You can't defend this circus anymore.
-
We are back to a complete downward spiral that could see more of the same shit that usually happens. That being the season is over after the first few weeks. what the fuck happened.
What the fuck happened:
- constant shuffling of defensive players, no continuity
- somehow our "blue chip" offensive line filled with #1 & #2 picks cannot run block
- ridiculous amount of penalties
- inability to win at home
- poor drafting
- can't stop anybody last 2 minutes of the half or 4th quarter
I'm sure there's more....it's almost impossible to be this bad for so long, and I was truly optimistic about this season.
What the fuck happened:
- constant shuffling of defensive players, no continuity
- somehow our "blue chip" offensive line filled with #1 & #2 picks cannot run block
- ridiculous amount of penalties
- inability to win at home
- poor drafting
- can't stop anybody last 2 minutes of the half or 4th quarter
I'm sure there's more....it's almost impossible to be this bad for so long, and I was truly optimistic about this season.
i understand, but when we were 7-4 last yr , we were running the ball, playing decent d, etc. etc. I think maybe the hoyer vs manziel thing may have contributed to the bad turnaround. We lost mack and the running game went down the tubes. Now mack looks like the worse olineman out of all of them, and thats bad because the others suck big time. I guess thomas is playing ok. I look at the poor drafting you said and 1 you missed. Poor fa pickups...hartline and bowe. wtf. Guess it points to our gm and probably the owner.
-
What the fuck happened:
- constant shuffling of defensive players, no continuity
- somehow our "blue chip" offensive line filled with #1 & #2 picks cannot run block
- ridiculous amount of penalties
- inability to win at home
- poor drafting
- can't stop anybody last 2 minutes of the half or 4th quarter
I'm sure there's more....it's almost impossible to be this bad for so long, and I was truly optimistic about this season.
i understand, but when we were 7-4 last yr , we were running the ball, playing decent d, etc. etc. I think maybe the hoyer vs manziel thing may have contributed to the bad turnaround. We lost mack and the running game went down the tubes. Now mack looks like the worse olineman out of all of them, and thats bad because the others suck big time. I guess thomas is playing ok. I look at the poor drafting you said and 1 you missed. Poor fa pickups...hartline and bowe. wtf. Guess it points to our gm and probably the owner.
i understand, but when we were 7-4 last yr , we were running the ball, playing decent d, etc. etc. I think maybe the hoyer vs manziel thing may have contributed to the bad turnaround. We lost mack and the running game went down the tubes. Now mack looks like the worse olineman out of all of them (1), and thats bad because the others suck big time (2). I guess thomas is playing ok. I look at the poor drafting you said and 1 you missed. Poor fa pickups...hartline and bowe. wtf. Guess it points to our gm and probably the owner.
On (1) that's correct.
But (2) is incorrect, Schwartz is probably having his best year ever while BItonio has improved over his solid rookie year - Greco is pretty solid too.The rams D-line is one of the best in the business and we did OK I think. The 4 fumbles and excessive penalties are the biggest reasons we couldn't move on offense.
-
Faded said:
Yeah, and I doubt if your job is in any part about maintaining a level of emotional excitement that allows you to throw your body around with abandon against the most dangerous athletes in the world against all rational impulses.
Still think that is a bit overrated. Not that passion doesn't play a roll but the guys who fly around like their hair is on fire make mistakes. You'll hear the good ones talking about the game slowing down and watching things in slow motion. Still think it all comes down to doing your job albeit with some attitude.
Still think that is a bit overrated. Not that passion doesn't play a roll but the guys who fly around like their hair is on fire make mistakes. You'll hear the good ones talking about the game slowing down and watching things in slow motion. Still think it all comes down to doing your job albeit with some attitude.
i'll give you and example where you may be wrong. Look at the falcons. This is the same team basically as last yr. Last yr under smith and previous yrs under smith, they did not play with passion. guys just standing around on the field...Look at what quinn has done to this team. I watch them now and the defense now swarms to the ball. Players are flying around everywhere....You know what i'm talking about. Are they going to the sb this yr? Probably not, however quinn will get the remaining pieces to make this team a sb bound team. i have no doubt. I look at quinn on the sidelines jumping up and down, and then i look at pettine rubbing his chin and looking totally hapless. There is a diffence there.
-
Tressel is the president of Youngstown State, I believe. Both Pelini's coach there which is crazy.
What do you mean, you can't trust Saban? He's not going to come for two years and bolt for some other college job. He's 62. IF he took a job which there's about a 1% chance of happening, it would certainly be his last stop. That said, he is in phenomenal mental and physical shape for 62 so I doubt he has anything less than 4-5 years left in him, and even that is just the floor.
What do you mean, you can't trust Saban?
I mean you can't trust him.
He bailed on LSU when it started to get hard there. He bailed on the Dolphins because it was hard there. If he left BAMA now, just as the luster begins fading, then the pattern of not facing adversity would be perpetuated.
Does not sound like the perfect Browns HC candidate to me...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
How did it get hard at LSU? He did the equivalent of win a Super Bowl then follow it up by going 12-4.
Miami was likely going to fire him, he just got out ahead. That's what smart people do. He's also got the best agent in the business (save maybe Dwayne Bowe's) in Jimmy Sexton.
He's got a top 5 squad and 5 straight #1 recruiting classes. That's the most blinding fading luster I've ever seen.
Oh, and if he wins us a Super Bowl, goes 0-16 the following year, then retires, he'll still have been the perfect candidate.
-
i understand, but when we were 7-4 last yr , we were running the ball, playing decent d, etc. etc. I think maybe the hoyer vs manziel thing may have contributed to the bad turnaround. We lost mack and the running game went down the tubes. Now mack looks like the worse olineman out of all of them (1), and thats bad because the others suck big time (2). I guess thomas is playing ok. I look at the poor drafting you said and 1 you missed. Poor fa pickups...hartline and bowe. wtf. Guess it points to our gm and probably the owner.
On (1) that's correct.
But (2) is incorrect, Schwartz is probably having his best year ever while BItonio has improved over his solid rookie year - Greco is pretty solid too.The rams D-line is one of the best in the business and we did OK I think. The 4 fumbles and excessive penalties are the biggest reasons we couldn't move on offense.
On (1) that's correct.
But (2) is incorrect, Schwartz is probably having his best year ever while BItonio has improved over his solid rookie year - Greco is pretty solid too.The rams D-line is one of the best in the business and we did OK I think. The 4 fumbles and excessive penalties are the biggest reasons we couldn't move on offense.
i guess so but we can't keep having the mindset that we did ok against good defensive lines. We need to change that culture to our ol is better than the opposing dl regardless how good they are or we will still be in the same situation. If these guys are playing ok, why can't we run the damn ball...Is it the rb's.I know they are not great but still very good olines will open some holes for backs to get thru. i am still in the camp that our ol is not very good wether its individuals or playing as a unit.
-
i understand, but when we were 7-4 last yr , we were running the ball, playing decent d, etc. etc. I think maybe the hoyer vs manziel thing may have contributed to the bad turnaround. We lost mack and the running game went down the tubes. Now mack looks like the worse olineman out of all of them (1), and thats bad because the others suck big time (2). I guess thomas is playing ok. I look at the poor drafting you said and 1 you missed. Poor fa pickups...hartline and bowe. wtf. Guess it points to our gm and probably the owner.
On (1) that's correct.
But (2) is incorrect, Schwartz is probably having his best year ever while BItonio has improved over his solid rookie year - Greco is pretty solid too.The rams D-line is one of the best in the business and we did OK I think. The 4 fumbles and excessive penalties are the biggest reasons we couldn't move on offense.
On (1) that's correct.
But (2) is incorrect, Schwartz is probably having his best year ever while BItonio has improved over his solid rookie year - Greco is pretty solid too.The rams D-line is one of the best in the business and we did OK I think. The 4 fumbles and excessive penalties are the biggest reasons we couldn't move on offense.
The excessive penalties goes against the oline though. I guess that's the mental part which counts as much as the physical part. I think though that is a coaching issue more than anything...oh well...It's tough trying to pinpoint what issue is causing the crash..there are so many of them...
-
How did it get hard at LSU? He did the equivalent of win a Super Bowl then follow it up by going 12-4.
Miami was likely going to fire him, he just got out ahead. That's what smart people do. He's also got the best agent in the business (save maybe Dwayne Bowe's) in Jimmy Sexton.
He's got a top 5 squad and 5 straight #1 recruiting classes. That's the most blinding fading luster I've ever seen.
Oh, and if he wins us a Super Bowl, goes 0-16 the following year, then retires, he'll still have been the perfect candidate.
How did it get hard at LSU? He did the equivalent of win a Super Bowl then follow it up by going 12-4.
Miami was likely going to fire him, he just got out ahead. That's what smart people do. He's also got the best agent in the business (save maybe Dwayne Bowe's) in Jimmy Sexton.
He's got a top 5 squad and 5 straight #1 recruiting classes. That's the most blinding fading luster I've ever seen.
Oh, and if he wins us a Super Bowl, goes 0-16 the following year, then retires, he'll still have been the perfect candidate.
Compared to undefeated or once defeated national championships, two-loss seasons are hard. Barring a miracle, 2015 will be the first year Bama has not been ranked #1 at some point in the season. After 7 years of achieving that ranking, that's an early sign of fading.
By contrast his final 9-3 season at LSU ending in a bowl loss had to be torture.
Ask any LSU fan if he bailed on them...
Ask any Fins fan if he bailed on them... and follow up with how much they relish the SB he brought them.
As for his age... you yourself said he's a young 62. Plenty of time for a couple more job hops. Look at what Spurrier has done in his 60's...
-
There are lots of folks saying we need more fire and more of pretty much everything else from a new coach, but who can fill that need? Someone from college? Coordinators who weren't head coaches at any level are a gamble I really don't want to take anymore. Same with the old ex coaches who have already shot their wad. There's a head coach somewhere in college who want to come to the NFL, so go out and find the guy and give him whatever $$$ and whatever responsibilities he wants.
-
On (1) that's correct.
But (2) is incorrect, Schwartz is probably having his best year ever while BItonio has improved over his solid rookie year - Greco is pretty solid too.The rams D-line is one of the best in the business and we did OK I think. The 4 fumbles and excessive penalties are the biggest reasons we couldn't move on offense.
The excessive penalties goes against the oline though. I guess that's the mental part which counts as much as the physical part. I think though that is a coaching issue more than anything...oh well...It's tough trying to pinpoint what issue is causing the crash..there are so many of them...
The excessive penalties goes against the oline though. I guess that's the mental part which counts as much as the physical part. I think though that is a coaching issue more than anything...oh well...It's tough trying to pinpoint what issue is causing the crash..there are so many of them...
Some of the holding calls were unjustified - we definitely had more false starts than any other game this year though.
-
Pettine isn't getting fired. Saban isn't coming to Cleveland. We're still going to win 8 games. O'Neil will be fired. Manziel will be our QB. We will take a DE/LB in the first round of next year's draft.
Calm the fuck down, it was our worst game of the year but it's not the end of the world. Manziel will start next week if McCown can't, he'll probably throw for about 275 yards and two touchdowns, may throw an interception but will more likely fumble at least once, and we'll put together another relatively strong offensive performance but ultimately lose because of our defense.
Then we'll fire O'Neil.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Pettine isn't getting fired. Saban isn't coming to Cleveland. We're still going to win 8 games. O'Neil will be fired. Manziel will be our QB. We will take a DE/LB in the first round of next year's draft.
Calm the fuck down, it was our worst game of the year but it's not the end of the world. Manziel will start next week if McCown can't, he'll probably throw for about 275 yards and two touchdowns, may throw an interception but will more likely fumble at least once, and we'll put together another relatively strong offensive performance but ultimately lose because of our defense.
Then we'll fire O'Neil.
Pettine isn't getting fired. Saban isn't coming to Cleveland. We're still going to win 8 games. O'Neil will be fired. Manziel will be our QB. We will take a DE/LB in the first round of next year's draft.
Calm the fuck down, it was our worst game of the year but it's not the end of the world. Manziel will start next week if McCown can't, he'll probably throw for about 275 yards and two touchdowns, may throw an interception but will more likely fumble at least once, and we'll put together another relatively strong offensive performance but ultimately lose because of our defense.
Then we'll fire O'Neil.
we are going to win 8 games....hmmmmmmm...good luck with that....lets see, arizona, seattle on the road...cinci 2x and pittsburgh 2x probably with ben back.The only way i see us winning maybe 5 games is if some of the teams we play toward the end of the season have either clinched and cannot improve on their playoff position. Then they will put their scrubs in and if we are lucky, maybe we eeeeek out a win or 2....
-
The excessive penalties goes against the oline though. I guess that's the mental part which counts as much as the physical part. I think though that is a coaching issue more than anything...oh well...It's tough trying to pinpoint what issue is causing the crash..there are so many of them...
Some of the holding calls were unjustified - we definitely had more false starts than any other game this year though.
Some of the holding calls were unjustified - we definitely had more false starts than any other game this year though.
yeah, but some were justified...like the one on thomas when mccown completed that pass to benjamin or hawkins, can't remember..that was definetly a hold. he practically tackled the dude.
-
Pettine isn't getting fired. Saban isn't coming to Cleveland. We're still going to win 8 games. O'Neil will be fired. Manziel will be our QB. We will take a DE/LB in the first round of next year's draft.
Calm the fuck down, it was our worst game of the year but it's not the end of the world. Manziel will start next week if McCown can't, he'll probably throw for about 275 yards and two touchdowns, may throw an interception but will more likely fumble at least once, and we'll put together another relatively strong offensive performance but ultimately lose because of our defense.
Then we'll fire O'Neil.
we are going to win 8 games....hmmmmmmm...good luck with that....lets see, arizona, seattle on the road...cinci 2x and pittsburgh 2x probably with ben back.The only way i see us winning maybe 5 games is if some of the teams we play toward the end of the season have either clinched and cannot improve on their playoff position. Then they will put their scrubs in and if we are lucky, maybe we eeeeek out a win or 2....
we are going to win 8 games....hmmmmmmm...good luck with that....lets see, arizona, seattle on the road...cinci 2x and pittsburgh 2x probably with ben back.The only way i see us winning maybe 5 games is if some of the teams we play toward the end of the season have either clinched and cannot improve on their playoff position. Then they will put their scrubs in and if we are lucky, maybe we eeeeek out a win or 2....
11/1 - Arizona - W
ARI is going to trounce Baltimore tonight, then overlook us going into their bye. We'll surprise with Manziel at the helm.
11/5 - Cincy - W
Beat Cincy a year ago on TNF with probably a worse team. Nothing changes here. Manziel is riding high after a great performance against Arizona.
11/15 - Steelers - W
We get 10 days off, Pittsburgh doesn't. Easy win.
11/30 - Ravens - W
It's Baltimore.
12/6 - Cincinnati - L
They crush the shit out of us.
12/13 - 49ers - W
SF is a bad team. Colin Kaepernick will throw three interceptions.
12/20 - Seattle - L
Cleveland's Christmas present to us. A loss.
12/27 - Kansas City - W
Fuck Andy Reid, that's why.
1/3 - Pittsburgh - L
Because we can't beat them twice.
We play Arizona the week before their bye. They're going to walk all over Baltimore tonight and then overlook us going into their bye.
Baltimore is very bad this year.
We will beat Pittsburgh going into our bye wee.
-
TCPO is high. We can't beat Oakland or San Diego but rattle off 4 straight against Arizona, Cincy, Pittsburgh and Baltimore....
-
-
TCPO is high. We can't beat Oakland or San Diego but rattle off 4 straight against Arizona, Cincy, Pittsburgh and Baltimore....
TCPO is high. We can't beat Oakland or San Diego but rattle off 4 straight against Arizona, Cincy, Pittsburgh and Baltimore....
Well isn't your boy Manziel likely going to get the start with McCown's shoulder injured?
So wait...you're telling me that Manziel can't win with this team? I could have sworn you were just saying the opposite only a few days ago.
Oh man, what a conundrum.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login