Browns Lose LB Hayes Pullard to the Jaguars
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The other way to look at it is our coaches aren't the best at evaluating talent
A lot of us have different option's on this. Coaches got it right on Pryor & Mayle on nobody's Field. I say they got the Depth chart right even with Blowe. Coaches can only depth chart the talent they have. My problem with coaches is letting them fail in fundamentals than discipline than they are so damn fragile they fall apart. Farmer controls the Talent the coach has to work depth chart than controls losses such as Sheard, Ward & Skrine while we hope on Soloman, Bryants & Gilbert. Bottom line Farmer with scouts & Coaches has got to start hitting on better Talent..
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Farmer is basically at this point an average GM when it comes to talent evalutation. Bitonio, Crowell, Gabriel, Kirksey, K. Williams from last year have all been solid starters/role players, especially relative to their draft positions. Meanwhile, he's had some misses like West, Gilbert (not quite ready to put Manziel there yet, but give it time). In FA it's been similar - Dansby was a great pickup, and Whitner was solid last year and is getting back to that level. Starks has been a let down, as has that WR we supposedly have on the roster (though I'm sure it *really* begins *this* sunday). McCown was clearly a better choice than Hoyer, if for nothing else than his off-field abilities, and Williams is an upgrade on Skrine.
Time will tell with this year's draft class, but we've seen positive things, at least in places, from Shelton, Cooper, Campbell, Johnson, we have Gaines coming back from IR shortly and Olumo should contribute next year. Erving should hopefully get some action if the OL continues to struggle with running, while Orchard has basically become a starter beating out Mingo.
This is all not to say he's a great GM. Going back to last year we basically got the worst pick from the first round (value wise) with Gilbert when we could have taken a number of others, we all know that. We've had some hits and some misses, and for Cleveland, that's an improvement over past years. Leon McFadden anybody? Owen Mariecic? Greg Little, Weeden, Jamoris Slaughter, Richardson - we're not even going that far back to get a long list of day 1&2 misses. Compared to hits - Schwartz at RT is about the only one I can think of from the last 4 drafts (not counting Gordon).
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I like Farmer.
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He's a 7th round pick who didn't make the roster, and we have let him exposed all season, even with Robertson hurt.
He was never going to press Dansby or Kirksey for playing time, at best he would be a special teamer, and Carder is a terrific one.
So what's all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about?
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He's a 7th round pick who didn't make the roster, and we have let him exposed all season, even with Robertson hurt.
He was never going to press Dansby or Kirksey for playing time, at best he would be a special teamer, and Carder is a terrific one.
So what's all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about?
ZZombo said:
He's a 7th round pick who didnt mae the roster, and we have let him exposed all season, even with Robertson hurt.
He was never going to press Dansby or Kirksey for playing time, at best he would be a special teamer, and Carder is a terrific one.
So what's all the waling and gnashing of teeth about?
Z
Exactly.
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Farmer is basically at this point an average GM when it comes to talent evalutation. Bitonio, Crowell, Gabriel, Kirksey, K. Williams from last year have all been solid starters/role players, especially relative to their draft positions. Meanwhile, he's had some misses like West, Gilbert (not quite ready to put Manziel there yet, but give it time). In FA it's been similar - Dansby was a great pickup, and Whitner was solid last year and is getting back to that level. Starks has been a let down, as has that WR we supposedly have on the roster (though I'm sure it *really* begins *this* sunday). McCown was clearly a better choice than Hoyer, if for nothing else than his off-field abilities, and Williams is an upgrade on Skrine.
Time will tell with this year's draft class, but we've seen positive things, at least in places, from Shelton, Cooper, Campbell, Johnson, we have Gaines coming back from IR shortly and Olumo should contribute next year. Erving should hopefully get some action if the OL continues to struggle with running, while Orchard has basically become a starter beating out Mingo.
This is all not to say he's a great GM. Going back to last year we basically got the worst pick from the first round (value wise) with Gilbert when we could have taken a number of others, we all know that. We've had some hits and some misses, and for Cleveland, that's an improvement over past years. Leon McFadden anybody? Owen Mariecic? Greg Little, Weeden, Jamoris Slaughter, Richardson - we're not even going that far back to get a long list of day 1&2 misses. Compared to hits - Schwartz at RT is about the only one I can think of from the last 4 drafts (not counting Gordon).
Farmer is basically at this point an average GM when it comes to talent evalutation. Bitonio, Crowell, Gabriel, Kirksey, K. Williams from last year have all been solid starters/role players, especially relative to their draft positions. Meanwhile, he's had some misses like West, Gilbert (not quite ready to put Manziel there yet, but give it time). In FA it's been similar - Dansby was a great pickup, and Whitner was solid last year and is getting back to that level. Starks has been a let down, as has that WR we supposedly have on the roster (though I'm sure it *really* begins *this* sunday). McCown was clearly a better choice than Hoyer, if for nothing else than his off-field abilities, and Williams is an upgrade on Skrine.
Time will tell with this year's draft class, but we've seen positive things, at least in places, from Shelton, Cooper, Campbell, Johnson, we have Gaines coming back from IR shortly and Olumo should contribute next year. Erving should hopefully get some action if the OL continues to struggle with running, while Orchard has basically become a starter beating out Mingo.
This is all not to say he's a great GM. Going back to last year we basically got the worst pick from the first round (value wise) with Gilbert when we could have taken a number of others, we all know that. We've had some hits and some misses, and for Cleveland, that's an improvement over past years. Leon McFadden anybody? Owen Mariecic? Greg Little, Weeden, Jamoris Slaughter, Richardson - we're not even going that far back to get a long list of day 1&2 misses. Compared to hits - Schwartz at RT is about the only one I can think of from the last 4 drafts (not counting Gordon).
Nice post Chris. I was starting to get frustrated with Farmer especially after the Bowe signing which so far has been a huge bust. Farmer may not be a great GM but he was a new one and I think he is smart enough to learn from mistakes and get better with time and experience.
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He's a 7th round pick who didn't make the roster, and we have let him exposed all season, even with Robertson hurt.
He was never going to press Dansby or Kirksey for playing time, at best he would be a special teamer, and Carder is a terrific one.
So what's all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about?
ZZombo said:
He's a 7th round pick who didn't make the roster, and we have let him exposed all season, even with Robertson hurt.
He was never going to press Dansby or Kirksey for playing time, at best he would be a special teamer, and Carder is a terrific one.
So what's all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about?
Z
Because I thought he could turn out to be a very good player. In preseason games he seemed to be the one guy that actually showed up to plug holes when the other teams ran the ball...and stop plays on the edge. Do you think we could use a little of that now?
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Zombo said:
He's a 7th round pick who didn't make the roster, and we have let him exposed all season, even with Robertson hurt.
He was never going to press Dansby or Kirksey for playing time, at best he would be a special teamer, and Carder is a terrific one.
So what's all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about?
Z
Because I thought he could turn out to be a very good player. In preseason games he seemed to be the one guy that actually showed up to plug holes when the other teams ran the ball...and stop plays on the edge. Do you think we could use a little of that now?
Because I thought he could turn out to be a very good player. In preseason games he seemed to be the one guy that actually showed up to plug holes when the other teams ran the ball...and stop plays on the edge. Do you think we could use a little of that now?
Could we use that? Yes. Was he going to be that guy when the bullets were real? Highly doubtful. Do I accept that your evaluation of him is better than that of the Browns brass that cut him, exposed him, and then signed someone named Jason Dimanche ahead of him? No.
Gutsy 7th rounder who was deemed too limited to be an NFL starter by the Browns. Glad to see the Jags are eating our scraps. Maybe some day good teams will eat our scraps.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
He's a 7th round pick who didn't make the roster, and we have let him exposed all season, even with Robertson hurt.
He was never going to press Dansby or Kirksey for playing time, at best he would be a special teamer, and Carder is a terrific one.
So what's all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about?
Z
Because I thought he could turn out to be a very good player. In preseason games he seemed to be the one guy that actually showed up to plug holes when the other teams ran the ball...and stop plays on the edge. Do you think we could use a little of that now?
Because I thought he could turn out to be a very good player. In preseason games he seemed to be the one guy that actually showed up to plug holes when the other teams ran the ball...and stop plays on the edge. Do you think we could use a little of that now?
Yeah, I remember you on the pullard wagon.
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I was wondering who the hell Dimanche was on Madden last night.
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Because I thought he could turn out to be a very good player. In preseason games he seemed to be the one guy that actually showed up to plug holes when the other teams ran the ball...and stop plays on the edge. Do you think we could use a little of that now?
Could we use that? Yes. Was he going to be that guy when the bullets were real? Highly doubtful. Do I accept that your evaluation of him is better than that of the Browns brass that cut him, exposed him, and then signed someone named Jason Dimanche ahead of him? No.
Gutsy 7th rounder who was deemed too limited to be an NFL starter by the Browns. Glad to see the Jags are eating our scraps. Maybe some day good teams will eat our scraps.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Could we use that? Yes. Was he going to be that guy when the bullets were real? Highly doubtful. Do I accept that your evaluation of him is better than that of the Browns brass that cut him, exposed him, and then signed someone named Jason Dimanche ahead of him? No.
Yes, Dimanche.....does he play like Sunday in the Park with George?
Gutsy 7th rounder who was deemed too limited to be an NFL starter by the Browns. Glad to see the Jags are eating our scraps. Maybe some day good teams will eat our scraps.
I do think he had some physical limitations....he was just smaller and slimmer than the usual MLB.....but I go back to Jack Lambert who was also slightly build in comparison. I am not saying he was a Jack Lambert, but I thought he could have potential.
Zombo
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watch him go beast for the Jags, that's how it rolls here in Clev.
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