***Official Browns Vs Broncos Game Day Thread***
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Nobody except super trolls walter and Soju mentioned "ripping the team apart"
Nobody except super trolls walter and Soju mentioned "ripping the team apart"
There have been plenty of others who think that's the best option.
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I never said that either, I'm just tired of hearing the same bullshit after seeing the same mistakes.
Look, I like Pettine, I really like him in fact. He's not afraid to be aggressive when it comes to game day decisions. That said, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, maybe he should take a more conventional approach in some situations. Like not running a pitch sweep on the opponents 39 yard line in OT.
I'm willing to live through the growing pains when there is evidence of change. Right now Pettine is starting to look like he is one of these guys who refuses to make changes to something that's not working, mainly the defense.
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Nobody except super trolls walter and Soju mentioned "ripping the team apart"
You forgot their brother Diehardbrownsfan. The trio also know as Dumb, Dumber and Dumbass lolNobody except super trolls walter and Soju mentioned "ripping the team apart"
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Diehard isn't exactly known for his rationality
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Flying into cle from London next week, I should probably see a psychiatrist
Flying into cle from London next week, I should probably see a psychiatrist
Especially since that's our Bye week...
That pick 6 happened right in front of me- If Benji ran the wrong route, I'll give McCown a pass- but that ball was under thrown by 10 yards.
Watching the replay I was pretty sure that it was all on McC and his read, but if the ball was that underthrown (not evident in the replay angles), then it makes me think "wrong route" all over again.
Sure, Rodgers is an outstanding qb ... but if even an outstanding qb can suffer with the loss of his wr's... why the hell not give McCown some freakin credit for doing as well as he is doing when he hasn't had them in the first place?
Yet is there any real doubt what Rogers would do with our WR set?
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And no, London, next week is not our Bye week...
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I'll disagree Mik. The hardcore folks who pony up each year are the "fans" in the truest sense of the word. These are the folks shelling out anywhere from $1,000 to $5,000 every year to get fed a crummy Browns product, and overpriced concessions. And for 1\2 the season in Cleveland- in freezing weather. Some of us are driving hundreds of miles to get to the game on top of it. I've often said- if you're a long time Season Ticket holder- you're more married to your seats than you are to your wife. It's just getting really old, seeing teams go from the playoffs to the basement, and back to playoff caliber (Panthers, Bengals) while since 1999, the Browns have largely been the joke of the NFL.
That pick 6 happened right in front of me- If Benji ran the wrong route, I'll give McCown a pass- but that ball was under thrown by 10 yards.
That's the point- we had numerous opportunities to win that game- but we blew it. As they say, good teams find a way to win, bad teams find a way to lose. When we went in full reverse after Mingo's interception- that old feeling of impending doom crept over me.
I'll disagree Mik. The hardcore folks who pony up each year are the "fans" in the truest sense of the word. These are the folks shelling out anywhere from $1,000 to $5,000 every year to get fed a crummy Browns product, and overpriced concessions. And for 1\2 the season in Cleveland- in freezing weather. Some of us are driving hundreds of miles to get to the game on top of it. I've often said- if you're a long time Season Ticket holder- you're more married to your seats than you are to your wife. It's just getting really old, seeing teams go from the playoffs to the basement, and back to playoff caliber (Panthers, Bengals) while since 1999, the Browns have largely been the joke of the NFL.
That pick 6 happened right in front of me- If Benji ran the wrong route, I'll give McCown a pass- but that ball was under thrown by 10 yards.
That's the point- we had numerous opportunities to win that game- but we blew it. As they say, good teams find a way to win, bad teams find a way to lose. When we went in full reverse after Mingo's interception- that old feeling of impending doom crept over me.
thats alot of moola....5k...i could not afford that even if they had a good team, which they don't. I know it is not all rich folks spending that kind of cash. If your middle class, you need to rethink your spending habits. And looking at the long term for this team, at this point, it does not look good...Who is our qb, will we ever have a really good rb, will the defense ever have a consistant pass rush. This is what, yr 16 and we still suck. I'd be seriously thinking about putting that 5k per yr toward the ever increasing health care costs. I think that is just a little more important than football...
thats alot of moola....5k...i could not afford that even if they had a good team, which they don't. I know it is not all rich folks spending that kind of cash. If your middle class, you need to rethink your spending habits. And looking at the long term for this team, at this point, it does not look good...Who is our qb, will we ever have a really good rb, will the defense ever have a consistant pass rush. This is what, yr 16 and we still suck. I'd be seriously thinking about putting that 5k per yr toward the ever increasing health care costs. I think that is just a little more important than football...
That $5K is for the Club Seats. $1k is the Dawg Pound. That's 2 tickets in case you're interested. Even with Haslam raising the prices 25% this year- they're still cheap by NFL standards. In NY or NE- I'd be paying at least $100 more per ticket.
First, I am a season ticket holder. I enjoy going. There are rare weeks when I decide to chill and watch it on my 65" so I send family. In Mik's defense people support and cheer on their team in different ways. Mik for example made some damn fine Brownsboard tshirts. Everyone can't go to the stadium, that doesn't make them a lesser fan per se in my book.
^+1- I agree. just because you can't afford or don't want to go through the hassle of attending a game, doesn't make you any less of a fan.
Stadium revenue is almost incidental income to owners- the real cash cow is TV revenue. Directv is shelling out $1.5 BILLION per year just for Sunday Ticket- and God only knows what CBS, FOX, and NBC are paying- it has to be a lot more.
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Huh??
Hes completing 70% and has 15 td's against 2 Ints. And has the 3rd highest rating in the league.
So if playin GREAT means he sucks. Then I agree. Otherwise, thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard.
Well, you think that because you don't understand. Try looking into it. You and cleve don't have to
knee jerk about it.
I have been talking about McCown not having star receivers. And Aaron Rodgers got another wr hurt.
So what happens? He's having trouble. I happen to have said what I said for a reason.
http://sportsnaut.com/2015/10/aaron-rodgers-losing-sleep-over-struggling-packers-offense/
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-ty-montgomery-ankle-injury-101815
"On Sunday against the Rams, Green Bay’s offense did sputter, as indicated on the team’s website. Here are some numbers that clearly illustrate this:....
Like I posted before, the Browns are 5th in the NFL in the 3rd down conversion rankings.
The Packers were only 4 of 13. Rodgers threw two INT's, and had a fumble.
You would bitch if McCown did that. Sure, Rodgers is an outstanding qb ...
but if even an outstanding qb can suffer with the loss of his wr's... why the hell not
give McCown some freakin credit for doing as well as he is doing when he hasn't had them
in the first place?
- Eighty-six yards rushing.
- Four of 13 on third down.
- Three giveaways, which included two Rodgers interceptions and a Rodgers fumble."
calfoxwc, on 19 Oct 2015 - 5:59 PM, said:
Sure, Rodgers is an outstanding qb ... but if even an outstanding qb can suffer with the loss of his wr's... why the hell not give McCown some freakin credit for doing as well as he is doing when he hasn't had them in the first place?
Yet is there any real doubt what Rogers would do with our WR set? Hoorta
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Well, crap, not even I can argue with that.... it's just tough that between Gordon and Bowe, the Browns
don't have "that" guy who can get on...WANTS to be on the field, and wanting to win.
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Regarding the 2 point decision on Sunday...
2. Digging deeper on Sunday’s two-point conversion attemptBrowns coach Mike Pettine laid out the reasons Sunday behind going for two with a 20-16 lead after Dansby’s interception return for a touchdown. He went a little deeper behind the logistics and play call Monday.
Pettine’s initial reaction was to kick the extra point, he said Monday. While the officials reviewed Dansby’s touchdown, Pettine and the staff talked through it and opted to go for two. The logistics are a little different after a pick-six because the offense isn’t on the field, but the Browns had the players they wanted on the field for their first attempt.
Josh McCown
’s first pass attempt to Travis Benjamin fell incomplete. An offsides penalty gave Cleveland new life and moved the ball to the 1-yard line. The second attempt had the same result, prompting questions as to why the Browns didn’t attempt a run.
Pettine explained why Monday.
“They are a Cover Zero team on two-point plays,” Pettine said. “It is difficult to gain a yard when you have a guy running through every gap and a free hitter sitting behind him to scrape to the ball. That is why we decided to go with the play we went with. They defended it well to their credit.” -
I never said that either, I'm just tired of hearing the same bullshit after seeing the same mistakes.
Look, I like Pettine, I really like him in fact. He's not afraid to be aggressive when it comes to game day decisions. That said, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, maybe he should take a more conventional approach in some situations. Like not running a pitch sweep on the opponents 39 yard line in OT.
I'm willing to live through the growing pains when there is evidence of change. Right now Pettine is starting to look like he is one of these guys who refuses to make changes to something that's not working, mainly the defense.
Right now Pettine is starting to look like he is one of these guys who refuses to make changes to something that's not working, mainly the defense.
i'm thinking more in the lines of he gives decisions on D to o'neill and decisions on O to flip. HC is supposed to be the game manager not the D coordinator or the O coordinator.
but if one or both aren't up to the task in certain situations he should have the override decision button available at all times.
i think in year 2 everyone is still learning. everyone.
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calfoxwc, on 19 Oct 2015 - 5:59 PM, said:
Sure, Rodgers is an outstanding qb ... but if even an outstanding qb can suffer with the loss of his wr's... why the hell not give McCown some freakin credit for doing as well as he is doing when he hasn't had them in the first place?
Yet is there any real doubt what Rogers would do with our WR set? Hoorta
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Well, crap, not even I can argue with that.... it's just tough that between Gordon and Bowe, the Browns
don't have "that" guy who can get on...WANTS to be on the field, and wanting to win.
calfoxwc, on 19 Oct 2015 - 5:59 PM, said:
Yet is there any real doubt what Rogers would do with our WR set? Hoorta Tour
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Well, crap, not even I can argue with that.... it's just tough that between Gordon and Bowe, the Browns
don't have "that" guy who can get on...WANTS to be on the field, and wanting to win.
How about now with the quote's source fixed...
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Regarding the 2 point decision on Sunday...
2. Digging deeper on Sunday’s two-point conversion attemptBrowns coach Mike Pettine laid out the reasons Sunday behind going for two with a 20-16 lead after Dansby’s interception return for a touchdown. He went a little deeper behind the logistics and play call Monday.
Pettine’s initial reaction was to kick the extra point, he said Monday. While the officials reviewed Dansby’s touchdown, Pettine and the staff talked through it and opted to go for two. The logistics are a little different after a pick-six because the offense isn’t on the field, but the Browns had the players they wanted on the field for their first attempt.
Josh McCown’s first pass attempt to Travis Benjamin fell incomplete. An offsides penalty gave Cleveland new life and moved the ball to the 1-yard line. The second attempt had the same result, prompting questions as to why the Browns didn’t attempt a run.
Pettine explained why Monday.
“They are a Cover Zero team on two-point plays,” Pettine said. “It is difficult to gain a yard when you have a guy running through every gap and a free hitter sitting behind him to scrape to the ball. That is why we decided to go with the play we went with. They defended it well to their credit.”Regarding the 2 point decision on Sunday...
Even I think that's overthinking it... and I overthink everything... I think...
You go for two when:
- you trail late by 2, 5, or 9,
- if you are ahead late to make the point differential 3 or 7.
That's about it...
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