Hoping I Wake Up to Pettine, O'Neil, and Farmer Fired
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The lack of awareness around here by some of the current state of the nfl and coaching/organizational development is prominent. The reality is that coaches with no juice to begin with(meaning no proven track record of success previously and not golden boy status coming in) get fired after year 2 if:
1) the team has a poor record(especially two losing records in a row)
2) there isn't a strong trend in the right direction(and especially if they appear to be getting worse)
That's just reality. That's not a browns thing; that's an NFL thing. All this "well we'll making some coaching changes and Oneil will be fired and that may straighten things out going into year 3" stuff is delusional and fantasy. Yes, Oneil will be fired. Because the whole damn lot of coaches will be shipped out; that usually happens when a new head coach comes in. But someone like Mike Pettine, after two whole years and having likely lost like 15-16 of his last 22 games, will not get a year 3. That's just not the way the nfl works today or in the last decade.
The real question is whether Farmer is gone too. The answer is I don't know. If I had to guess I would imagine he gets another year. Bad gms typically get a little longer than bad hcs.
But all this bullshit about how Pettine is going to get the luxury of tweaking at the coordinator position or a few position coaches is just absurd. Mike Pettine doesnt have the juice to get that Luxury. People like John Harbaugh get that luxury. People like Mike Pettine just get fired, and a new hc comes in and brings their people.
But all this bullshit about how Pettine is going to get the luxury of tweaking at the coordinator position or a few position coaches is just absurd. Mike Pettine doesnt have the juice to get that Luxury. People like John Harbaugh get that luxury. People like Mike Pettine just get fired, and a new hc comes in and brings their people.
John Harbaugh was a nothing before the Ravens hired him. 9 years as a special teams coach and then a defensive backs coach. He didn't have a long history of HC before he was hired.
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The lack of awareness around here by some of the current state of the nfl and coaching/organizational development is prominent. The reality is that coaches with no juice to begin with(meaning no proven track record of success previously and not golden boy status coming in) get fired after year 2 if:
1) the team has a poor record(especially two losing records in a row)
2) there isn't a strong trend in the right direction(and especially if they appear to be getting worse)
That's just reality. That's not a browns thing; that's an NFL thing. All this "well we'll making some coaching changes and Oneil will be fired and that may straighten things out going into year 3" stuff is delusional and fantasy. Yes, Oneil will be fired. Because the whole damn lot of coaches will be shipped out; that usually happens when a new head coach comes in. But someone like Mike Pettine, after two whole years and having likely lost like 15-16 of his last 22 games, will not get a year 3. That's just not the way the nfl works today or in the last decade.
The real question is whether Farmer is gone too. The answer is I don't know. If I had to guess I would imagine he gets another year. Bad gms typically get a little longer than bad hcs.
But all this bullshit about how Pettine is going to get the luxury of tweaking at the coordinator position or a few position coaches is just absurd. Mike Pettine doesnt have the juice to get that Luxury. People like John Harbaugh get that luxury. People like Mike Pettine just get fired, and a new hc comes in and brings their people.
The lack of awareness around here by some of the current state of the nfl and coaching/organizational development is prominent. The reality is that coaches with no juice to begin with(meaning no proven track record of success previously and not golden boy status coming in) get fired after year 2 if:
1) the team has a poor record(especially two losing records in a row)
2) there isn't a strong trend in the right direction(and especially if they appear to be getting worse)
That's just reality. That's not a browns thing; that's an NFL thing. All this "well we'll making some coaching changes and Oneil will be fired and that may straighten things out going into year 3" stuff is delusional and fantasy. Yes, Oneil will be fired. Because the whole damn lot of coaches will be shipped out; that usually happens when a new head coach comes in. But someone like Mike Pettine, after two whole years and having likely lost like 15-16 of his last 22 games, will not get a year 3. That's just not the way the nfl works today or in the last decade.
The real question is whether Farmer is gone too. The answer is I don't know. If I had to guess I would imagine he gets another year. Bad gms typically get a little longer than bad hcs.
But all this bullshit about how Pettine is going to get the luxury of tweaking at the coordinator position or a few position coaches is just absurd. Mike Pettine doesnt have the juice to get that Luxury. People like John Harbaugh get that luxury. People like Mike Pettine just get fired, and a new hc comes in and brings their people.
i'll bet you right now that pettine doesn't get axed after the year.
why the 3 day weekend sabbatical where haslam, farmer and pettine before the season? haslam is not a lerner. i think he understands business. you don't just make money overnite by firing and hiring everytime something trends downward. you, me and grandma moses could be the finest football minds in the history of football but with no chess pieces how do you play the game? not trying to tell everyone how to feel and not be frustrated because, believe me, i'm frustrated too. but as bbed had said in another thread.....how about we try something new (cuz what we've been doing since the 90s has worked so well....) and keep a coaching staff and GM longer than most of us take to learn how to drool.
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The lack of awareness around here by some of the current state of the nfl and coaching/organizational development is prominent. The reality is that coaches with no juice to begin with(meaning no proven track record of success previously and not golden boy status coming in) get fired after year 2 if:
1) the team has a poor record(especially two losing records in a row)
2) there isn't a strong trend in the right direction(and especially if they appear to be getting worse)
That's just reality. That's not a browns thing; that's an NFL thing. All this "well we'll making some coaching changes and Oneil will be fired and that may straighten things out going into year 3" stuff is delusional and fantasy. Yes, Oneil will be fired. Because the whole damn lot of coaches will be shipped out; that usually happens when a new head coach comes in. But someone like Mike Pettine, after two whole years and having likely lost like 15-16 of his last 22 games, will not get a year 3. That's just not the way the nfl works today or in the last decade.
The real question is whether Farmer is gone too. The answer is I don't know. If I had to guess I would imagine he gets another year. Bad gms typically get a little longer than bad hcs.
But all this bullshit about how Pettine is going to get the luxury of tweaking at the coordinator position or a few position coaches is just absurd. Mike Pettine doesnt have the juice to get that Luxury. People like John Harbaugh get that luxury. People like Mike Pettine just get fired, and a new hc comes in and brings their people.
i'll bet you right now that pettine doesn't get axed after the year.
why the 3 day weekend sabbatical where haslam, farmer and pettine before the season? haslam is not a lerner. i think he understands business. you don't just make money overnite by firing and hiring everytime something trends downward. you, me and grandma moses could be the finest football minds in the history of football but with no chess pieces how do you play the game? not trying to tell everyone how to feel and not be frustrated because, believe me, i'm frustrated too. but as bbed had said in another thread.....how about we try something new (cuz what we've been doing since the 90s has worked so well....) and keep a coaching staff and GM longer than most of us take to learn how to drool.
i'll bet you right now that pettine doesn't get axed after the year.
why the 3 day weekend sabbatical where haslam, farmer and pettine before the season? haslam is not a lerner. i think he understands business. you don't just make money overnite by firing and hiring everytime something trends downward. you, me and grandma moses could be the finest football minds in the history of football but with no chess pieces how do you play the game? not trying to tell everyone how to feel and not be frustrated because, believe me, i'm frustrated too. but as bbed had said in another thread.....how about we try something new (cuz what we've been doing since the 90s has worked so well....) and keep a coaching staff and GM longer than most of us take to learn how to drool.
exactly.....firing everyone every two years hasn't worked so far so why not try something different. If we fire everyone and start over...its not like you're going to get some big name guy (Gruden, Cowher, Dungy and i wouldn't want any of them) to come here anyways. So you're hiring another coordinator who is the next big thing but no clue if he can be a head coach so how long does that guy get?
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i'll bet you right now that pettine doesn't get axed after the year.
why the 3 day weekend sabbatical where haslam, farmer and pettine before the season? haslam is not a lerner. i think he understands business. you don't just make money overnite by firing and hiring everytime something trends downward. you, me and grandma moses could be the finest football minds in the history of football but with no chess pieces how do you play the game? not trying to tell everyone how to feel and not be frustrated because, believe me, i'm frustrated too. but as bbed had said in another thread.....how about we try something new (cuz what we've been doing since the 90s has worked so well....) and keep a coaching staff and GM longer than most of us take to learn how to drool.
exactly.....firing everyone every two years hasn't worked so far so why not try something different. If we fire everyone and start over...its not like you're going to get some big name guy (Gruden, Cowher, Dungy and i wouldn't want any of them) to come here anyways. So you're hiring another coordinator who is the next big thing but no clue if he can be a head coach so how long does that guy get?
exactly.....firing everyone every two years hasn't worked so far so why not try something different. If we fire everyone and start over...its not like you're going to get some big name guy (Gruden, Cowher, Dungy and i wouldn't want any of them) to come here anyways. So you're hiring another coordinator who is the next big thing but no clue if he can be a head coach so how long does that guy get?
PLUS the new guys then 'have to get the guys that fit my system' thing.
working great for kelly right now in philly. and he WAS that next big thing.
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everybody knows it only takes a year to turn a bottom feeder around.....happens all the time....Pettines already had too much time, geez...
Farmer could have EASILY replaced the 47 average players on last years roster....HELLOOOOO......thats why we have a draft and free agency....Cmon....
All he needed to do was draft 3-4 really good LB's.....add a Franchise QB......sign a few 6-5" receivers with great hands....upgrade the OL and DL.....Then add a couple top quality(EXPERIENCED) coordinators and we are there......BAM!
And, now, a year and one half in....what has he done?.....HA!.....FIRE HIM!
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But all this bullshit about how Pettine is going to get the luxury of tweaking at the coordinator position or a few position coaches is just absurd. Mike Pettine doesnt have the juice to get that Luxury. People like John Harbaugh get that luxury. People like Mike Pettine just get fired, and a new hc comes in and brings their people.
John Harbaugh was a nothing before the Ravens hired him. 9 years as a special teams coach and then a defensive backs coach. He didn't have a long history of HC before he was hired.
John Harbaugh was a nothing before the Ravens hired him. 9 years as a special teams coach and then a defensive backs coach. He didn't have a long history of HC before he was hired.
you miss the point. Harbaugh *was* nothing. Then he developed a track record- multiple playoff appearances and wins. *Then* after that track record he got the luxury of being able to make tweaks with coaches and stuff(as they did) years into his tenure when things got bumpy...and it paid off.
But if harbaugh never had that success before...and just flat out sucked his entire first two years(and they were going in the wrong direction) as opposed to back to back playoffs, he wouldnt have gotten to tweak position coaches and an OC. His ass would have been gone.
Thats the difference. Pettine is a nobody who has had two years now and NO track record, no success, no juice, etc....he doesnt get the benefit of the doubt to tweak things. Yeah Oneil will get fired too....because Mike Pettine will get fired and that means Oneil is also fired.
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i'll bet you right now that pettine doesn't get axed after the year.
why the 3 day weekend sabbatical where haslam, farmer and pettine before the season? haslam is not a lerner. i think he understands business. you don't just make money overnite by firing and hiring everytime something trends downward. you, me and grandma moses could be the finest football minds in the history of football but with no chess pieces how do you play the game? not trying to tell everyone how to feel and not be frustrated because, believe me, i'm frustrated too. but as bbed had said in another thread.....how about we try something new (cuz what we've been doing since the 90s has worked so well....) and keep a coaching staff and GM longer than most of us take to learn how to drool.
exactly.....firing everyone every two years hasn't worked so far so why not try something different. If we fire everyone and start over...its not like you're going to get some big name guy (Gruden, Cowher, Dungy and i wouldn't want any of them) to come here anyways. So you're hiring another coordinator who is the next big thing but no clue if he can be a head coach so how long does that guy get?
exactly.....firing everyone every two years hasn't worked so far so why not try something different. If we fire everyone and start over...its not like you're going to get some big name guy (Gruden, Cowher, Dungy and i wouldn't want any of them) to come here anyways. So you're hiring another coordinator who is the next big thing but no clue if he can be a head coach so how long does that guy get?
there are some good coordinators out there. I love what sean mcdermott is doing. He'd be a great choice.
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everybody knows it only takes a year to turn a bottom feeder around.....happens all the time....Pettines already had too much time, geez...
Farmer could have EASILY replaced the 47 average players on last years roster....HELLOOOOO......thats why we have a draft and free agency....Cmon....
All he needed to do was draft 3-4 really good LB's.....add a Franchise QB......sign a few 6-5" receivers with great hands....upgrade the OL and DL.....Then add a couple top quality(EXPERIENCED) coordinators and we are there......BAM!
And, now, a year and one half in....what has he done?.....HA!.....FIRE HIM!
everybody knows it only takes a year to turn a bottom feeder around.....happens all the time....Pettines already had too much time, geez...
Farmer could have EASILY replaced the 47 average players on last years roster....HELLOOOOO......thats why we have a draft and free agency....Cmon....
All he needed to do was draft 3-4 really good LB's.....add a Franchise QB......sign a few 6-5" receivers with great hands....upgrade the OL and DL.....Then add a couple top quality(EXPERIENCED) coordinators and we are there......BAM!
And, now, a year and one half in....what has he done?.....HA!.....FIRE HIM!
you dont get it. It does only take two years to turn things around in this league. Look at all the good teams(that arent led by Tom Brady or Aaron rodgers or whatever...thats another issue). How many years did it take them to go from being bad to good....when they made that transition? (hint: it's not a 5 year gradual process in most cases).....
the nfl is a league with TONS of player turnover. Look at the average prime career length of non-qb players....even starters. That is the reason why a team can be 5-11 and going nowhere one year and then 9-7 the next and ticking upwards and then 11-5/12-4 the next and true contenders.....
Pettine took over a bad team going nowhere. He had a mediocre first year that ended on a bad note. He is having a much worse second year that is going in the wrong direction. If this continues, that would be 2 whole years which in the nfl is a reasonable amount of time now. Especially if there is no major improvement the second half of the year.
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There is only one person that needs to leave this team ASAP, Johnny Manziel. He needs to go to a real coach who knows how to use a 6' running QB and that would be as Wilson's backup. He would fit just fine with a coach who understands what he has and be a fine player to go to in the event Wilson went down. At least they are not afraid to design an offense around a player rather than make a statue out of runner. Fuck Pettine.
There is only one person that needs to leave this team ASAP, Johnny Manziel. He needs to go to a real coach who knows how to use a 6' running QB and that would be as Wilson's backup. He would fit just fine with a coach who understands what he has and be a fine player to go to in the event Wilson went down. At least they are not afraid to design an offense around a player rather than make a statue out of runner. Fuck Pettine.
I never dreamed I would agree with something like this but now I do. Rather than use his strengths they are putting him in a position he can't possibly succeed in.
WHY FUCKING DRAFT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE
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There is only one person that needs to leave this team ASAP, Johnny Manziel. He needs to go to a real coach who knows how to use a 6' running QB and that would be as Wilson's backup. He would fit just fine with a coach who understands what he has and be a fine player to go to in the event Wilson went down. At least they are not afraid to design an offense around a player rather than make a statue out of runner. Fuck Pettine.
I never dreamed I would agree with something like this but now I do. Rather than use his strengths they are putting him in a position he can't possibly succeed in.
WHY FUCKING DRAFT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE
I never dreamed I would agree with something like this but now I do. Rather than use his strengths they are putting him in a position he can't possibly succeed in.
WHY FUCKING DRAFT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE
Because Jimmeh wanted to make a splash like Jerry Jones and sell tickets.
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There is only one person that needs to leave this team ASAP, Johnny Manziel. He needs to go to a real coach who knows how to use a 6' running QB and that would be as Wilson's backup. He would fit just fine with a coach who understands what he has and be a fine player to go to in the event Wilson went down. At least they are not afraid to design an offense around a player rather than make a statue out of runner. Fuck Pettine.
I never dreamed I would agree with something like this but now I do. Rather than use his strengths they are putting him in a position he can't possibly succeed in.
WHY FUCKING DRAFT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE
WHY FUCKING DRAFT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE
I think the "hope" was that he would learn how to play the NFL game....like all good QB's do......
And once he learned the basics(like playing from the pocket), he would have the added skills of being elusive or stretching the plays when needed....ala Ben R or Russell Wilson....
Problem is that he hasnt learned the basics yet.....and the NFL is too good to just let him run around slinging the football
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WHY FUCKING DRAFT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE
I think the "hope" was that he would learn how to play the NFL game....like all good QB's do......
And once he learned the basics(like playing from the pocket), he would have the added skills of being elusive or stretching the plays when needed....ala Ben R or Russell Wilson....
Problem is that he hasnt learned the basics yet.....and the NFL is too good to just let him run around slinging the football
I think the "hope" was that he would learn how to play the NFL game....like all good QB's do......
And once he learned the basics(like playing from the pocket), he would have the added skills of being elusive or stretching the plays when needed....ala Ben R or Russell Wilson....
Problem is that he hasnt learned the basics yet.....and the NFL is too good to just let him run around slinging the football
I don't see how short QB can see short receivers from the pocket. If they want him to sit in there and throw the ball then why have they given him midgets? It just doesn't make any sense.
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I never dreamed I would agree with something like this but now I do. Rather than use his strengths they are putting him in a position he can't possibly succeed in.
WHY FUCKING DRAFT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE
Because Jimmeh wanted to make a splash like Jerry Jones and sell tickets.
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John Harbaugh was a nothing before the Ravens hired him. 9 years as a special teams coach and then a defensive backs coach. He didn't have a long history of HC before he was hired.
you miss the point. Harbaugh *was* nothing. Then he developed a track record- multiple playoff appearances and wins. *Then* after that track record he got the luxury of being able to make tweaks with coaches and stuff(as they did) years into his tenure when things got bumpy...and it paid off.
But if harbaugh never had that success before...and just flat out sucked his entire first two years(and they were going in the wrong direction) as opposed to back to back playoffs, he wouldnt have gotten to tweak position coaches and an OC. His ass would have been gone.
Thats the difference. Pettine is a nobody who has had two years now and NO track record, no success, no juice, etc....he doesnt get the benefit of the doubt to tweak things. Yeah Oneil will get fired too....because Mike Pettine will get fired and that means Oneil is also fired.
You're forgetting that Hairball actually has a competent GM drafting guys with NFL talent.you miss the point. Harbaugh *was* nothing. Then he developed a track record- multiple playoff appearances and wins. *Then* after that track record he got the luxury of being able to make tweaks with coaches and stuff(as they did) years into his tenure when things got bumpy...and it paid off.
But if harbaugh never had that success before...and just flat out sucked his entire first two years(and they were going in the wrong direction) as opposed to back to back playoffs, he wouldnt have gotten to tweak position coaches and an OC. His ass would have been gone.
Thats the difference. Pettine is a nobody who has had two years now and NO track record, no success, no juice, etc....he doesnt get the benefit of the doubt to tweak things. Yeah Oneil will get fired too....because Mike Pettine will get fired and that means Oneil is also fired.
Take his talent away (like the injuries have done this year) lo and behold they now have a W-L record just like the Browns.
I wonder if the fans in Baltimore want his ass on a platter too?
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I think the "hope" was that he would learn how to play the NFL game....like all good QB's do......
And once he learned the basics(like playing from the pocket), he would have the added skills of being elusive or stretching the plays when needed....ala Ben R or Russell Wilson....
Problem is that he hasnt learned the basics yet.....and the NFL is too good to just let him run around slinging the football
I don't see how short QB can see short receivers from the pocket. If they want him to sit in there and throw the ball then why have they given him midgets? It just doesn't make any sense.
I don't see how short QB can see short receivers from the pocket. If they want him to sit in there and throw the ball then why have they given him midgets? It just doesn't make any sense.
It makes sense.....I dont think they are giving "him" anything...he is the back up, after all.....
and that is part of the problem....that he seems to need all kinds of "special considerations" to succeed in the NFL....so, for him to excel we need an offense designed for him....tall receivers he can see....etc....
Last year, they tried a separate O for him and it failed miserably....and, considering that teams all end up using their back ups etc, they will now need 2 offenses or 2 Johnnys?.....and everyone else on the team must learn both?....
I say you dont adapt and design your whole team around a guy who cant play basic NFL football or use the same schemes as the rest of the team.....esp one who burned a whole year, needs rehab and now plays "ok" at best.....
THAT would make no sense....
Smarter to find a QB who fits the team, instead of fitting your team to a very questionable QB....
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There is only one person that needs to leave this team ASAP, Johnny Manziel. He needs to go to a real coach who knows how to use a 6' running QB and that would be as Wilson's backup. He would fit just fine with a coach who understands what he has and be a fine player to go to in the event Wilson went down. At least they are not afraid to design an offense around a player rather than make a statue out of runner. Fuck Pettine.
But there were play calls with in the Offense that could have been selected...
May seem like a bit of Friday morning quarterbacking, but on our 1st and goal from the 4 I was thinking PAP bootleg... with the blitz on it'd been perfect.
There is only one person that needs to leave this team ASAP, Johnny Manziel. He needs to go to a real coach who knows how to use a 6' running QB and that would be as Wilson's backup. He would fit just fine with a coach who understands what he has and be a fine player to go to in the event Wilson went down. At least they are not afraid to design an offense around a player rather than make a statue out of runner. Fuck Pettine.
But seeing as you are now a Browns fan, what would you do?
Sweeping Pittsburgh and Baltimore is what I want out of 2015.
... add splitting with Cinci and I'm down...
Johnson, Housler and Dray can't block at the NFL level, and they make up for it by not being able to catch. Every play any of those 3 is on the field is a play the team admits will fail.
Dray is actually still our best blocking TE... not that that is a very high bar.
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The lack of awareness around here by some of the current state of the nfl and coaching/organizational development is prominent. The reality is that coaches with no juice to begin with(meaning no proven track record of success previously and not golden boy status coming in) get fired after year 2 if:
1) the team has a poor record(especially two losing records in a row)
2) there isn't a strong trend in the right direction(and especially if they appear to be getting worse)
That's just reality. That's not a browns thing; that's an NFL thing. All this "well we'll making some coaching changes and Oneil will be fired and that may straighten things out going into year 3" stuff is delusional and fantasy. Yes, Oneil will be fired. Because the whole damn lot of coaches will be shipped out; that usually happens when a new head coach comes in. But someone like Mike Pettine, after two whole years and having likely lost like 15-16 of his last 22 games, will not get a year 3. That's just not the way the nfl works today or in the last decade.
The real question is whether Farmer is gone too. The answer is I don't know. If I had to guess I would imagine he gets another year. Bad gms typically get a little longer than bad hcs.
But all this bullshit about how Pettine is going to get the luxury of tweaking at the coordinator position or a few position coaches is just absurd. Mike Pettine doesnt have the juice to get that Luxury. People like John Harbaugh get that luxury. People like Mike Pettine just get fired, and a new hc comes in and brings their people.
The lack of awareness around here by some of the current state of the nfl and coaching/organizational development is prominent.
Yet for all your posts you've made you've not been able to elevate us a lick. Why is that? Maybe because you have never backed up your assertions with anything more than hand waiving?
I don't see how short QB can see short receivers from the pocket. If they want him to sit in there and throw the ball then why have they given him midgets? It just doesn't make any sense.
I have the answer.... BIKE FLAGS!
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everybody knows it only takes a year to turn a bottom feeder around.....happens all the time....Pettines already had too much time, geez...
Farmer could have EASILY replaced the 47 average players on last years roster....HELLOOOOO......thats why we have a draft and free agency....Cmon....
All he needed to do was draft 3-4 really good LB's.....add a Franchise QB......sign a few 6-5" receivers with great hands....upgrade the OL and DL.....Then add a couple top quality(EXPERIENCED) coordinators and we are there......BAM!
And, now, a year and one half in....what has he done?.....HA!.....FIRE HIM!
you dont get it. It does only take two years to turn things around in this league. Look at all the good teams(that arent led by Tom Brady or Aaron rodgers or whatever...thats another issue). How many years did it take them to go from being bad to good....when they made that transition? (hint: it's not a 5 year gradual process in most cases).....
the nfl is a league with TONS of player turnover. Look at the average prime career length of non-qb players....even starters. That is the reason why a team can be 5-11 and going nowhere one year and then 9-7 the next and ticking upwards and then 11-5/12-4 the next and true contenders.....
Pettine took over a bad team going nowhere. He had a mediocre first year that ended on a bad note. He is having a much worse second year that is going in the wrong direction. If this continues, that would be 2 whole years which in the nfl is a reasonable amount of time now. Especially if there is no major improvement the second half of the year.
you dont get it. It does only take two years to turn things around in this league. Look at all the good teams(that arent led by Tom Brady or Aaron rodgers or whatever...thats another issue). How many years did it take them to go from being bad to good....when they made that transition? (hint: it's not a 5 year gradual process in most cases).....
the nfl is a league with TONS of player turnover. Look at the average prime career length of non-qb players....even starters. That is the reason why a team can be 5-11 and going nowhere one year and then 9-7 the next and ticking upwards and then 11-5/12-4 the next and true contenders.....
Pettine took over a bad team going nowhere. He had a mediocre first year that ended on a bad note. He is having a much worse second year that is going in the wrong direction. If this continues, that would be 2 whole years which in the nfl is a reasonable amount of time now. Especially if there is no major improvement the second half of the year.
that is just it...the landscape in the nfl has changed. Especially with the inception of free agency. It is a win now or hit the road mentality. When you see a team like the raiders and bucs who were worse than us last yr making very nice strides, fans notice and wonder what the frig is up with this team. We can't get anything right. For this team, its been bad drafting, incredibly bad free agency pickups, and not so good coaching. Someone is responsible. It seems to be never ending...
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You're forgetting that Hairball actually has a competent GM drafting guys with NFL talent.you miss the point. Harbaugh *was* nothing. Then he developed a track record- multiple playoff appearances and wins. *Then* after that track record he got the luxury of being able to make tweaks with coaches and stuff(as they did) years into his tenure when things got bumpy...and it paid off.
But if harbaugh never had that success before...and just flat out sucked his entire first two years(and they were going in the wrong direction) as opposed to back to back playoffs, he wouldnt have gotten to tweak position coaches and an OC. His ass would have been gone.
Thats the difference. Pettine is a nobody who has had two years now and NO track record, no success, no juice, etc....he doesnt get the benefit of the doubt to tweak things. Yeah Oneil will get fired too....because Mike Pettine will get fired and that means Oneil is also fired.
Take his talent away (like the injuries have done this year) lo and behold they now have a W-L record just like the Browns.
I wonder if the fans in Baltimore want his ass on a platter too?
You're forgetting that Hairball actually has a competent GM drafting guys with NFL talent.
Take his talent away (like the injuries have done this year) lo and behold they now have a W-L record just like the Browns.
I wonder if the fans in Baltimore want his ass on a platter too?
I'm sure they don't, or they shouldn't. They will turn it around. Like you say, they have a great gm and have a superbowl winning coach. If this were the browns, i 'd probably just shake it off for this season because i know it won't be like this every single friggin yr like we have here...
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