Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Tebow or bust.
Ha!.....He's the guy Ive always compared with our guy....and the sad part is that Tebow actually played better, won more and put up better numbers across the board.....(plus won a Heisman AND 2 Championships in college)....
Yet....most agree he's not even good enough to be #2 or #3 on any team......(and people can accept that).......
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Tebow or bust.
Ha!.....He's the guy Ive always compared with our guy....and the sad part is that Tebow actually played better, won more and put up better numbers across the board.....(plus won a Heisman AND 2 Championships in college)....
Yet....most agree he's not even good enough to be #2 or #3 on any team......(and people can accept that).......
Ha!.....He's the guy Ive always compared with our guy....and the sad part is that Tebow actually played better, won more and put up better numbers across the board.....(plus won a Heisman AND 2 Championships in college)....
Yet....most agree he's not even good enough to be #2 or #3 on any team......(and people can accept that).......
Do you think that part of the issue with Tebow is teams don't want the circus that surrounds him for a guy who's going to be the 3rd string inactive nearly every week?
It's hard to believe that there are 90 QB's in the world better than him and he couldn't be the 3rd string guy.
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Ha!.....He's the guy Ive always compared with our guy....and the sad part is that Tebow actually played better, won more and put up better numbers across the board.....(plus won a Heisman AND 2 Championships in college)....
Yet....most agree he's not even good enough to be #2 or #3 on any team......(and people can accept that).......
Do you think that part of the issue with Tebow is teams don't want the circus that surrounds him for a guy who's going to be the 3rd string inactive nearly every week?
It's hard to believe that there are 90 QB's in the world better than him and he couldn't be the 3rd string guy.
Do you think that part of the issue with Tebow is teams don't want the circus that surrounds him for a guy who's not so good?
Fixed.....and...
Of course they dont......its not worth it.....
What with all that praying and christian stuff he used to do.....at least with our guy it's just women, parties and substance abuse
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Do you think that part of the issue with Tebow is teams don't want the circus that surrounds him for a guy who's not so good?
Fixed.....and...
Of course they dont......its not worth it.....
What with all that praying and christian stuff he used to do.....at least with our guy it's just women, parties and substance abuse
Fixed.....and...
Of course they dont......its not worth it.....
What with all that praying and christian stuff he used to do.....at least with our guy it's just women, parties and substance abuse
That's my thought as well and I think that's why Johnny will find himself out of the league sooner rather than later.
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Johnny says he's too small and then Pet and Flip say, "Oh no you're not young man!"
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14113883/cleveland-browns-say-johnny-manziel-use-height-excuse
Please quit comparing him to Drew Brees, and draft a real QB next time. So embarrassing.
Just shoot for something over 6 foot tall and under 30 years old and maybe you'll hit next time.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Johnny says he's too small and then Pet and Flip say, "Oh no you're not young man!"
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14113883/cleveland-browns-say-johnny-manziel-use-height-excuse
How much do lineman grow after college?
Wow... another reason can't see? Does not know where to look.
What about bringing in Doug Flutie as consultant?
The reason why you drafted JM is because he was electrifying, can extend plays, and keep the defense on their heels.
Why the fuck would you want to leave him in the pocket in the first place? It makes absolutely no sense!!!
Ah... the "excitement" argument under a synonym.
There is no problem with extending plays. Some need to be extended because no one is open. Some need to be extended because the pass rush pressure comes early.
The problem comes when the pocket is left out of preference and an inconsistent ability to recognize available plays from inside it. Plays are being missed. The pocket is being left prematurely.
....waiting for an original thought that I havent already read a thousand times......
But it doesnt seem to be happening.....boooo....
How'd I do?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
It's a fair article. And I do think that Pet & his OC are doing a good job helping him see how to become a Brees or a Wilson. Sure I'd like to see a little more PA and rollout for him, but overall they are still teaching him to be a pro QB. But will the fan base stay as patient? Don't think so. It's been required too often over the years and he screwed up by muddying the waters himself. Part of why I'd rather see him in Seattle as an understudy in a "startover".
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Why the fuck was Manziel drafted here if they're trying to completely change his game?
Why the fuck was Manziel drafted here if they're trying to completely change his game?
Johnnys Second half would have looked a lot better if a certain someone didnt drop every ball that hit his hands
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Zombo said:
Johnny says he's too small and then Pet and Flip say, "Oh no you're not young man!"
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14113883/cleveland-browns-say-johnny-manziel-use-height-excuse
How much do lineman grow after college?
Wow... another reason can't see? Does not know where to look.
What about bringing in Doug Flutie as consultant?
The reason why you drafted JM is because he was electrifying, can extend plays, and keep the defense on their heels.
Why the fuck would you want to leave him in the pocket in the first place? It makes absolutely no sense!!!
Ah... the "excitement" argument under a synonym.
There is no problem with extending plays. Some need to be extended because no one is open. Some need to be extended because the pass rush pressure comes early.
The problem comes when the pocket is left out of preference and an inconsistent ability to recognize available plays from inside it. Plays are being missed. The pocket is being left prematurely.
....waiting for an original thought that I havent already read a thousand times......
But it doesnt seem to be happening.....boooo....
How'd I do?
Wow... another reason can't see? Does not know where to look.
There is no problem with extending plays.
The problem comes when the pocket is left out of preference and an inconsistent ability to recognize available plays from inside it. Plays are being missed. The pocket is being left prematurely.
How'd I do?
You did well
......and you know I agree....And just saw those stats on Johnny and Josh and how long they hold the ball.....WOW.....pretty much lends to the idea that JF isnt seeing it or able to get the ball out quickly...
Funny how many say 'josh holds it too long'....yet, its Johnny who really holds it....(4th longest in the league)
It's a fair article. And I do think that Pet & his OC are doing a good job helping him see how to become a Brees or a Wilson. .....Part of why I'd rather see him in Seattle as an understudy in a "startover".
Keep seeing him compared to Brees, Flutie, etc......but, other than being short, what else is similar??.....dont see any real similarities in their games, approach, playing styles, etc....
Seattle?....Would he want to go where he KNOWS he cant start......ever?.....I doubt it.....
And after watching them drop Harvin like a hot potato, I highly doubt that Carroll(or Seattle) would tap another distraction.....especially one who's second string....
Johnnys Second half would have looked a lot better if a certain someone didnt drop every ball that hit his hands
This is true......LOTS of drops in that game.....5 actually(very very difficult to overcome)......especially when you're only a 50% passer to begin with.....
Hartline and Gabe did Johnny no favors....hopefully they make up for it this week.....
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Wow... another reason can't see? Does not know where to look.
There is no problem with extending plays.
The problem comes when the pocket is left out of preference and an inconsistent ability to recognize available plays from inside it. Plays are being missed. The pocket is being left prematurely.
How'd I do?
You did well
......and you know I agree....And just saw those stats on Johnny and Josh and how long they hold the ball.....WOW.....pretty much lends to the idea that JF isnt seeing it or able to get the ball out quickly...
Funny how many say 'josh holds it too long'....yet, its Johnny who really holds it....(4th longest in the league)
It's a fair article. And I do think that Pet & his OC are doing a good job helping him see how to become a Brees or a Wilson. .....Part of why I'd rather see him in Seattle as an understudy in a "startover".
Keep seeing him compared to Brees, Flutie, etc......but, other than being short, what else is similar??.....dont see any real similarities in their games, approach, playing styles, etc....
Seattle?....Would he want to go where he KNOWS he cant start......ever?.....I doubt it.....
And after watching them drop Harvin like a hot potato, I highly doubt that Carroll(or Seattle) would tap another distraction.....especially one who's second string....
Johnnys Second half would have looked a lot better if a certain someone didnt drop every ball that hit his hands
This is true......LOTS of drops in that game.....5 actually(very very difficult to overcome)......especially when you're only a 50% passer to begin with.....
Hartline and Gabe did Johnny no favors....hopefully they make up for it this week.....
And just saw those stats on Johnny and Josh and how long they hold the ball.....WOW.....pretty much lends to the idea that JF isnt seeing it or able to get the ball out quickly...
This is true......LOTS of drops in that game.....5 actually(very very difficult to overcome)......especially when you're only a 50% passer to begin with.....
The one passing related thing that JM clearly has over McC is a quicker release, but means nothing if you cannot identify a target.
Drops started with Benji letting ball get through his hands and hit him in the facemask. Happened fairly early on a 3rd and long when JM ran left and hit (literally) Benji coming back on the sideline. It set the drop pattern for the day... ball getting on the receiver faster than he was used to. However, a couple of the later "drops" were on plays where something other than a fastball was called for.
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Just got to say Flugel is talking a whole lot of sense to me in my newbie status in this great game! But the great thing is there are so many variants to the game that it caters for lots of opposing view points. I'm enjoying this thread.
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Wow... another reason can't see? Does not know where to look.
There is no problem with extending plays.
The problem comes when the pocket is left out of preference and an inconsistent ability to recognize available plays from inside it. Plays are being missed. The pocket is being left prematurely.
How'd I do?
You did well
......and you know I agree....And just saw those stats on Johnny and Josh and how long they hold the ball.....WOW.....pretty much lends to the idea that JF isnt seeing it or able to get the ball out quickly...
Funny how many say 'josh holds it too long'....yet, its Johnny who really holds it....(4th longest in the league)
It's a fair article. And I do think that Pet & his OC are doing a good job helping him see how to become a Brees or a Wilson. .....Part of why I'd rather see him in Seattle as an understudy in a "startover".
Keep seeing him compared to Brees, Flutie, etc......but, other than being short, what else is similar??.....dont see any real similarities in their games, approach, playing styles, etc....
Seattle?....Would he want to go where he KNOWS he cant start......ever?.....I doubt it.....
And after watching them drop Harvin like a hot potato, I highly doubt that Carroll(or Seattle) would tap another distraction.....especially one who's second string....
Johnnys Second half would have looked a lot better if a certain someone didnt drop every ball that hit his hands
This is true......LOTS of drops in that game.....5 actually(very very difficult to overcome)......especially when you're only a 50% passer to begin with.....
Hartline and Gabe did Johnny no favors....hopefully they make up for it this week.....
Hartline and Gabe did Johnny no favors....hopefully they make up for it this week.....
Hartline didnt play in the Cincy game (concussion).
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Hartline didnt play in the Cincy game (concussion).
Right....I was actually thinking about the previous weeks game and had it in my memory that Hartline dropped several after Johnny came in.....but, looked back and all 3 of his drops were all on McCown....
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If you can't see that, If you can't smell that you're done.
He's on his ass every play and I know he isn't that good but at least he plays hard unless the rest of these millionaire jerk offs.
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Who cares. He sucks.
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Not the only one. But he's definitely in the group that does, much to the disbelief of many.
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Put him in the shotgun and actually let him throw it, see what happens? Over 80% completion percentage.
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