Pettine, Not Farmer, To Blame?

Tim Couch Pulls Out

http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1609951-quotes-to-note-confidant-within-browns-speak

It's behind a paywall, but the gist of it is that:

- Manziel was not Pettine's guy, and Pettine refuses to give him a chance to succeed in practice or in games, despite both the QB coach and Flip praising Manziel

- Gilbert WAS a Pettine guy, but then Pettine grew tired of his immaturity and stopped giving him reps.

- Pettine did not like the Bowe acquisition and refuses to play him to spite Farmer.

- Pettine does not like Mingo and refuses to play him and instead plays Orchard because it's HIS guy

- Pettine is in a win-now mentality and isn't even attempting to develop the young talent that he didn't hand pick

- Haslam is aware of this and is getting pissed

If that's the case, I honestly hope we lose and Pettine gets the stinky boot during the bye. That's high school ball shit and has no place in the NFL.

And, sadly, I'm starting to think its true. OBR isn't known for posting sensationalist bullshit just for clicks, especially if it's behind a paywall.

bringbackbrownie2

I agree to get rid of him if true. But that's a big "IF." Defilipo could be promoted to head coach to build on the offense and bring in a new defensive mind. Still not sure how this would make Farmer look any better...

bbedward

@bringbackbrownie2 said:
I agree to get rid of him if true. But that's a big "IF." Defilipo could be promoted to head coach to build on the offense and bring in a new defensive mind. Still not sure how this would make Farmer look any better...

DeFilippo going from a position coach to a head coach in 2 years seems awfully risky.

It's likely the whole staff would be turned over except for Tabor as usual.

Maybe Tabor should just be head coach he's seen a few do the job now.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@bringbackbrownie2 said:
I agree to get rid of him if true. But that's a big "IF." Defilipo could be promoted to head coach to build on the offense and bring in a new defensive mind. Still not sure how this would make Farmer look any better...

Well, the reasoning behind that is then Farmer becomes absolved of the Gilbert pick and, further, the under utilization of Bowe.

While it doesn't absolve him of Manziel, it does at least put some of the blame of Pettine for not giving Manziel any real opportunity to grow.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@bbedward said:

DeFilippo going from a position coach to a head coach in 2 years seems awfully risky.

It's likely the whole staff would be turned over except for Tabor as usual.

It would be risky, but Flip is the only coach on this staff to be excited about.

I'd rather take the risk of him failing at HC than to risk losing him and having to install yet another offense.

bbedward

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

It would be risky, but Flip is the only coach on this staff to be excited about.

I'd rather take the risk of him failing at HC than to risk losing him and having to install yet another offense.

It sucks because this is a pretty reliable source, but I'm starting to think we're heading for another head coach.

If we do get rid of pettine, I suspect Farmer stays and picks his own coach - Flip would likely be interviewed but I have a hard time seeing him being a top candidate, despite some the good stuff he's done.

thenew23

Plenty of coaches to choose from, but it'd probably another 2-year reset because nobody we could get would be experienced enough to be able to maximize our talent in a one-year turnaround... Unless we got a veteran retread along the same lines as a Reed, Fox, Arians, DelRio, or Fisher OR got lucky with a guy like Bowles or Quinn...

Canton Dawg

Unless the Browns happen to get 6 or 7 players to Honolulu at season's end, the strongest stench on this team is coming from Farmer

J GLASGO

Pettine could be gone tomorrow,and the team would probably improve. This guy is a moron.Refuses to let his play players play to their strengths.Insists on them playing to his scheme. Defensive minded,yet our defense sucks,and isconfused on the field.This guy is a tool! Good riddance!!

tiamat63

The argument about Johnny is moot. He didn't beat out McCown in the off season and hasn't yet shown to be the most consistent QB on roster.

ramblin

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny........Johnny. I honestly can't wait to be done hearing about Manziel. He has yet to be anything but mediocre at best at any aspect of his job, yet all we hear is Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny.......Johnny. I would be very surprised if any credible, reputable coach is going to be willing to stake his employment on Manziel, so we will be looking at another 8th, 9th choice, maybe not even on the wish list coach.

Kvoethe

Tony Dungy in the wings...

calfoxwc

I would replace Farmer now, with Bernie Kosar yesterday.

And Pettine - if he won't replace Oneil with a guy with an

INTELLIGENT defense perspective....

Haslam has to get it right one of these days.

I think Flip stays.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@canton-dawg said:
Unless the Browns happen to get 6 or 7 players to Honolulu at season's end, the strongest stench on this team is coming from Farmer

If we fail to get the same amount of players to the Pro Bowl that we got two years ago, even if those players are still on our team, wouldn't that be indicative of poor coaching?

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@tiamat63 said:
The argument about Johnny is moot. He didn't beat out McCown in the off season and hasn't yet shown to be the most consistent QB on roster.

I agree. But it would be nice if he got more than scout team reps which, according to this article, is all he is and has been getting.

tiamat63

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I agree. But it would be nice if he got more than scout team reps which, according to this article, is all he is and has been getting.

If only it were true.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@tiamat63 said:
If only it were true.

They have a much higher rate of success with things like this than other "sources". If I chose to believe something, it would be this.

It's better than the alternative - every single person on our staff is a bumbling pile of shit.

cvcanedy

@kvoethe said:
Tony Dungy in the wings...

I don't think he coaches again

Mark O

@kvoethe said:
Tony Dungy in the wings...

Great...and in 2 years he will be sent packing as well when we all discover that a guy who already has his super bowl ring and now a cushy TV job where he only works 1 day a week doesn't want to work as hard as he did when he was still chasing the ring. See Holmgren, Mike for a Browns example.

Clevfan4life

god dammit. god fucking dammit. Why do we always do this every 1-2 years? Why? This guys AWESOME, he's exactly what this franchise needs....ah fuck this guy he's a bum i can't beleive we ever hired him. THis is just too depressing. I just don't know how none of you get it, we're not going to get a superstar coach here who's gonna get us into the playoffs 1 year into his tenure. It's not happening. THe best we can hope for is a situation like Cincinnatti where a coach is allowed to grow with the franchise. We do this again you can forget it. No one wants to come to this yearly dumpster fire. The new coach next year will be dealing with players from like 3 different regimes, this is bullshit. It's isn't doable. You cannot evaluate a coach until nearly the whole team are "his guys".

I honestly don't know how any of you are so peaked at the prospect of yet anotehr coaching change. I can't take it anymore. I can't take another coaching staff coming in with new O and D philosophies and trying to shoe horn in our current players into those new schemes. I can't take it. Some of you are mentally deranged cause no sane sports fan can tolerate this every 1-2 years from his home team. This is literally insane.