Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Honestly, I don't know how someone could argue against your post. I mean, so what if they play worse? Does that mean we'll just lose by MORE points? At this point, who cares? We simply have to know if any of our first round talent can play ball. Maybe some of these guys are just "gamers", and don't do well in practice, but shine when the lights are on? Can anybody tell me with a straight face that Johnson Bademosi is a better cornerback than Justin Gilbert? I don't really think that Manziel can do any better than McCown, but I do think Johnny needs to be in the damn game to see where he is at. Maybe Johnny has a high ceiling that we don't know about? Perhaps his legs and ability to run the ball will help offset the constant pass rush, and maybe even *gasp* open up the running game for our backs? And do we really want to wait until training camp to see what we have in Erving?
Honestly, I don't know how someone could argue against your post. I mean, so what if they play worse? Does that mean we'll just lose by MORE points? At this point, who cares? We simply have to know if any of our first round talent can play ball. Maybe some of these guys are just "gamers", and don't do well in practice, but shine when the lights are on? Can anybody tell me with a straight face that Johnson Bademosi is a better cornerback than Justin Gilbert? I don't really think that Manziel can do any better than McCown, but I do think Johnny needs to be in the damn game to see where he is at. Maybe Johnny has a high ceiling that we don't know about? Perhaps his legs and ability to run the ball will help offset the constant pass rush, and maybe even *gasp* open up the running game for our backs? And do we really want to wait until training camp to see what we have in Erving?
When you are still in contention for a playoff spot, you don't give up and say screw it. The Browns still have a chance check the numbers.
The problem with playing Manizel if he sucks as bad as last year has two major effects.
1. You set him back further. He plays like crap because he isn't ready. They drafted him in the 1st round. If it take 3 years to get ready, guess what.... they have to wait. If it takes 4.... they have to wait. They screwed up picking him, now they have to do what it takes to get something out of him. This "See what we have" doesn't work for a guy in his second year, who had MAJOR issues last year, wasn't NFL ready and still isn't. Pet knows what he has, and its not an NFL QB yet.
2. When you play and get your ass kicked because you "Want to see what he has" the rest of the team regresses. Manizel going in and getting lit up like he did last year against the Bengals not only messes him up, but it screws the rest of the team. How much work is Duke going to get when JM goes in and goes 3 and out every time they get the ball? How much practice is Danny going to get playing 50 min. a game because the offense can't stay on the field. Gary B.? Benji? The issue is everything centers around the QB. Josh can run the offense better with broken ribs than Johnny can healthy. Putting Gilbert in might be ok, but if the team is hanging on in a game and the guy lets up two big bombs then the game is out of reach. CB isn't the best position to put a guy on an island either.
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So, it's Johnny Football Manziel tomorrow. Well, I guess some section of the fan base will be happy, and it certainly won't hurt to get him more game time. Perhaps this is the start of the transition, especially if JFF plays well - we'll have a long week afterwards where he can assume full starting duty? McCown apparently said his ribs might take weeks to heal, so we might be in for a stretch of Johnny. If we're 3-8 when McCown heals, does he come back in?
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gilbert's returning punts because he's not good enough to crack the starting rotation in our secondary. Why is that hard to understand? If Gilbert was Revis island the 2nd, do any of you have some sort of conspiratorial fantasy that Pettine still wouldn't play him to spite Farmer or something? That's absurd. Gilbert isn't a good DB, that's why he's returning kicks cause Pettine is trying to get something out of a #1 pick.....we could have had Khalil Mack with that pick btw. In case any of you forgot.
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I'll take that bet.... Browns lose every game for the rest of the year and finish 2-14 and I'll leave the board, never to return. Browns win just one game to make your asinine prediction wrong, and you leave here never to return.
Deal? Put your money where your mouth is big talker. You were leaving 2 weeks ago and yet you;re still here whining like a little baby.
I wouldn't bet with you. I don't like you. And I'll whine all the fuck I want to.
I wouldn't bet with you. I don't like you. And I'll whine all the fuck I want to.
Pussy....
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So, it's Johnny Football Manziel tomorrow. Well, I guess some section of the fan base will be happy, and it certainly won't hurt to get him more game time. Perhaps this is the start of the transition, especially if JFF plays well - we'll have a long week afterwards where he can assume full starting duty? McCown apparently said his ribs might take weeks to heal, so we might be in for a stretch of Johnny. If we're 3-8 when McCown heals, does he come back in?
So, it's Johnny Football Manziel tomorrow. Well, I guess some section of the fan base will be happy, and it certainly won't hurt to get him more game time. Perhaps this is the start of the transition, especially if JFF plays well - we'll have a long week afterwards where he can assume full starting duty? McCown apparently said his ribs might take weeks to heal, so we might be in for a stretch of Johnny. If we're 3-8 when McCown heals, does he come back in?
I would think at this point in the season that if Johnny plays well tomorrow night, that he could very well be the starter again the next week against Pittsburgh. I agreed with the decision to go back to McCown after the Titans game but at this point in the season, if Johnny gets us to 3-6 tomorrow night and plays well, I could see him keeping the job. McCown always knew that was a possibility when he signed here so I'd certainly at this point let it keep going with Manziel if we win tomorrow night.
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^ Agree. It's a completely different situation at 2-6 than it was at 1-1. At this point, unless John completely shits the bed, I *think* it may be his team from here on out. I also agree with those that say we need to play Gilbert and Irving from here on out too.
We have a huge investment in those guys, and this season is now much like a game in which a team is blown out and it's the 4th qtr, it's time to play the kids and get them some experience, as well as see if they can compete at the NFL level......... Maybe they can, and maybe they can't, but I'd rather find out at 2-6.
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So, it's Johnny Football Manziel tomorrow. Well, I guess some section of the fan base will be happy, and it certainly won't hurt to get him more game time. Perhaps this is the start of the transition, especially if JFF plays well - we'll have a long week afterwards where he can assume full starting duty? McCown apparently said his ribs might take weeks to heal, so we might be in for a stretch of Johnny. If we're 3-8 when McCown heals, does he come back in?
I would think at this point in the season that if Johnny plays well tomorrow night, that he could very well be the starter again the next week against Pittsburgh. I agreed with the decision to go back to McCown after the Titans game but at this point in the season, if Johnny gets us to 3-6 tomorrow night and plays well, I could see him keeping the job. McCown always knew that was a possibility when he signed here so I'd certainly at this point let it keep going with Manziel if we win tomorrow night.
I would think at this point in the season that if Johnny plays well tomorrow night, that he could very well be the starter again the next week against Pittsburgh. I agreed with the decision to go back to McCown after the Titans game but at this point in the season, if Johnny gets us to 3-6 tomorrow night and plays well, I could see him keeping the job. McCown always knew that was a possibility when he signed here so I'd certainly at this point let it keep going with Manziel if we win tomorrow night.
McCown's a true professional, no problems there. He already heard Johnny chants this season I think and brushed them off and threw for 300 YDs.
He loves to play and wouldn't throw a fit about getting put in the #2 spot, unlike the Mallet/Hoyer fiasco. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, but I'm still expecting we lay a whooping on Cincy, it won't even be close
28-10 Browns, maybe 35-10.
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Tacosman needs to start putting tacos in his mouth and STFU.
next on the ignore list.....
dick.
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Well... the ratings for the game just went up...
Win or lose it certainly could now be JM the rest of the way... barring the urge to look at Austin at some point. I assume since McC is too hurt to go, Austin will be the #2 this week.
As for the rest of the positions...
On Offense as it is we are going to be forced into enough other changes at WR. I'm not sure I'd make additional discretionary changes this week unless chemistry with JM has shown up in practice. Thinking specifically about Bibbs here.
On D we're already expecting to see Campbell in place of Whitner and someone in place of Haden. I would think that someone would be Desir, but we shall see.
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Well... the ratings for the game just went up...
Win or lose it certainly could now be JM the rest of the way... barring the urge to look at Austin at some point. I assume since McC is too hurt to go, Austin will be the #2 this week.
As for the rest of the positions...
On Offense as it is we are going to be forced into enough other changes at WR. I'm not sure I'd make additional discretionary changes this week unless chemistry with JM has shown up in practice. Thinking specifically about Bibbs here.
On D we're already expecting to see Campbell in place of Whitner and someone in place of Haden. I would think that someone would be Desir, but we shall see.
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hope we play some defense this game...
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I am truly looking forward to some Johnny time! No I was a Derek Carr guy! Just wanna see
If Johnny can redeem himself at Cinncinippi
GO BROWNS!!!
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In case it hasn't been posted yet today.
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Also, fuck it. I love McCown and have been firmly in the "QB is not the problem" camp this year.
But, I am legitimately excited to see Manziel again.
Maybe that's their plan...give us Johnny every 6 games so that we're always excited to see him regardless of how he performs.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
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Also, fuck it. I love McCown and have been firmly in the "QB is not the problem" camp this year.
But, I am legitimately excited to see Manziel again.
Maybe that's their plan...give us Johnny every 6 games so that we're always excited to see him regardless of how he performs.
But, I am legitimately excited to see Manziel again.
Maybe that's their plan...give us Johnny every 6 games so that we're always excited to see him regardless of how he performs.
Ha!.....gotta say I didnt want him and really aint crazy about him and really dont have any faith or confidence in him,
But, I sure do get excited every single time hes gonna play.....yep.....
Hoping...again.....for some big things.....
Hey....McCown has been good, but always seems one or 2 plays away from winning.....Maybe Johnny will pull those 2 extra wow plays outta his ass and win us one.....
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Tacosman needs to start putting tacos in his mouth and STFU.
next on the ignore list.....
dick.
Tacosman needs to start putting tacos in his mouth and STFU.
next on the ignore list.....
dick.
SShhhh. Taco is finally getting time to get his inflatable JM Doll out of his front yard from Hallow Weenie.. Trick or Treat is every game JM starts.. could be in his LR by gametime. Get your PopCorn Ready!!
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Well... the ratings for the game just went up...
Win or lose it certainly could now be JM the rest of the way... barring the urge to look at Austin at some point. I assume since McC is too hurt to go, Austin will be the #2 this week.
As for the rest of the positions...
On Offense as it is we are going to be forced into enough other changes at WR. I'm not sure I'd make additional discretionary changes this week unless chemistry with JM has shown up in practice. Thinking specifically about Bibbs here.
On D we're already expecting to see Campbell in place of Whitner and someone in place of Haden. I would think that someone would be Desir, but we shall see.
Well... the ratings for the game just went up...
Win or lose it certainly could now be JM the rest of the way... barring the urge to look at Austin at some point. I assume since McC is too hurt to go, Austin will be the #2 this week.
As for the rest of the positions...
On Offense as it is we are going to be forced into enough other changes at WR. I'm not sure I'd make additional discretionary changes this week unless chemistry with JM has shown up in practice. Thinking specifically about Bibbs here.
On D we're already expecting to see Campbell in place of Whitner and someone in place of Haden. I would think that someone would be Desir, but we shall see.
Well, Bowe is pretty much forced to play Thursday with Hawkins and Hartline in Concussion Protocol.
Not sure if any other WR's are out or not.
Housler (TE) was put on IR, so we may finally get to see Bibbs as well.
There's been some weird shit going on with the Roster as far as who's active and who's not - could be part of our Dumpster plan . . .
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