You can't defend this circus anymore.

WalterWhite

@miktoxic said:

the myth of some new regime walking in and going from last place to super bowl winning champs is ridiculous......... most that go from last to first were handed a stacked team to begin with.

someone please give me an example of what team did this and where are they at now?

No one is asking a new regime to walk in and win a Superbowl.

They are asking the new regime to draft good football players, make good FA acquisitions, and play hard passionate football on Sundays instead of this lazy sloppy infested bullshit Pettine and Farmer put on the field.

DieHardBrownsFan

So many know it all's in here. I'm fucking amazed.

The Cysko Kid

I'm not sure im going to watch this game. Depends on how nice the day is tomorrow. I figure there's a very high probibility of a browns loss so maybe it's a trap game. Maybe I'll dvr it.

D Bone

I have to miss tomorrow's game because of family stuff. I missed last weeks game too, but I will be in the Tavern on Thursday to watch us upset the Bungles.

Flugel

@the-cysko-kid said:
I'm not sure im going to watch this game. Depends on how nice the day is tomorrow. I figure there's a very high probibility of a browns loss so maybe it's a trap game. Maybe I'll dvr it.

I'm never that smart. I get on the bi-polar coaster every Sunday and go from game face to X's and Uh-O's. Then, I get to read "Fire the Coach" every week from the same knucklehead that thinks Al Golden or Ken Whisenhunt is the solution to all our problems. Once in a while I buffer my expectation like the Denver game before the Browns reel me back into "hey we can win this game!"

This week? I'm not that smart again.

Flugel

@the-gipper said:
I don't think that is true......but with another poor performance against the run......and Chris Johnson is right now the #2 rusher in the league.....I just think that O'Neil will be digging his grave deeper.

That's probably true Gipper. That said, I never got the impression this was O'NEIL's defense. It's Pettine's defense that is getting puppeted through O'Neil with a turbulent learning curve full of growing pains for the DC and players. If Jimmy ends up demanding that Pettine fires O'Neil - he's basically firing a part of himself. Not much different than when Modell wanted Marty to hire an OC back when Marty wanted to keep Infante's offense after he was gone. The problem wasn't the design of the offense it was the lack of organizational skills and lack of experience our Infante replacement had that led to big clock management blunders. More specifically, if it wasn't coming from Lindy Infante - it wasn't going to look like his offense to anyone but the Head Coach with the idea. I think we can find another DC candidate that can run hybrid fronts compatible with a lot of the personnel we have. This would actually promote more growth for Mike Pettine than staying in his comfort zone today.

Last week, we began the game with the defense playing good. It was our offense that gave up the first TD while their turnovers and penalties never gave us a vibe they were going to be worth more than 2 FGs all game long. I wonder how it would have played out if we could have ever possessed the ball for a 7 -8 minute drive punctuated by a TD.

Tour2ma

@flugel said:
I think we can find another DC candidate that can run hybrid fronts compatible with a lot of the personnel we have. This would actually promote more growth for Mike Pettine than staying in his comfort zone today.

First, post 172, your long one was really good stuff.

As for the above, great angle that hadn't really come up to this point. Group think is a deadly sin...

The Gipper

I can't defend this circus anymore.

Need a new DC.....and while McCown can be OK at times....I think we need to get the fresh blood evaluated at QB.....be it JMZ or Davis.

hoorta

@the-gipper said:

I can't defend this circus anymore.

Need a new DC.....and while McCown can be OK at times....I think we need to get the fresh blood evaluated at QB.....be it JMZ or Davis.

If there's a Thursday Night Massacre in Bungle Town, It's going to get so ugly- I don't see anyway possible Pettine can "Stay the Course".

The Gipper

@hoorta said:

If there's a Thursday Night Massacre in Bungle Town, It's going to get so ugly- I don't see anyway possible Pettine can "Stay the Course".

Bye week......Pettine stays. DC's head rolls though....maybe another coach or two.

browns52

@hoorta said:

If there's a Thursday Night Massacre in Bungle Town, It's going to get so ugly- I don't see anyway possible Pettine can "Stay the Course".

it should be a massacre. bengals o has not erupted lately. they will thursday night.......

bbedward

We're going to steam roll the Bengals this Thursday night. Book it.

Tour2ma

Attaboy, bb...

And I actually agree. Totally irrational, but I agree...

Mark O

@tour2ma said:

Attaboy, bb...

And I actually agree. Totally irrational, but I agree...

I think we'll win. But kickoff I'll believe that we steamroll them. But I believe that we are going to win every single week.

browns52

@diehardbrownsfan said:
So many know it all's in here. I'm fucking amazed.

you must be talking about the browns front office.

bbedward

I'll put a 6 pack of Christmas ale up for anyone who wants to bet against the Browns

hoorta

@bbedward said:
I'll put a 6 pack of Christmas ale up for anyone who wants to bet against the Browns

I'll happily take you up on this one. On paper, there's no way the Browns can beat the Bengals. And I don't like Christmas ale, thank you very much. I don't like any of that bizarre crap in my beer. FWIW, I've only lost one bet on line taking sucker bets. Ghoolie beat me once. If I had sent Guido to collect on all the money I was entitled to from RatBird fans who thought their team was actually going to win more than 7 games in 1996, I would have won over $1,000 bucks.

Tacosman

of course thr browns 'can' beat the bungles. Sucky teams like the browns have about a 30% chance to win games like this. The bungles, while 7-0, have played close games mostly so its not like they are a juggernaught. its not a shocking thing if they win. But this idea that they have a >50 percent chance to win(even when they do) is silly.

The Cysko Kid

Any given Sunday any team supposedly can win. I have a hard time ,however, given our injury status and lack of talent to begin with, seeing how we are realistically going to beat the bengals.

bbedward

@hoorta said:

I'll happily take you up on this one. On paper, there's no way the Browns can beat the Bengals. And I don't like Christmas ale, thank you very much. I don't like any of that bizarre crap in my beer. FWIW, I've only lost one bet on line taking sucker bets. Ghoolie beat me once. If I had sent Guido to collect on all the money I was entitled to from RatBird fans who thought their team was actually going to win more than 7 games in 1996, I would have won over $1,000 bucks.

6 pack of your choice then, I'm really confident going into Thursday despite the fact we suck, have big injuries, and are on the road

Mostly because we always play the Bengals tough and it's primetime.