Schwartz, the #1 RT in the NFL
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Z what the hell are you drinking or smoking these days? Yeah we should beat a banged up Pitt, but winning record in the second half? The D will have to go through transformation school for that to happen.
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7 games left, including this week against the steelers, vs ravens, vs 49ers, there's three very winnable games. We'll also host the bengals and steelers.
going 4-3 isn't crazy.
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Z what the hell are you drinking or smoking these days? Yeah we should beat a banged up Pitt, but winning record in the second half? The D will have to go through transformation school for that to happen.
Z what the hell are you drinking or smoking these days? Yeah we should beat a banged up Pitt, but winning record in the second half? The D will have to go through transformation school for that to happen.
That is my hidden hope. I haven't completely written off the D yet.
Zombo
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Irving starts Sunday doesn't he, interesting to see how our first round O lineman does...
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Irving starts Sunday doesn't he, interesting to see how our first round O lineman does...
Irving starts Sunday doesn't he, interesting to see how our first round O lineman does...
Yep, Bitonio's out. That one snuck under the radar.
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Irving starts Sunday doesn't he, interesting to see how our first round O lineman does...
Irving starts Sunday doesn't he, interesting to see how our first round O lineman does...
Yeah, he is playing LG, maybe he has a good game. He certainly is going to make somebody expendable if he plays well, probably Mack.
Zombo
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Irving starts Sunday doesn't he, interesting to see how our first round O lineman does...
Yeah, he is playing LG, maybe he has a good game. He certainly is going to make somebody expendable if he plays well, probably Mack.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Yeah, he is playing LG, maybe he has a good game. He certainly is going to make somebody expendable if he plays well, probably Mack.
Zombo
I hope you are right about Erving but wrong about Mack. Knee or leg injuries are tricky things and sometimes take more than a year to fully recover, especially when being tested by 300 + lb guys trying to knock you down. I still hold out hope that at least by next summer he has fully regained his All-Pro playing ability. A quarter step slower in this league may as well be a mile wide gap. At least this year so far gets him resigned with us.
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Z what the hell are you drinking or smoking these days? Yeah we should beat a banged up Pitt, but winning record in the second half? The D will have to go through transformation school for that to happen.
That is my hidden hope. I haven't completely written off the D yet.
Zombo
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Not all is wrong with this team - or with the player development.
PFF just today released their midseason All-Pro team.. and Schwartz is the #1 RT in all the land.
Not all is wrong with this team - or with the player development.
PFF just today released their midseason All-Pro team.. and Schwartz is the #1 RT in all the land.
So.............................the Browns have a GREAT LT, an All-Pro C and a top-rated RT AND THEY STILL CAN'T RUN THE BALL!!!!
And people tell me the RBs don't suck.........................................
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Not all is wrong with this team - or with the player development.
PFF just today released their midseason All-Pro team.. and Schwartz is the #1 RT in all the land.
So.............................the Browns have a GREAT LT, an All-Pro C and a top-rated RT AND THEY STILL CAN'T RUN THE BALL!!!!
And people tell me the RBs don't suck.........................................
So.............................the Browns have a GREAT LT, an All-Pro C and a top-rated RT AND THEY STILL CAN'T RUN THE BALL!!!!
And people tell me the RBs don't suck.........................................
Mack maybe not an all-pro this year, but Bitonio may be capable of a pro bowl this year too.
Also we have no servicable lead blockers and the TEs are shaky.
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Zombo said:
Yeah, he is playing LG, maybe he has a good game. He certainly is going to make somebody expendable if he plays well, probably Mack.
Zombo
I hope you are right about Erving but wrong about Mack. Knee or leg injuries are tricky things and sometimes take more than a year to fully recover, especially when being tested by 300 + lb guys trying to knock you down. I still hold out hope that at least by next summer he has fully regained his All-Pro playing ability. A quarter step slower in this league may as well be a mile wide gap. At least this year so far gets him resigned with us.
I hope you are right about Erving but wrong about Mack. Knee or leg injuries are tricky things and sometimes take more than a year to fully recover, especially when being tested by 300 + lb guys trying to knock you down. I still hold out hope that at least by next summer he has fully regained his All-Pro playing ability. A quarter step slower in this league may as well be a mile wide gap. At least this year so far gets him resigned with us.
I was thinking more of his contract situation than anything else.
Zombo
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I hope you are right about Erving but wrong about Mack. Knee or leg injuries are tricky things and sometimes take more than a year to fully recover, especially when being tested by 300 + lb guys trying to knock you down. I still hold out hope that at least by next summer he has fully regained his All-Pro playing ability. A quarter step slower in this league may as well be a mile wide gap. At least this year so far gets him resigned with us.
I was thinking more of his contract situation than anything else.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
I was thinking more of his contract situation than anything else.
Anyone willing to pay him the money in 2016 will have to be banking on his "continued recovery" that we are forced to hope for.
I don't see teams doing that.
Anyone willing to pay him the money in 2016 will have to be banking on his "continued recovery" that we are forced to hope for.
I don't see teams doing that.
I feel like he will get better as the year goes on. I also feel like he doesn't really want to be in Cleveland. Just a hunch, but I think he moves on, and i think we let him.
Zombo
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So.............................the Browns have a GREAT LT, an All-Pro C and a top-rated RT AND THEY STILL CAN'T RUN THE BALL!!!!
And people tell me the RBs don't suck.........................................
Mack maybe not an all-pro this year, but Bitonio may be capable of a pro bowl this year too.
Also we have no servicable lead blockers and the TEs are shaky.
Mack maybe not an all-pro this year, but Bitonio may be capable of a pro bowl this year too.
Also we have no servicable lead blockers and the TEs are shaky.
So the RBs are just fine, right?
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So the RBs are just fine, right?
No, we just cut the next Jim Brown. (Turbin)
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The problem I have with these "individual" evaluations are an O-Line is more than individuals and one break down can greatly affect the outcome of the game. The metrics don't really take into account that 5 yard false start that puts the team in 3rd in 10 instead of 3rd and 5, takes you out of field goal range, when you're down 2 may cripple a team.
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The problem I have with these "individual" evaluations are an O-Line is more than individuals and one break down can greatly affect the outcome of the game. The metrics don't really take into account that 5 yard false start that puts the team in 3rd in 10 instead of 3rd and 5, takes you out of field goal range, when you're down 2 may cripple a team.
The problem I have with these "individual" evaluations are an O-Line is more than individuals and one break down can greatly affect the outcome of the game. The metrics don't really take into account that 5 yard false start that puts the team in 3rd in 10 instead of 3rd and 5, takes you out of field goal range, when you're down 2 may cripple a team.
They do account for penalties though......and of ALL our O linemen, Schwartz has the fewest penalties.........
People have been on him since day one and I have never been able to figure that out.....glad he's finally getting his due for showing up....playing every single snap since he was drafted.....being ranked in the top half of the league every year since he was drafted......and getting progressively better every year as well....
What more should we ask?......does he have to be another Joe Thomas to be accepted ?......
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The problem I have with these "individual" evaluations are an O-Line is more than individuals and one break down can greatly affect the outcome of the game. The metrics don't really take into account that 5 yard false start that puts the team in 3rd in 10 instead of 3rd and 5, takes you out of field goal range, when you're down 2 may cripple a team.
They do account for penalties though......and of ALL our O linemen, Schwartz has the fewest penalties.........
People have been on him since day one and I have never been able to figure that out.....glad he's finally getting his due for showing up....playing every single snap since he was drafted.....being ranked in the top half of the league every year since he was drafted......and getting progressively better every year as well....
What more should we ask?......does he have to be another Joe Thomas to be accepted ?......
People have been on him since day one and I have never been able to figure that out.....
It really wasn't hard. His PassPro technique was weak and he was easily beaten by speed rushes. In our then power run game, he whiffed quick assignments with regularity.
Now it's not and he's not plus we emphasize the ZBS. I did not see his development coming. And based upon the players taken above Mitch, I had no faith in our top talent evaluation.
Aside: Looking at the 2012 Draft now rounds 2-6 were pretty good...
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PFF also answered the question asked by many people in this thread.. if the OL is so great, why the lack of running game and so many sacks?
It's everyone else.. and unfortunately, that makes total sense.
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