Joe Thomas
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Joe Thomas is not an elite run blocker. Id say hes an average at best run blocker on a team who that has to run the ball to be competitive.
He's ranked #2 run blocker in the league.....again.....
He's a good,not average, run blocker and an elite pass blocker.
lets just say it.....He's elite....across the board.....none better
Baloney. Just last year, he was the best run blocker. Give the rest of us a break from the nonsense already.
This year #2....must be slipping.......
Trade Joe Thomas crowd = Looney.
Omg.....I agree......miracles DO happen.....
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Agreed - Joe is no roadgrader, but I figure there is no roadgrader in the NFL,
who can also do what Joe does. Surely the abilities are mutually exclusive.
TC...
Is it wrong to think that there is a lot more unverified reporting these days? That second sources are optional and the need to be first often trumps the need to be right?
Agreed - Joe is no roadgrader, but I figure there is no roadgrader in the NFL, who can also do what Joe does. Surely the abilities are mutually exclusive.
Today? None I can think of, but over time?
Munoz... Ogden... Pace... Jones... All were in the same class as Joe as a pass blocker and all were also road graders.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If we gave up JT + a 3rd, for Denver's 1st and 2nd - I would be in the crowd of torches and pitchforks for Farmer's head.
Earlier report said we wanted 1st + Shaq Barrett, something like that is probably closer to the truth of what we would have taken for JT.
If we gave up JT + a 3rd, for Denver's 1st and 2nd - I would be in the crowd of torches and pitchforks for Farmer's head.
Earlier report said we wanted 1st + Shaq Barrett, something like that is probably closer to the truth of what we would have taken for JT.
If they thought Denver would part with one of their starting OLB'ers, and a stud too, in the middle of a SB hunt? OUr team is run by factual nitwits. No business being around any football operations whatsoever.
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Honestly, I'm a little bummed that he didn't get traded to Denver or another playoff bound team.. JT has been such a great player his entire career and a class act; he deserves to win something, and he sure as shit isn't going to win with the Browns anytime soon.
In a way, he sort of reminds me of the horse from "Animal Farm". He'll be loyal to the Browns cause until he physically can't play anymore, then we'll ship him off to the glue factory in Jacksonville or Oakland or San Francisco for like a 4th rounder or something.
The Browns have enough overall talent to be a playoff contender. They are missing a few key pieces.
The Browns problems are in the FO and coaching....not the on field talent.....except the most important position: QB
The Browns have enough overall talent to be a playoff contender.
um no they don't. Seriously. No they don't. They've got a few players that deserve honorable mentions
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Zombo said:
I think I'm just going to keep the headline the way it is to freak out some people.
Zombo
Me, for instance...
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I'm hoping the broncos called, and ray said "we want a first...and a second..." "OK" "...and then throw in your linebacker as well..." "umm..." "...and give us a 4th while you're at it"
Just to fuck with the broncos. Because the alternative - that he was seriously considering trading JT - is a bit troublesome. You can trade just about anyone on this team, but trade JT and there will be a full scale revolt.
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That was just wrong, Zombo.
and, I gave you a good job on that post, Chris....
(hah !)
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That was just wrong, Zombo.
and, I gave you a good job on that post, Chris....
(hah !)
You know what they say about sun shines and dogs asses. And you, my friend, are a huge dog's ass
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As much as I love Joe he's not getting any younger. A first and a second next year would be a nice prize. Next year Denver starts over.
Assuming, of course, that whoever the GM is next year doesn't pull a ray farmer on us.
WSS
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You know what they say about sun shines and dogs asses. And you, my friend, are a huge dog's ass
Chris****************************************************
well, you are what comes out of the huge dogs ass.
(now, how the hell can I UN-good job that post.......dammit....)
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The Browns have enough overall talent to be a playoff contender.
um no they don't. Seriously. No they don't. They've got a few players that deserve honorable mentions
um no they don't. Seriously. No they don't. They've got a few players that deserve honorable mentions
Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
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Gip, you do realize who it is your use of the "movie thing" puts you in the company of... don't you?
And no, it's not WestSideSteve...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Gip, you do realize who it is your use of the "movie thing" puts you in the company of... don't you?
And no, it's not WestSideSteve...
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um no they don't. Seriously. No they don't. They've got a few players that deserve honorable mentions
Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
i'm sorry I've seen too many of our guys beat in situaitons where scheme didn't matter, it was just a matter of beating the guy infront of you. I know they've been using Kruger horrendously, I do not fault him for getting beat in the flat or across the middle by a good TE. It's absurd we're even talking about him being used like that....however, I've just seen him beat too much at the point..even by TE's. And receiving TE's at that. When teams can nullify your edges with TE's, means they're sending the lineman to the 2nd level. That's SHIT. And I see this kind of base ineptitude over a lot of our players, mostly defense but the offensive lineman are also getting beasted one up.
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I don't like the "getting old" argument for JT.
Guys playing as good as ever, no signs of slowing down soon.
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Talent evaluation wise at the beginning of the year....yes, they do. But a few things have occurred: Injuries have diminished a few good players......like Joe Haden.
And bad coaching begets bad playing. Its like a movie.....you can have some of the greatest acting talent up on that screen, but if the writing for that movie is piss poor (say GM) .....and the directing of those great actors is piss poor (coaching)....you have a bad movie. Great actors cannot cure it.
Like some of these:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/10-terrible-films-starring-great-actors-20150324
i'm sorry I've seen too many of our guys beat in situaitons where scheme didn't matter, it was just a matter of beating the guy infront of you. I know they've been using Kruger horrendously, I do not fault him for getting beat in the flat or across the middle by a good TE. It's absurd we're even talking about him being used like that....however, I've just seen him beat too much at the point..even by TE's. And receiving TE's at that. When teams can nullify your edges with TE's, means they're sending the lineman to the 2nd level. That's SHIT. And I see this kind of base ineptitude over a lot of our players, mostly defense but the offensive lineman are also getting beasted one up.
...however, I've just seen him beat too much at the point..even by TE's.
There it is.....watch him and you will see him get blocked, boxed out and beaten on almost every single play......
Heck, Justin Gilbert has one less tackle than Kruger and he's only played ST.....
400+ snaps and only 9 tackles......n-i-n-e....
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NOPE.
Deal didn't get done in time, despite being reported by ESPN.
HAHA FUCK YOU DENVER.
NOPE.
Deal didn't get done in time, despite being reported by ESPN.
HAHA FUCK YOU DENVER.
Great comment from cleveland.com
what Ray didnt say in his presser was that the Thomas to Denver deal fell through because he asked the Broncos to make the picks for him
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...however, I've just seen him beat too much at the point..even by TE's.
There it is.....watch him and you will see him get blocked, boxed out and beaten on almost every single play......
Heck, Justin Gilbert has one less tackle than Kruger and he's only played ST.....
400+ snaps and only 9 tackles......n-i-n-e....
There it is.....watch him and you will see him get blocked, boxed out and beaten on almost every single play......
Heck, Justin Gilbert has one less tackle than Kruger and he's only played ST.....
400+ snaps and only 9 tackles......n-i-n-e....
Gtfo....one less. Sucks we couldn't move him but fuck who wants him? Now watch him go somewhere next year where they convert him to a DE and have a Jared Allen like resurgence. Speaking of which, that fucker still has some shit left in his tank. Carolina can't leave him in there all game like they did on Monday, all those guys gassed out. But fuck me Jared Allen kind of looks like he's got his old pop back. I fail to see how Kruger looks less powerful and explosive off the line even when he has his hands down....than a 33 year old Allen who looks like he should be playing in a band with westside at this point.
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