Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Internal discipline and/or current plan.
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I think our time with warograw is growing long in the tooth. Gonna miss you when john ends up elsewhere
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
Her claim that he hit her is a fact of that case.
Another fact of the case is that the police conducted a physical assessment and deemed those claims to be untrue. The only mark found was an abrasion on her arm that aligned with Manziel's story that he grabbed her arm as she tried to leave a moving car.
But picking and choosing facts is always cool too.
Another fact is that she was wasted. Another fact is that, if this were a court of law, her claims wouldn't even be admissible because she was drunk. Another fact is that actual physical evidence is far more credible than statements from a drunk girl. Do you agree or not?
Another fact is that she was wasted. Another fact is that, if this were a court of law, her claims wouldn't even be admissible because she was drunk. Another fact is that actual physical evidence is far more credible than statements from a drunk girl. Do you agree or not?
You need to take the bar exam! It is admissible and happens all the time. Plus, you don't think it cost the Browns as a whole.....Pet being away from what he should be doing...hell, we are 2-4! An, if the top is not clicking...everyone below suffers. Just one of many things that become a drag when dealing with a clown!
Cowher should leave the winning to us! He couldn't even keep the squealers on track because they walked all over him!
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Truth is the truth no matter who says it. Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
Truth is the truth no matter who says it. Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
Really?
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I think our time with warograw is growing long in the tooth. Gonna miss you when john ends up elsewhere
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Another fact is that she was wasted. Another fact is that, if this were a court of law, her claims wouldn't even be admissible because she was drunk. Another fact is that actual physical evidence is far more credible than statements from a drunk girl. Do you agree or not?
You need to take the bar exam! It is admissible and happens all the time. Plus, you don't think it cost the Browns as a whole.....Pet being away from what he should be doing...hell, we are 2-4! An, if the top is not clicking...everyone below suffers. Just one of many things that become a drag when dealing with a clown!
Cowher should leave the winning to us! He couldn't even keep the squealers on track because they walked all over him!
You need to take the bar exam! It is admissible and happens all the time. Plus, you don't think it cost the Browns as a whole.....Pet being away from what he should be doing...hell, we are 2-4! An, if the top is not clicking...everyone below suffers. Just one of many things that become a drag when dealing with a clown!
Cowher should leave the winning to us! He couldn't even keep the squealers on track because they walked all over him!
Wait, 2-4 is Johnny's fault now?
Pettine had to spend part of the presser answering some questions. He and Farmer also had to have a 10 minute meeting, maybe answer a call or two from the NFL. Poor guy. What ever will he do with these 30 minutes that have been zapped?
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I say give him four games starting now to prove that he deserves to be here. Josh has shown his best level of play and is a career back up, I'd rather know sooner rather than later if manziel is worth keeping.
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You need to take the bar exam! It is admissible and happens all the time. Plus, you don't think it cost the Browns as a whole.....Pet being away from what he should be doing...hell, we are 2-4! An, if the top is not clicking...everyone below suffers. Just one of many things that become a drag when dealing with a clown!
Cowher should leave the winning to us! He couldn't even keep the squealers on track because they walked all over him!
Wait, 2-4 is Johnny's fault now?
Pettine had to spend part of the presser answering some questions. He and Farmer also had to have a 10 minute meeting, maybe answer a call or two from the NFL. Poor guy. What ever will he do with these 30 minutes that have been zapped?
Wait, 2-4 is Johnny's fault now?
Pettine had to spend part of the presser answering some questions. He and Farmer also had to have a 10 minute meeting, maybe answer a call or two from the NFL. Poor guy. What ever will he do with these 30 minutes that have been zapped?
That's how ignorant you are concerning business! You think this took 30 minutes....ROTFLMAO! Get back to your lemonade stand and hill-jack lawyering......
Did I say it was Johnny's fault..........maybe Johnny reads these threads and will invite you for a night out drinking for being the blind mule you are!
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Who was drunk in this situation and who wasn't?
. Who knows? Us regular joes were not there for our complimentary alcohol test after we say we had 2 drinks..Who was drunk in this situation and who wasn't?
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This team is going nowhere. Start him,if he sucks,cut him.If he balls out,play him out. Stabler,Namath,and many other qb,s were not saints,but they won games,just like Johnny did for us. Either way,lets get a freaking answer this year. Preferably before the rest of the team gives up.
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This team is going nowhere. Start him,if he sucks,cut him.If he balls out,play him out. Stabler,Namath,and many other qb,s were not saints,but they won games,just like Johnny did for us. Either way,lets get a freaking answer this year. Preferably before the rest of the team gives up.
This team is going nowhere. Start him,if he sucks,cut him.If he balls out,play him out. Stabler,Namath,and many other qb,s were not saints,but they won games,just like Johnny did for us. Either way,lets get a freaking answer this year. Preferably before the rest of the team gives up.
Actually, Stabler was a Saint.
Zombo
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If he hit her, then he should pay the piper like anyone else.
But if she lied and only said he hit her, then he should dump her STAT!
That makes her a really bad influence who just risked his career and sobriety because shes a drunk and cant keep her shit together. And hes weak to her whims or he wouldnt have been drinking at all.
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Pluto preaching at Johnny:
Post #257
I couldn't give away Manziel stuff at our Browns Backer party this week.
Zombo
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13 pages for a backup QB, with a lifetime losing record, that can't crack the roster with of a 2-4 team with a journeyman as their QB....13 pages
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13 pages for a backup QB, with a lifetime losing record, that can't crack the roster with of a 2-4 team with a journeyman as their QB....13 pages
13 pages for a backup QB, with a lifetime losing record, that can't crack the roster with of a 2-4 team with a journeyman as their QB....13 pages
so someone just took you hostage to post your post and make it possibly 14?
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13 pages for a backup QB, with a lifetime losing record, that can't crack the roster with of a 2-4 team with a journeyman as their QB....13 pages
so someone just took you hostage to post your post and make it possibly 14?
so someone just took you hostage to post your post and make it possibly 14?
Just find it funny that people are so amped over a guy who hasn't proven anything. Manziel has been a circus since day one and done nothing to alleviate it. At this point he causes more problems then he solves and I'd be driving the Manziel for President 2016 campaign bus if, when he did play, I saw Andrew Luck type ability.
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In my experience with addiction, addicts tend to be like icebergs. What you can visibly see is only the small part of their problems, and the majority of their issues lie underneath the public eye. In other words, I would guess his problems don't just deal with alcohol, and I would also guess it's much more serious than anyone knows about. I have no insider information, and I am not trying to spread gossip, this is just my opinion. Anyone who goes to rehab for 10 weeks has issues that go deeper than just partying too much. I actually commend him for trying to get his life right. Many of us on this board either have experience with addiction problems, or personally know people who have struggled. Do any of us know many people, if ANY, who got sobriety right THE FIRST TIME? I sure do not.
Sobriety and rehab is a process, and it takes support and continued effort. In order to be successful, Johnny will need to change his "people, places, and things." In other words, he needs change where he goes, scrutinize who he hangs out with, and develop safe and healthy hobbies. Now, he's done some of this already. He moved to a quiet neighborhood, plays golf and studies more...but he hasn't changed the people he associates with. This girlfriend of his is BAD NEWS. I obviously do not know her personally, and perhaps it's unfair of me to say this, but my overall impression of her is that she is in love with "Johnny Football" and the crazy life he brings, and not necessarily in love with him. If she loved him, she wouldn't be drinking with him. She wouldn't get hammered. She'd be a positive influence on him. If that's not what she signed up for, then he needs to make a difficult decision and cut her loose. But I've seen her posts on Instagram and Twitter...she's a partying socialite. NOT what he needs.
I'm going to give Johnny a pass on this one. I don't know one single wealthy 23 year-old who figured out sobriety the first time. It usually doesn't work that way.
In my experience with addiction, addicts tend to be like icebergs. What you can visibly see is only the small part of their problems, and the majority of their issues lie underneath the public eye. In other words, I would guess his problems don't just deal with alcohol, and I would also guess it's much more serious than anyone knows about. I have no insider information, and I am not trying to spread gossip, this is just my opinion. Anyone who goes to rehab for 10 weeks has issues that go deeper than just partying too much. I actually commend him for trying to get his life right. Many of us on this board either have experience with addiction problems, or personally know people who have struggled. Do any of us know many people, if ANY, who got sobriety right THE FIRST TIME? I sure do not.
Sobriety and rehab is a process, and it takes support and continued effort. In order to be successful, Johnny will need to change his "people, places, and things." In other words, he needs change where he goes, scrutinize who he hangs out with, and develop safe and healthy hobbies. Now, he's done some of this already. He moved to a quiet neighborhood, plays golf and studies more...but he hasn't changed the people he associates with. This girlfriend of his is BAD NEWS. I obviously do not know her personally, and perhaps it's unfair of me to say this, but my overall impression of her is that she is in love with "Johnny Football" and the crazy life he brings, and not necessarily in love with him. If she loved him, she wouldn't be drinking with him. She wouldn't get hammered. She'd be a positive influence on him. If that's not what she signed up for, then he needs to make a difficult decision and cut her loose. But I've seen her posts on Instagram and Twitter...she's a partying socialite. NOT what he needs.
I'm going to give Johnny a pass on this one. I don't know one single wealthy 23 year-old who figured out sobriety the first time. It usually doesn't work that way.
I know a lady who celebrated being 25 years sober the week before last, she's only 44, I'll let you do the math, it's about personal accountability and choice regarding lifestyle changes, this is no shot at Johnny, I actually empathise with him, but to say he could make better life choices would be somewhat an understatement.
In regards to team punishment, private/public handling of it all, if Johnny wants to drink/do drugs whatever his poison is, he'll do it, regardless of discipline.
While IMO, this is a non issue, the FACTS we have presented remain an issue, he's young and felt the need to admit himself to rehab, we're told on his own free will, I true, this is a massive statement from a young guy tryin to find his own way in life an the way he wants to lead it.
If it was a "Hollywood style" announcement of saying "sorry I fucked up" and trying to garner press sympathy or anonymity, then his false cover will be blown, it's just a matter of when.
For the time being I personally feel the guy deserves a break, live and let live, he could still yet be the the quarterback this team has been yourning for since our return.
Peace.
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Where's the option to stand by him while he remains a Brown?
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stay with the plan. this shit that happened to him with his drunk GF is just media fodder.
and to those that say start him to see what we have in him: didn't we do that last year and how'd that turn out? pretty sure they know what they got....a qb who needs some more time but is learning. and that's good.
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