thomas to Green Bay.
WTF
How about Thomas played in Wisconsin and Green Bay is in WI and Thomas likes outdoors and there is good hunting and fishing in WI..........................Hell, we must be trading Thomas to Green Bay.
O RLY?
What are we getting in return? I mean, if we can get like 3 #1 overall picks for this year, I wouldn't be opposed to it. Add that to the 5 #1's we already have and the 6 2nd round picks, and draft day could be exciting.
Then we can have Savage come in and do their contracts. That should set us up for a LOONNNNGG time.
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So if the team can't decide between QBs, has an opportunity to trade the unproven one for a 1st and 2nd, and thinks the existing starter can be serviceable for a year at least with a better coaching staff and supporting cast, why not? Get two first and second round picks this season for a guy that's played all of three games in two years, shop for some help in the line and receivers, coach up the existing QB for a year... if he has an OK year, not a great one, he's still tradeable for at least as much a year down the line, does better than OK he's worth more on the trade market... Now you're two picks ahead of the game this season, and quite possibly ahead of the game trade-value-wise next season too.
So if the team can't decide between QBs, has an opportunity to trade the unproven one for a 1st and 2nd, and thinks the existing starter can be serviceable for a year at least with a better coaching staff and supporting cast, why not? Get two first and second round picks this season for a guy that's played all of three games in two years, shop for some help in the line and receivers, coach up the existing QB for a year... if he has an OK year, not a great one, he's still tradeable for at least as much a year down the line, does better than OK he's worth more on the trade market... Now you're two picks ahead of the game this season, and quite possibly ahead of the game trade-value-wise next season too.
Haven't seen anywhere that the "team" thinks the existing starter (DA in your scenario) can be serviceable for a year at least with better coaching.
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I don't see Denver trading Cutler straight up for Quinn. (This is the case if the Jets give up the picks.)
The Jets might do this deal. Do they think Cutler is worth a 1st/2nd? They might.
Browns would have to look long and hard at this. 1st and 2nd? That's massive value for any QB, especially one who has three starts under his belt.
I just don't see the Broncos parting with Cutler for this price tag. Not enough in return. (Unless they know something about Quinn that we don't.
)I just don't see the Broncos parting with Cutler for this price tag. Not enough in return. (Unless they know something about Quinn that we don't.
)And this is what it comes down to. The bulk of Cutler's contract has already been paid, and his salary this year is almost nothing (by NFL starting QB standards, at least)....it's around 1.5 mil. They can afford to keep him on the shelf and treat him as a hold-out. I really don't see them trading him unless they get a JAW-DROPPINGLY FAVORABLE trade for them....and just getting Quinn is nowhere close to that.
Because of his contract status they have no NEED to trade him, but there has been a lot of interest generated. I think they're just listening to see if they get an amazing offer. Anything short of that and I think Cutler will still be a Donkey this fall.
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So if the team can't decide between QBs, has an opportunity to trade the unproven one for a 1st and 2nd, and thinks the existing starter can be serviceable for a year at least with a better coaching staff and supporting cast, why not? Get two first and second round picks this season for a guy that's played all of three games in two years, shop for some help in the line and receivers, coach up the existing QB for a year... if he has an OK year, not a great one, he's still tradeable for at least as much a year down the line, does better than OK he's worth more on the trade market... Now you're two picks ahead of the game this season, and quite possibly ahead of the game trade-value-wise next season too.
Haven't seen anywhere that the "team" thinks the existing starter (DA in your scenario) can be serviceable for a year at least with better coaching.
Haven't seen anywhere that the "team" thinks the existing starter (DA in your scenario) can be serviceable for a year at least with better coaching.
If the trade rumors in this thread pan out, that might be the reason it happens.
At this point the team has been completely mum on both QBs so every comment in this thread is pure conjecture.
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