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  • @hoorta said:

    🙂 Bill made his share of mistakes in Cleveland- but learned from them. The worst was dumping the hometown hero Bernie- when he only had Todd Philcox to replace him.

    I'm old enough to remember that famous bedsheet at the stadium. "JUMP ART, AND LAND ON BILL".

    Bill really didn't learn anything.. He lucked out on a 6th round draft pick named Tom Brady.. When Brady hangs up his cleats.. Bill will go back to being the nincompoop he always was...

    @nickers said:

    Bill really didn't learn anything.. He lucked out on a 6th round draft pick named Tom Brady.. When Brady hangs up his cleats.. Bill will go back to being the nincompoop he always was...

    The year Brady went out his backup went to the pro bowl
  • @nickers said:

    Bill really didn't learn anything.. He lucked out on a 6th round draft pick named Tom Brady.. When Brady hangs up his cleats.. Bill will go back to being the nincompoop he always was...

    The year Brady went out his backup went to the pro bowl

    @comeonman said:

    The year Brady went out his backup went to the pro bowl

    And they won 10 or 11 games as I recall but missed out on the playoffs.

  • 11-5 and missed out on the playoffs as dolphins won the division by a tiebreaker. That was Cassels 1 good yr kind of like we had Anderson's 1 good year in 2007.

  • @mudfly said:

    Folks pretty much hated Bill when he was here....always calling for his head and pretty loud too....

    He was an unknown D coordinator and folks didnt like his lack of fire, personality or stubborn ways......made a LOT of bad choices...bad drafts....and bad calls.....Metcalf up the middle....10 times every game.....for -3 yards.....etc

    and then just mumbling some shit about execution and it "should work" etc etc......and the way he just gave his "buddy" the DB coaching job....

    So many parallels to Pettine, its shocking.....

    Awesome. So your saying Pett will be the next elite head coach in the NFL

    @comeonman said:

    Awesome. So your saying Pett will be the next elite head coach in the NFL

    No, not really.....Im saying we will never know, based upon how we tried to run Bill outta town for exactly the same reasons we want Pettine and Farmer gone...

    And...."IF" Pettine ever becomes a great coach, it will be somewhere else, because we wont wait for him to develop(like Billy)....

    Knowing this, we must hire a proven winner(which will never happen) or we must develop one(which we will never wait for)....

    So....the way things go here, the only hope we have of EVER scoring a great coach is if we sign a no namer who is instantly great and is near perfect from day one.....

  • @comeonman said:

    Awesome. So your saying Pett will be the next elite head coach in the NFL

    No, not really.....Im saying we will never know, based upon how we tried to run Bill outta town for exactly the same reasons we want Pettine and Farmer gone...

    And...."IF" Pettine ever becomes a great coach, it will be somewhere else, because we wont wait for him to develop(like Billy)....

    Knowing this, we must hire a proven winner(which will never happen) or we must develop one(which we will never wait for)....

    So....the way things go here, the only hope we have of EVER scoring a great coach is if we sign a no namer who is instantly great and is near perfect from day one.....

    @mudfly said:

    So....the way things go here, the only hope we have of EVER scoring a great coach is if we sign a no namer who is instantly great and is near perfect from day one.....

    For a lot of Browns fans this is their reality, and honestly believe it's going to happen.

  • I wasnt impressed with it the first time it aired. Have no desire to ever watch it again.

  • @douche-nozzle said:

    It seems Browns fans have been calling for the head coach's head since Rutigliano was fired. I think they wake up, and if the Browns didn't win the SuperBowl overnight, they want the head coach fired:)

    Marty was a well liked coach, but he and Art couldn't agree on the whole "play calling is overrated" issue when our OC Lindy Infante left for a HC job.

  • I saw that last year. It shows a young Bill Bellicheck who hired Polian, Mangini and a host of others who went on to become GMs and head coaches. It was depressing

  • @douche-nozzle said:

    It seems Browns fans have been calling for the head coach's head since Rutigliano was fired. I think they wake up, and if the Browns didn't win the SuperBowl overnight, they want the head coach fired:)

    Marty was a well liked coach, but he and Art couldn't agree on the whole "play calling is overrated" issue when our OC Lindy Infante left for a HC job.

    @canton-dawg said:

    Marty was a well liked coach, but he and Art couldn't agree on the whole "play calling is overrated" issue when our OC Lindy Infante left for a HC job.

    @douche-nozzle said:

    Very true but I distinctly remember how Browns fans wanted Marty gone after a few years.

    Marty was liked until "the drive".....THEN, it became the same thing we are hearing now.....

    he sucks.....too conservative.....good enough to get to the dance, but not win it...a defensive coach whose team cant stop a drive....prevent defenses prevent wins......etc etc etc....

    And this was right after we just went to the AFC Championship.....and after the fumble???...it got worse....

  • This programme is the reason I fell in love with the Browns, I was an NFL fan without a team for quite a few years before I saw this.