***Official Browns Vs. Cardinals Game Day Thread***

BaconHound

@the-cysko-kid said:
All 3 games? Well that's a hell of a sample size. I mean nobody could ever need to see more than that

Definitely a small sample size and should not define his career but through 8 games played a 3 starts his stats aren't good. To me he also fails the eye test but I am all for giving him a shot. I just don't want to hear when he goes 2-6 with the same below average play that it is the surrounding players at fault for his struggles.

WalterWhite

@bringbackbrownie2 said:
And hire who as the new head coach? Pettine will stay..

He's not staying. You know it. You're like a little kid who can't get his toy. He's warranted nothing to stay here. Everyone wants the clown circus gone. He's the leader of this show. Get rid of him

BaconHound

Pettine will be the head coach of the Browns to start next season

WalterWhite

@baconhound said:
Pettine will be the head coach of the Browns to start next season

Want to make a wager?

bringbackbrownie2

@walterwhite said:
You're like a little kid who can't get his toy.

Pot meet kettle..

WalterWhite

Mike Pettine is an awful coach who has NEVER won anything.

I just want good decisions and good football. Our coach does neither.

BaconHound

@walterwhite said:

Mike Pettine is an awful coach who has NEVER won anything.

I just want good decisions and good football. Our coach does neither.

Then you better root for a different team because the Cleveland Browns 2015-16 is talentless. Benjamin isn't ODB, Barnidge isn't Gronk and Johnny Football certainly isn't Aaron Rodgers.

WalterWhite

A baked potato could coach better than Pettine

BaconHound

@walterwhite said:
A baked potato could coach better than Pettine

There have been a few questionable calls that he has made but the team isn't any good. Pettine isn't holding this team back the players just aren't as good as we want them to be.

bbedward

@walterwhite said:
Want to make a wager?

6 pack

browns52

@walterwhite said:
A baked potato could coach better than Pettine

hahahahahahahaaaa.....good one....

browns52

@browns52 said:
hahahahahahahaaaa.....good one....

i think your point is a good one, however so are the other posters in that this team has absolutely fucking zero talent...combine them together and this is what we get 2-6. and since the 7-4 point of the season last yr, we are 2-11...not good...

browns52

@tacosman said:
walter, it's not josh's fault. If he had like, the 1993 cowboys offensive line and a perfect pocket on every single pass where defensive ends couldn't get within 5 yards of him and his throwing lanes looked like the audobon at 3am.....he'd be good. Oh and a dominate running game. But it's not his fault at all that the defensive ends are practically 3-4 feet away from him after just 3-4 seconds. How the hell is he supposed to be effective then? And every other qb has a dominate running game....don't you know that?

that is a great point. I keep saying that. Look josh is what josh is, but sheeeesh most of the time he has about 3 seconds to find someone open...and the running game, its terrible. We have not had any kind of running game since 99, but these last several yrs are just pathetic..

calfoxwc

1. McCown was fine the first half. He got beaten up/injured. It's infreakingexcusable

to have left McCown in the game the second half. The offense imploded, he had serious

trouble throwing the ball. That was stupid.

2. The offense trouble... is the lack of wr's. Arizona had them, and they were losing.

But when they went after McCown, he couldn't get rid of the ball on a successful play...

the little Browns wr's have trouble getting open.

3. Turbin... seriously? two fumbles on two handoffs?

4. Why, oh why, was JM going to go into the game for McCown, was 3 steps onto the field....

and Pettine called him back to the sidelines? I would think that JM would never have been

going into the game without being told to. And yet, apparently, it wasn't Pettine that told him to.

I'm thinkin maybe...that sounds like worse than confusion between Pettine and Flip.

5. Running on first down. Surely the percentage of times they do that is near 99 percent.

6. The second time a defensive player landed on top of McCown as he was sliding... why wasn't that called?

7. Too bad the Browns don't get a half win for the first half of the game.

8. Maybe Dwayne Bowe has a learning disability. All this time and surely he ran the wrong route? Some

kind of big miscommunication there.

9. Just my opinion, but they had no business leaving McCown in there. McCown is tough, and can play,

but he was really hurt, and the whole time after that, it was a disaster. But Pettine didn't have the nads

to put JM in. I don't get it.

10. Apparently, Joe Haden shouldn't have been in there yet, either. But Fitzgerald flagrantly pushed off

and there was no call. If Pettine isn't able to figure out how to man up and make changes during a game...

then let Flip be head coach or something.

hoorta

@baconhound said:

Definitely a small sample size and should not define his career but through 8 games played a 3 starts his stats aren't good. To me he also fails the eye test but I am all for giving him a shot. I just don't want to hear when he goes 2-6 with the same below average play that it is the surrounding players at fault for his struggles.

Great- then Manziel will be shit canned along with the equally ineffective McCown. Manziel at least can say he's 1-1 in games he had a hand in this year- Josh is 1-4.

BaconHound

@hoorta said:

Great- then Manziel will be shit canned along with the equally ineffective McCown. Manziel at least can say he's 1-1 in games he had a hand in this year- Josh is 1-4.

If the Browns defense was to the level of the 85 Bears, like many in here thought they would be, then Mccown would be 8-0.

Tour2ma

@tacosman said:
and no more of this "they are there everyday in practice evaluating the qb situation" bullshit......that's not valid because PETTINE IS AN IDIOT WHO IS GOING TO BE FIRED. Yes, they are there evaluating things....they also suck, so their opinion has little value. Using that as a defense for anything is lame.

Your version of "I called it no changes?"

@walterwhite said:
I just don't get it. I do NOT get it.

Closest thing to the truth that you've ever posted...

And I'll take your wager...

@tacosman said:
guys, the fact that mccown gets the shit beat out of him every week isn't some random thing. It's not even an indictment of the browns offensive line or whatever. It's solely due to the fact that he doesn't know how to move correctly in the pocket, get rid of the ball, slide at the right time, etc....that play when minter popped him good was because he slid too damn late. Like he always does, Like the jets game. Its mostly his fault.

Like the Jet's game? How far does the pocket go downfield in your world?

Browns OL not at fault... not even when 3 DL from three different angles hit him simultaneously?

@tacosman said:

no, mccown has put up average numbers....not top 10 numbers. And in the context of those average numbers, unfortunately for him and us the timeliness has not been there. Nor have the wins.

Lets stop this "he's putting up top ten numbers" bullshit....not if you look at the right numbers he isn't. He's making poor decisions, has put up average numbers, has a knack for losing, and doesn't know how to slide.....

That in bold is my new favorite Taco-ism...

@tacosman said:

hehehe...yards.....how many rbis does he have? stolen bases?

His advanced stats(you know...the things he does that actually contribute to wins) were average going into this one. I'd guess after this one and todays performance a little below average.

Advanced stats in your hands are a little like giving a toddler a hand grenade...

JAFBF

Took Friday off, kind of messed with my schedule - had a good day yesterday . . . totally forgot it was Football until I was going to bed.

My lack of enthusiasm for the Season I mentioned pre - Training Camp has played out well . . . sadly.

Looks like I was way off on my call of this Team going 8 - 8 this year.

This Team/Organization has some serious problems, and are more than deserving of yet another reboot.

I don't see how Haslam can do that though and expect to get anyone worth a hoot to come here.

Man, I was all in on the Farmer/Pettine combo.

I think the final gaffe for me was Farmer signing Bowe to a $9M guaranteed deal . . . following the senseless Text Gate fiasco /smh.

Been a Browns fan all my life, but yesterday was eye opening.

It's truly sad, but I with the crew we have now, I'm seeing us going backwards.

Mudfly

@baconhound said:

There have been a few questionable calls that he has made....

Here are my 10 questionable choices.....

1) Our old, injured, non winning QB was obviously hurt......why not play our #1 drafted, heisman winning rookie who we traded up to get?....thats why we picked him, right?

2) Our starting cornerback is nursing a rib injury, broken finger and concussion....AND is getting burned on every play.....so why not play our #1 drafted corner back who we traded up to get?.....thats why we picked him right?....he's played 9 defensive snaps this year(and 8 were in the same game)......(same logic applied last season when we couldnt run a kick back for our lives, yet Gilbert sat and watched)(whos REALLY getting punished, the player? or everyone else?)

3) Our RB Duke Johnson has flashed the last couple games and had 2 catches in the first quarter for over 60+ yards. Perhaps our only true playmaker right now.....so why do we NOT go to him even ONCE THE REST OF THE GAME....????!!!!???(NOT ONCE) (COMPLETE INSANITY)

4) EJ Bibbs led the team in receptions during the pre-season by catching 7 passes in 3 games......sooooo....lets make him inactive every single game and play 2 guys who havent caught 7 passes all season long(COMBINED)....(more insanity)

5) Pre-season the team commits to Crowell as the starter and claims they want to move away from RB by committee....soooo, they go out and pickup an injured practice team player and insert him into the line up ahead of "their guy" Crowell and the new hotshot rookie Duke......brilliant.....(why is Turbin ahead of these other guys????)

6) Hey, lets sign a $9m wide receiver, then not throw him the ball or even play him a single down ftm....that'll teach him....

7) And Hey, lets do the same thing with TE while we are at it(Housler).....sign him and sit him....

2nd qtr, we got our foot on their throats and we run 3 times just wanting to get to the locker room...other team gets the ball with a few seconds and PASSES IT(amazing idea) and THEY get three......coach to WIN DAMMIT!!!!!

9) Our starting OLB(Kruger) couldnt tackle a 5 year old right now.....and we have 2 unproven, highly touted OLB's in Mingo and Orchard.....PLAY THEM EVERY PLAY, BECAUSE IF THEY GET JUST 2 TACKLES, THEY ARE PLAYING BETTER THAN KRUGER.....

10) Blitz somebody dammit......Coach is supposed to be famous for creative blitz packages yada yada.....yet, we go into dime coverage everytime its an obvious passing down....aggressive wins the day.....STOP PLAYING SCARED!!!....

Honestly, I see this staff making poor personnel choices and going against the grain during games. I think that THEY think they are being unpredictable and not doing what "most" teams would do, so maybe they are just outsmarting themselves......like, we wont play Duke because they probably expect us to play Duke....duh......so well put in some unknown guy and really fool em!!!....

Tour2ma

Now that was a vent with substance...