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1) Go ahead and take a neurosurgeons understanding of the human brain over a physicists. Of course, we aren't talking about the brain, we're talking about physics. In which case, listen to the physicists.
2) Are you really so deep into supporting Carson that you're taking his side on the 2nd Law of Thermo thing? You really think he is just now bringing to light this game changing, rule breaking evidence that no one else has ever thought of? Really?
3) You realize Earth is not a closed system right? The 2nd law of thermo is discussing closed systems. (If you google this topic and look at any reputable source/scientist talking about it, they'll say the same thing). Evolution, life on Earth, etc does not violate the 2nd law because the Earth isn't a closed system.
Don't use a scientific law to try to prove your point if you fundamentally misunderstand how that law works.
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so, how do you "know" that the universe is NOT a closed system.
God only knows, yes?
I admit, I had to read up on that law. But his point still stands. I posted from the article.
If the entropy increases, or stays the same, but doesn't decrease... and entropy is a measurement of
disorder, then the disorder increases or stays the same.
Now, don't do the woodpecker dance around this question:
How the heck can you figure that the miracle of life, especially the design of the human brain,
which after all these centuries, we still don't fully understand it...
how the heck can a big bangsies create that? Biological life, especially the human brain, in it's fascinating
complexity... is hardly a random aspect of spontaneous disorder.
Answer it.
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You do understand what your asking really has nothing to do any more with the 2nd law, right? You're using the "God of the Gaps" argument. If I can't completely describe to you how we went from the big bang to a human brain, you are going to claim any gap in info as proof of god. You see how flawed that is right? (no, wait, of course you don't)
The fact that you don't understand something doesn't mean A) No one does
No one ever will or C) god must exist...If god made humans in a few puffs of magic, why do we have vestigial organs and structures? Why do we breathe, communicate, eat and drink with the same hole, leading to thousands of choking deaths per year? Seems like a shitty design.
If you had to read up on the 2nd law to understand what it is, then you probably shouldn't be making statements about whether or not it is being used correctly. Especially statements attempting to support someone using it incorrectly, for the sole reason being that he has the same political beliefs as you. Carson is not using the 2nd law correctly. It doesn't go against the big bang. It doesn't go against evolution. Stop trying to say it does without understanding what you're talking about. His point does not stand, unless you are going to twist his point so that it still looks reasonable...
If your favorite conservative walked off a scientific bridge, would you? Your answer looks like yes.
If you want to make yourself look foolish and take the anti-evolution side here, be my guest. Just don't misuse scientific theories to try and prove a point. Carson's side and the side you're trying to defend boil down to nothing more than "This book says god did it, everything else must be wrong. So there". That isn't evidence. That isn't science. That's nothing.
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NO. What nothing is, is a woodypeckerhead blabbing and blabbing and making claims
with no reason included.
the idea, birdbrain, is to believe that the miracle of life, especially the human brain, could
be a product of spontaneous random disorder.
You run your fat beak whenever you want, and it's usually when you don't have any damn idea
about a subject.
I'll ask it again, and maybe someone who isn't an asswipe birdbrain woodypeckerehead will try to answer.
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics has to do with entropy. And entropy is defined as a measurement of disorder.
And, given that the claim is that the entropy increases, or stays the same...
how is it that the human brain became about ? Entropy would have had to decrease to nearly zero.
But it doesn't decrease.
So? Of course the existence of the dramtically complex and fascinating brain defies that law.
If not, why not, and how do you explain both?
Second Law of Thermodynamics: In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same.
There have been nearly as many formulations of the second law as there have been discussions of it.
— Philosopher / Physicist P.W. Bridgman, (1941)What you characters are missing is this:A number of scientists believe the 2nd Law, when truly understood, is enough to refute the theory of Evolution. In fact, it is one of the most important reasons why various Evolutionists have dropped their theory in favor of Creationism.
open systems/closed systems: open thermodynamic systems exchange heat, light, or matter with their surroundings, closed systems do not. No outside energy flows into a closed system. Earth is an open system; it receives outside energy from the Sun.
To create any kind of upward, complex organization in a closed system requires outside energy and outside information. Evolutionists maintain that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics does not prevent Evolution on Earth, since this planet receives outside energy from the Sun. Thus, they suggest that the Sun's energy helped create the life of our beautiful planet. However, is the simple addition of energy all that is needed to accomplish this great feat?12
Compare a living plant with a dead one. Can the simple addition of energy make a completely dead plant live?
A dead plant contains the same basic structures as a living plant. It once used the Sun's energy to temporarily increase its order and grow and produce stems, leaves, roots, and flowers - all beginning from a single seed.
If there is actually a powerful Evolutionary force at work in the universe, and if the open system of Earth makes all the difference, why does the Sun's energy not make a truly dead plant become alive again (assuming a sufficient supply of water, light, and the like)?
What actually happens when a dead plant receives energy from the Sun? The internal organization in the plant decreases; it tends to decay and break apart into its simplest components. The heat of the Sun only speeds the disorganization process.
The distinguished scientist and origins expert, Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith, puts it this way:
"What is the difference then between a stick, which is dead, and an orchid which is alive? The difference is that the orchid has teleonomy in it. It is a machine which is capturing energy to increase order. Where you have life, you have teleonomy, and then the Sun's energy can be taken and make the thing grow - increasing its order" [temporarily].teleonomy: Information stored within a living thing. Teleonomy involves the concept of something having a design and purpose. Non-teleonomy is “directionlessness,” having no project. The teleonomy of a living thing is somehow stored within its genes. Teleonomy can use energy and matter to produce order and complexity.14
Where did the teleonomy of living things originate? It is important to note that the teleonomy (the ordering principle, the know-how) does not reside in matter itself. Matter, itself, is not creative. Dr. Wilder-Smith:
"The pure chemistry of a cell is not enough to explain the working of a cell, although the workings are chemical. The chemical workings of a cell are controlled by information which does not reside in the atoms and molecules."Creationists believe cells build themselves from carefully designed and coded information which has been passed from one life to the next since their original inception.
[see below for further evidence that the 2nd Law is a major problem for Evolution]
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again, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the 2nd law is. It deals with closed/isolated systems. The human brain is not this.
I get that you're trying to emulate you idol Carson, but it is a really bad look to reference scientific principles you don't understand. I mean, anyone taking the anti-evolution side already looks like an idiot, don't make it worse on yourself.
Everything I said in my original post still stands. The "God of the Gaps" argument is a terrible one. Evolution can explain the human brain, even if you may not be able to without gawd.
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Ernst Mayr, Ph.D., Evolutionist:
"Living organisms, however, differ from inanimate matter by the degree of complexity of their systems and by the possession of a genetic program… The genetic instructions packaged in an embryo direct the formation of an adult, whether it be a tree, a fish, or a human. The process is goal-directed, but from the instructions in the genetic program, not from the outside. Nothing like it exists in the inanimate world."
[Ernst Mayr in Roger Lewin, “Biology Is Not Postage Stamp Collecting,” Science, Vol. 216, No. 4547 (May 14, 1982), pp. 718-720 (quote from p. 719, emphasis added).]
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Or, you antagonistic nimrods + one woodypeckerhead can take a mathematician's word for it.
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If a creature could take, say, a kilogram of non-living, highly disordered material and turn it into a kilogram of highly ordered creature, then that would certainly be a big violation of the second law of thermodynamics.
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did you even READ your own link? It says what I have been shouting at you for multiple posts now. Jesus fucking christ Cal. It literally explains why you're wrong in the same article...
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and, one brilliant guy has a new theory about the 2nd Law of thermodynamics -
one that the existence of life does NOT
contradict.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/20140122-a-new-physics-theory-of-life/
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Do you read the articles you post? Any post you have made on this subject from actual, reputable, scientific sources (not ChristianAnswers) has disagreed with the argument you're trying to make. They saying what I've been posting for a while now, and the going into more detail to show why you're wrong.
This is actually a great case study on how your brain works. You want the 2nd law to go against life, so you search it in google. Then, you immediately pick the first links. Anything that looks like it has a promising line in, you post (good source or not... usually not). You don't ever read the article though, just the snippet google showed you. If you did, you would not have posted the article about the physicist or by the mathematician.
Keep trying though. This is funny.
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come on now... don't ruin Futurama
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well, woodypeckerhead, I read them, and even posted excerpts from those.
You still haven't answered the question, stupidass.
You want to be gay, and stupid, fine. But I clearly made my point.
Your claim is dubious, since you don't explain anything, you just brag about some kind
of justification for being a wild asswipe woodpecker.
Explain in detail about your stupid claims, or TRY to answer my QUESTION...
or just STFU.
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more evolution vs God....
and woody doubles down on the majic of science proving human organ development
by evolution over the Creator.
also disputes the hole in which humans eat, drink, talk and puke as being a "shitty" design
in other news congress wants to impeach IRS chief Koskinen! huh! well good luck with that
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/breaking-house-gop-votes-to-begin-impeachment/
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Many Christians accept ideas of evolution (which has a wild amount of evidence supporting it).
I think a minority are on the extreme young earth evolution is the devil bandwagon, but maybe that numbers bigger than I originally thought.
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If you read them, then the only reasonable conclusion is that you didn't understand them.
I have explained why you're wrong. Your own links explained why you're wrong. Life doesn't violate the 2nd law. The human brain doesn't violate the 2nd law. Why? Because the 2nd law of thermodynamics deals with closed systems. Life and the human brain are not this.
Or do you want me to explain to you how the human brain developed and evolved? Even if I did know about that subject we have increasing evidence to say you wouldn't get it.
Google it. Find reputable sources. Find out what we know. And D your best not to jump to the god of the gaps argument...
Are you following along now or are you just going to continue to insult me while you hope people forget about your last couple of posts?
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Many Christians accept ideas of evolution (which has a wild amount of evidence supporting it).
I think a minority are on the extreme young earth evolution is the devil bandwagon, but maybe that numbers bigger than I originally thought.
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more evolution vs God....
and woody doubles down on the majic of science proving human organ development
by evolution over the Creator.
also disputes the hole in which humans eat, drink, talk and puke as being a "shitty" design
in other news congress wants to impeach IRS chief Koskinen! huh! well good luck with that
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/breaking-house-gop-votes-to-begin-impeachment/
more evolution vs God....
and woody doubles down on the majic of science proving human organ development
by evolution over the Creator.
also disputes the hole in which humans eat, drink, talk and puke as being a "shitty" design
in other news congress wants to impeach IRS chief Koskinen! huh! well good luck with that
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/breaking-house-gop-votes-to-begin-impeachment/
Look, if you think your religion conflicts with evolution, that's your own issue. Of course, if you have a personal belief that conflicts with mountains of scientific evidence, you might want to rethink that belief.
Calling science you don't understand "magic" while supporting creationism is hilarious btw.
We were supposedly made in gods image, right? And I imagine god is "perfect", right? Breathing, talking, eating and drinking, leading to thousands of choking deaths per year, seems like a pretty shitty design. Even dolphins can breathe and eat through separate holes.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
my religion faith in Jesus Christ has no qualms with science, it co exists beautifully- actually.
it is majic in the science you speak of is based on supposition of billions of years of evolution....
when who in your world actually observed it?
therefore it is no different than faith except its called a hypothetical by you guys...
and when you guys approach a discussion like this - its attack first, mock and ridicule...
but thats ok because then we can respectfully disagree
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my religion faith in Jesus Christ has no qualms with science, it co exists beautifully- actually.
it is majic in the science you speak of is based on supposition of billions of years of evolution....
when who in your world actually observed it?
therefore it is no different than faith except its called a hypothetical by you guys...
and when you guys approach a discussion like this - its attack first, mock and ridicule...
but thats ok because then we can respectfully disagree
my religion faith in Jesus Christ has no qualms with science, it co exists beautifully- actually.
it is majic in the science you speak of is based on supposition of billions of years of evolution....
when who in your world actually observed it?
therefore it is no different than faith except its called a hypothetical by you guys...
and when you guys approach a discussion like this - its attack first, mock and ridicule...
but thats ok because then we can respectfully disagree
Actually we have observed fossil records of change, anatomical/genetic similarities between species (dogs/wolfs, humans/primates, birds/dinosaurs), the way species are found geographically (for example, fossils of the closest ancestors of an elephant would typically be found nearby where elephants live today).
Also it's observed on a micro scale all the time, such as in bacteria that consistently develops new mutations such as antibiotic resistance, etc.
There's no attacking, mocking, or ridiculing but your assertion that "it hasn't been observed" and it's "hypothetical" is incorrect.
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