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2015 O-line Grades: Week 6 Broncos

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  • Good ball talk Tour.. Good to see Mack coming on. Saw 1 bad play that lead to a sack but that was it. Like his matchup with Brocker this week but got to help on Donald & Quinn. You answered my ??'s on M. Johnson & if Bibbs wants to see the field a think he sees it too & hope to see some boys getting Blown Up by a Bibb. Really thought we blew our opportunity to run Left but we at least tried. Wade was out. His Sub got hurt. Shane Ray got hurt. All stayed Out & missed a Golden Egg running that way. Instead I thought we laid a egg. Damn it...

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  • Something that's maybe gone unnoticed - the schwartz is apparently the ##1 ranked RT per PFF.

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/10/mitchell_schwartz_earns_rave_r.html

    Pro Football Focus, which rates players based on their performance in games and over the course of the season, has Schwartz as the highest-graded right tackle in the NFL this season and the sixth-highest graded tackle overall in the league.
  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I'd be interested to see:

    - how often our backs bounce to the outside when the play is designed to go up the middle

    - how much yardage is gained on inside/outside/bounced runs (and also probably screens to RBs).

    I see we're running up the middle a lot, but wondering where our yardage comes from. If we're averaging 4+ YPC up the middle, that's pretty good and a run game we can lean on, but if we're getting stuck less than 2 YPC up the middle, while gaining 5-6 YPC outside, it's not something we can use to see out games, we can't just hand the ball off to a closer (like Lynch) and run the clock - as we saw at the end of regulation, with 1st and 10 from the 11, we gained 4 yards on three plays. A good OL and closing back will get us in the end zone there.

    Mud mentioned the top RT thing last week. JT was top LT and #1 overall OT. I would assume he still is.

    And the bidding for Mitch starts at ??? $6mm/yr???

    @gftchris said:

    I'd be interested to see:

    - how often our backs bounce to the outside when the play is designed to go up the middle

    - how much yardage is gained on inside/outside/bounced runs (and also probably screens to RBs).

    Thats' doable... I normally note bounces and always note gains. Will be sure to note bounces starting next week, but will also look back at first six weeks. Certainly can calc YPC in each of the directions I count.

    I can't recall a single bounce this past week.

    @gumby73 said:

    Good ball talk Tour.. Good to see Mack coming on. Saw 1 bad play that lead to a sack but that was it. Like his matchup with Brocker this week but got to help on Donald & Quinn. You answered my ??'s on M. Johnson & if Bibbs wants to see the field a think he sees it too & hope to see some boys getting Blown Up by a Bibb. Really thought we blew our opportunity to run Left but we at least tried. Wade was out. His Sub got hurt. Shane Ray got hurt. All stayed Out & missed a Golden Egg running that way. Instead I thought we laid a egg. Damn it...

    Saw more sustained double teams that appeared to be by design in the middle this past week than I can recall. Much more used to seeing the play-side OL slip off to the 2nd level once the off OL gains leverage. The good news was the sustained doubles controlled the NT. The bad news was more often than not Denver's LBs filled very well.

    I'd like to see Bibbs (or Dray) filling the trap role that's fallen to Barn. Barn pulled off one pull, but simply isn't reliable in that role.

    Barrett, Denver's other OLB, played very well... outplayed Ray for sure and even Miller to my eye.

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  • "LBs don't like to see JT coming". . . 😁 (I smell pancakes)

    Tour, who's the best pulling guard Greco or Bito?

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  • Bito for sure... faster and more athletic. And to use that ability some of his pulls are up, into the hole rather than across to open the hole.

    But John can get it done. He nailed both his pulls this week.

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  • If Bitonio isn't a -50 this week the rating system is hogwash

  • Let me guess... you saw him make three bad plays this week?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Let me guess... you saw him make three bad plays this week?

    @tour2ma said:

    Let me guess... you saw him make three bad plays this week?

    He has had 8 penalties in 7 game which puts him in the conversation for most penalized OL in the NFL. He got steamrolled on one play. Tour not saying your work is inaccurate just that an offensive line is more than individual grades. Often times if one guy breaks down the whole thing goes bad. And that based on watching the games the OL has struggled this year but according to PFF you'd think they were the 94 Cowboys. I don't see our OL imposing their will on anyone and that may be due to the zone blocking theme but to say this unit is the sum of its parts, namely three All-Pro players, seems to be a stretch.

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  • Tour better roast these guys this week. They're an embarrassement. Some of this is on McCown, the fucker holds the ball foreve which as a Browns QB...I mean the history is just there for everyone to see....you don't hold the ball in Cleveland. You don't do it. But some of these kill shots that happen about 1.5 seconds after the ball is snapped ain't on him. Our o line has problems. And that's before we talk about the penalties today. These cunts I swear to god, what's gonna happen in Seattle if they couldn't handle the relatively muted Rams crowd? We'll set NFL records

  • Our O lines sucks ass.

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    @tour2ma said:

    Let me guess... you saw him make three bad plays this week?

    He has had 8 penalties in 7 game which puts him in the conversation for most penalized OL in the NFL. He got steamrolled on one play. Tour not saying your work is inaccurate just that an offensive line is more than individual grades. Often times if one guy breaks down the whole thing goes bad. And that based on watching the games the OL has struggled this year but according to PFF you'd think they were the 94 Cowboys. I don't see our OL imposing their will on anyone and that may be due to the zone blocking theme but to say this unit is the sum of its parts, namely three All-Pro players, seems to be a stretch.

    @baconhound said:

    Tour not saying your work is inaccurate just that an offensive line is more than individual grades. Often times if one guy breaks down the whole thing goes bad.

    I don't see our OL imposing their will on anyone and that may be due to the zone blocking theme but to say this unit is the sum of its parts, namely three All-Pro players, seems to be a stretch.

    Actually you were blaming one guy... If you've read any thing I've written outside of the individual grades, you know I've been saying this "unit" has been far less the sum of its parts.

    @clevfan4life said:

    Tour better roast these guys this week. They're an embarrassement. Some of this is on McCown, the fucker holds the ball foreve which as a Browns QB... But some of these kill shots that happen about 1.5 seconds after the ball is snapped ain't on him.

    I'll grade them play-by-play, position-by-position like I have been. We'll see what comes out.

    Will include some RG data on Cam.

    If I still have a stop watch around here, I may put it to use this week as well.

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