I think it's time to blow up the team.
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We really do not have anything to work off of at this time. Ive seen this movie before. When Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow and Cribbs and that crew were hanging around people wanted to build off of what we had but then we had nothing either. What do we have worth building around? Lines? Both of our lines have looked like crap. Linebackers? No. Defensive backs? Not really. Wide Receivers? All our guys should be slot receivers. We don't have a number 1. We've got a good tight end. Ok. We've got a decent back in Duke. Ok. Quarterback situation sucks. I'm just not seeing what we have to really build on at this time.
We really do not have anything to work off of at this time. Ive seen this movie before. When Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow and Cribbs and that crew were hanging around people wanted to build off of what we had but then we had nothing either. What do we have worth building around? Lines? Both of our lines have looked like crap. Linebackers? No. Defensive backs? Not really. Wide Receivers? All our guys should be slot receivers. We don't have a number 1. We've got a good tight end. Ok. We've got a decent back in Duke. Ok. Quarterback situation sucks. I'm just not seeing what we have to really build on at this time.
Scary but true, can't believe some people thought this team was playoff bound
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Right! It's that easy!
Cut/Trade everyone. Get great value for them all. Replace our staff with a better staff. Make 14 great drafts picks. And then start winning!
That easy!
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We just did blow up the team 2 years ago.
Some Browns fans have a really short term memory.
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LACK OF TALENT EVALUATERS , SCOUTING DEPT. COACHING, POUR TACKLING, PENALTIES. BAD INVESTMENTS EQUALS BAD RETURNS.
LACK OF TALENT EVALUATERS , SCOUTING DEPT. COACHING, POUR TACKLING, PENALTIES. BAD INVESTMENTS EQUALS BAD RETURNS.
Pour tackling!!!
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Well its not that bad of an idea if this wizard thinks we're getting a bunch of high draft picks out of a bunch of guys that can't play on his team. And cutting the guys with guaranteed contract is another brilliant idea. Just throw the money on a pile with some lighter fluid...
Oh yes, and get the quarterback? Which one? Why not just take about 5 or 6 with all these number one picks we're getting from the bums?
WSS
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Some other stuff I said just to repeat:
-Fire or demote O'Neil. I get guys have been hurt but his schemes are awful and he's in over his head. The blitz calls this team puts together are so predictable and awful it hurts my soul.
-Duke Johnson is primary ball carrier and is on the field 75% of the time minimum. Turbin apparently isn't good at receiving hand offs, too bad that's about the most important thing of being a RB.
-Bench so called starters on both sides of the ball. Hartline had four drops today, Mack is playing awful, half the offensive line jumps. Get Erving some run, Bibbs, anyone. I'm sure we'd miss Dray and his awful blocking and 4 receptions but we can manage without him.
-If Haden is hurt like I do truly believe he is, shut him down for a while. See what you got in Gilbert or Desir more.
So much more but something's gotta fucking change and make me believe they even give a shit out there.
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Some other stuff I said just to repeat:
-Fire or demote O'Neil. I get guys have been hurt but his schemes are awful and he's in over his head. The blitz calls this team puts together are so predictable and awful it hurts my soul.
-Duke Johnson is primary ball carrier and is on the field 75% of the time minimum. Turbin apparently isn't good at receiving hand offs, too bad that's about the most important thing of being a RB.
-Bench so called starters on both sides of the ball. Hartline had four drops today, Mack is playing awful, half the offensive line jumps. Get Erving some run, Bibbs, anyone. I'm sure we'd miss Dray and his awful blocking and 4 receptions but we can manage without him.
-If Haden is hurt like I do truly believe he is, shut him down for a while. See what you got in Gilbert or Desir more.
So much more but something's gotta fucking change and make me believe they even give a shit out there.
Some other stuff I said just to repeat:
-Fire or demote O'Neil. I get guys have been hurt but his schemes are awful and he's in over his head. The blitz calls this team puts together are so predictable and awful it hurts my soul.
-Duke Johnson is primary ball carrier and is on the field 75% of the time minimum. Turbin apparently isn't good at receiving hand offs, too bad that's about the most important thing of being a RB.
-Bench so called starters on both sides of the ball. Hartline had four drops today, Mack is playing awful, half the offensive line jumps. Get Erving some run, Bibbs, anyone. I'm sure we'd miss Dray and his awful blocking and 4 receptions but we can manage without him.
-If Haden is hurt like I do truly believe he is, shut him down for a while. See what you got in Gilbert or Desir more.
So much more but something's gotta fucking change and make me believe they even give a shit out there.
I agree that this team stinks but isn't that exactly what the Cleveland Browns are?
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That's when you hit them so hard the piss pours from themPour tackling!!!
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The minute Joe Thomas leaves we will search for our next franchise LT. It can be this week or in a few years. Assuming we get only one 1st rounder for him, the most likely place it will be spent is in the next draft... on a LT prospect.
As for Duke getting 75% of the reps... he's neither built nor suited for that IMO. What is his longest run from our Singleback set? Give him a series here and there. Give him third downs. Give him passing situations in the gun, but don't grind him. He won't take the pounding.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The minute Joe Thomas leaves we will search for our next franchise LT. It can be this week or in a few years. Assuming we get only one 1st rounder for him, the most likely place it will be spent is in the next draft... on a LT prospect.
As for Duke getting 75% of the reps... he's neither built nor suited for that IMO. What is his longest run from our Singleback set? Give him a series here and there. Give him third downs. Give him passing situations in the gun, but don't grind him. He won't take the pounding.
The minute Joe Thomas leaves we will search for our next franchise LT. It can be this week or in a few years. Assuming we get only one 1st rounder for him, the most likely place it will be spent is in the next draft... on a LT prospect.
As for Duke getting 75% of the reps... he's neither built nor suited for that IMO. What is his longest run from our Singleback set? Give him a series here and there. Give him third downs. Give him passing situations in the gun, but don't grind him. He won't take the pounding.
Seeing how many of Farmer's1st round draft picks weren't playing yesterday - it's kind of scary. Erving, Manziel watched 36 year old QB in a lot of pain, and Gilbert watched Bademosi drown.
Good point about Duke; but I'm not sure they want to get Turbin on the field. He put the ball on the ground twice and I don't see great quickness or acceleration. I'd go with a mix of Crow and Duke.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Flug, This is just more proof that Farmer did not hire Pettine. Let the "Who's got the Power Show" begin.. Drago gets killed to prove JM is not the answer to Farmer , Bowe is only worth what buttbuddies paid him. Turpin let Pet down big time after watching Crow play well, but Pet plays veterans. Duke saw the ball once, thanks Flipo. This is a total Clusterfuck period. Rant over but out there..
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We passed on Derek Carr and Teddy Twatwater, both who were rated by most analysts as more "pro ready" than Manziel, yet we MOVED UP to draft Johnny. Granted, I don't think it's completely fair to write the kid off because he hasn't played a lot, but it really hurts to see both Carr and Teddy winning games. It hurts really bad.
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The minute Joe Thomas leaves we will search for our next franchise LT. It can be this week or in a few years. Assuming we get only one 1st rounder for him, the most likely place it will be spent is in the next draft... on a LT prospect.
As for Duke getting 75% of the reps... he's neither built nor suited for that IMO. What is his longest run from our Singleback set? Give him a series here and there. Give him third downs. Give him passing situations in the gun, but don't grind him. He won't take the pounding.
Seeing how many of Farmer's1st round draft picks weren't playing yesterday - it's kind of scary. Erving, Manziel watched 36 year old QB in a lot of pain, and Gilbert watched Bademosi drown.
Good point about Duke; but I'm not sure they want to get Turbin on the field. He put the ball on the ground twice and I don't see great quickness or acceleration. I'd go with a mix of Crow and Duke.
Good point about Duke; but I'm not sure they want to get Turbin on the field. He put the ball on the ground twice and I don't see great quickness or acceleration. I'd go with a mix of Crow and Duke.
I have no idea what made Turbin look like it was his first day of PeeWee practice yesterday. One handoff he has his arms too far apart; later too close together. But you only have to go back a week to see what he has... vision. Agree on his acceleration... it's not up to our other backs' level, but it seems adequate. Quickness? Not sure... he seems to me to run pretty twitchy.
Crow started like a house a fire yesterday, and I think he has the best balance of all our backs' physical attributes, but his vision just isn't there.
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The excuses have to fuckin' stop! Enough is enough! This shit has been going on for 15 years since this team has returned! It doesn't matter who the owner, the GM, or the coach is! It's the same fuckin' shit sandwich year after year! The way that the NFL is built there is NO REASON why a team can't turn it around in short order! We've seen it many times before! Yet with the Browns it's always "we're rebuilding!" BULLSHIT!!! Send a message once and for all to this owner and STOP GOING TO GAMES! It should have been done with Lerner, but he ended up getting out! At any rate, nothing changes because the fans keep going, paying over priced parking, concessions, and ticket prices and lining the owners pockets! Yet the product on the field continues to suck ass year after year! Send this guy a message! Perhaps when there are a few black outs resulting in the loss of revenue from the networks, and loss of revenue from low merchandise and low concession sales, he'll get the hint! We always hear that the NFL is a business! OK then treat it like a business! The Browns are like a restaurant that continues to provide shitty service! When a restaurant provides shitty service, do you continue to patronize it? No! Hit the owner in his wallet, and watch how fast they turn it around!
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The excuses have to fuckin' stop! Enough is enough! This shit has been going on for 15 years since this team has returned! It doesn't matter who the owner, the GM, or the coach is! It's the same fuckin' shit sandwich year after year! The way that the NFL is built there is NO REASON why a team can't turn it around in short order! We've seen it many times before! Yet with the Browns it's always "we're rebuilding!" BULLSHIT!!! Send a message once and for all to this owner and STOP GOING TO GAMES! It should have been done with Lerner, but he ended up getting out! At any rate, nothing changes because the fans keep going, paying over priced parking, concessions, and ticket prices and lining the owners pockets! Yet the product on the field continues to suck ass year after year! Send this guy a message! Perhaps when there are a few black outs resulting in the loss of revenue from the networks, and loss of revenue from low merchandise and low concession sales, he'll get the hint! We always hear that the NFL is a business! OK then treat it like a business! The Browns are like a restaurant that continues to provide shitty service! When a restaurant provides shitty service, do you continue to patronize it? No! Hit the owner in his wallet, and watch how fast they turn it around!
The excuses have to fuckin' stop! Enough is enough! This shit has been going on for 15 years since this team has returned! It doesn't matter who the owner, the GM, or the coach is! It's the same fuckin' shit sandwich year after year! The way that the NFL is built there is NO REASON why a team can't turn it around in short order! We've seen it many times before! Yet with the Browns it's always "we're rebuilding!" BULLSHIT!!! Send a message once and for all to this owner and STOP GOING TO GAMES! It should have been done with Lerner, but he ended up getting out! At any rate, nothing changes because the fans keep going, paying over priced parking, concessions, and ticket prices and lining the owners pockets! Yet the product on the field continues to suck ass year after year! Send this guy a message! Perhaps when there are a few black outs resulting in the loss of revenue from the networks, and loss of revenue from low merchandise and low concession sales, he'll get the hint! We always hear that the NFL is a business! OK then treat it like a business! The Browns are like a restaurant that continues to provide shitty service! When a restaurant provides shitty service, do you continue to patronize it? No! Hit the owner in his wallet, and watch how fast they turn it around!
It kind of depends if there are other restaurants in town to eat at
I hear you man I really do, its kind of a catch 22. Id like the message to be sent but I also don't want to see my Browns headed out of Cleveland again either. Quite the dilemma. I will say that fans are definitely bailing. Sunday the 2 ticket holders on either side of me in a lower level close to field section just didnt show up. They have both told me they wont be renewing and will be selling their PSL's. There were easily 10 open seats in the row behind me as well. Its not looking pretty -
We're the only fans in the league I know of so gun shy we worry that if we complain the team is just going to up and leave.
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Good point about Duke; but I'm not sure they want to get Turbin on the field. He put the ball on the ground twice and I don't see great quickness or acceleration. I'd go with a mix of Crow and Duke.
I have no idea what made Turbin look like it was his first day of PeeWee practice yesterday. One handoff he has his arms too far apart; later too close together. But you only have to go back a week to see what he has... vision. Agree on his acceleration... it's not up to our other backs' level, but it seems adequate. Quickness? Not sure... he seems to me to run pretty twitchy.
Crow started like a house a fire yesterday, and I think he has the best balance of all our backs' physical attributes, but his vision just isn't there.
I have no idea what made Turbin look like it was his first day of PeeWee practice yesterday. One handoff he has his arms too far apart; later too close together. But you only have to go back a week to see what he has... vision. Agree on his acceleration... it's not up to our other backs' level, but it seems adequate. Quickness? Not sure... he seems to me to run pretty twitchy.
Haha maybe Turbin lifts too much. His arms are too fucking big to fit in the football...
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