Bernie wants the job.....
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Ozzie Mewsome has been terrific. Why not hire some former Browns?
We don't know for sure if other former players will do as well as ozzie. At this point, I'd give bernie a shot at some position at the end of the season. Why not? Everyone else has done such a fucking wonerful job up to this point...Yeah right...
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I think Weedon would do well. He has been with the Browns and been through it's QB wringer and fully understands what bad football really looks like.
I think Weedon would do well. He has been with the Browns and been through it's QB wringer and fully understands what bad football really looks like.
Exactly. He can then hire brady quinn as his assistant...hahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA...
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Bernie's had alcohol related issues and lacks experience, no thanks
Bernie's had alcohol related issues and lacks experience, no thanks
Sounds like that Quarterback everyone wants us to play......
I say we should put Bernie upstairs(in the box) and in the QB's ear......Then he can make all the calls right at the LOS......
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I think Weedon would do well. He has been with the Browns and been through it's QB wringer and fully understands what bad football really looks like.
Exactly. He can then hire brady quinn as his assistant...hahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA...
And those two guys would handle the front office job worse in what ways?Exactly. He can then hire brady quinn as his assistant...hahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA...
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That's funny. My 1st thought when I read about Bernie wanting the gm job was....hell, let him get a snootfull and have at it. Can't do much worse...lolAnd those two guys would handle the front office job worse in what ways?
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Bernie's had alcohol related issues and lacks experience, no thanks
Sounds like that Quarterback everyone wants us to play......
I say we should put Bernie upstairs(in the box) and in the QB's ear......Then he can make all the calls right at the LOS......
Sounds like that Quarterback everyone wants us to play......
I say we should put Bernie upstairs(in the box) and in the QB's ear......Then he can make all the calls right at the LOS......
This...he would be a better QB coach than a GM. I would want him on the sidelines though, yelling at guys when they decide to start joking around and laughing as they're getting embarrassed on the field.
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Bernie's had alcohol related issues and lacks experience, no thanks
Sounds like that Quarterback everyone wants us to play......
I say we should put Bernie upstairs(in the box) and in the QB's ear......Then he can make all the calls right at the LOS......
Sounds like that Quarterback everyone wants us to play......
I say we should put Bernie upstairs(in the box) and in the QB's ear......Then he can make all the calls right at the LOS......
Classic stuff.
If anyone thinks QBs coming out of college don't drink - they're still looking for reindeer and sleds in the sky carrying a fat guy in a red suit once a year. You should have seen and heard about what a party legend Jim Kelly was in a great college town/city like Buffalo. That was the QB Bernie learned from on and off the field.
Drinking among pro athletes isn't even exclusive to football if anyone knows the Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle stories. Some guys that make a lot of dumb decisions just stand out more when they do drink.
Here's the thing ,if you tell a guy that likes to drink he's just going to be a mannequin - what's going to give himj incentive to stop partying. There's Brett Favre in Atlanta and there's Brett Favre in GB right? What changed? Empowerment of responsibility to the extent improvement witnessed was improvement rewarded. If they kept stopping that with "no, we need to see what the 35 year old Detmer still has" - what would have been the urgency to get him there? We'redoing the same thing with a first round draft pick nobody in our fan base drafted. He's 1-1 in starts this year while the 36 year old alternative is playing well; BUT not really showing me this concept of he gives us our best chance to win in a record of 1-6 in starts. Our defense gave him the ball at the Denver 39 in OT and we went backward about 15 yards.
We have about 7 games left in a season where our defense doesn't look like it's headed for the playoffs - making these unofficial preseason games. I cannot fathom drafting a QB in round 1 you never had any intentions of playing. If that's not grounds for get the flock outta here - what is? They would have ruined Derek Carr just as easily overthinking what Heaven above was putting on their door step in the last 2 first rounds.
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Sounds like that Quarterback everyone wants us to play......
I say we should put Bernie upstairs(in the box) and in the QB's ear......Then he can make all the calls right at the LOS......
Classic stuff.
If anyone thinks QBs coming out of college don't drink - they're still looking for reindeer and sleds in the sky carrying a fat guy in a red suit once a year. You should have seen and heard about what a party legend Jim Kelly was in a great college town/city like Buffalo. That was the QB Bernie learned from on and off the field.
Drinking among pro athletes isn't even exclusive to football if anyone knows the Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle stories. Some guys that make a lot of dumb decisions just stand out more when they do drink.
Here's the thing ,if you tell a guy that likes to drink he's just going to be a mannequin - what's going to give himj incentive to stop partying. There's Brett Favre in Atlanta and there's Brett Favre in GB right? What changed? Empowerment of responsibility to the extent improvement witnessed was improvement rewarded. If they kept stopping that with "no, we need to see what the 35 year old Detmer still has" - what would have been the urgency to get him there? We'redoing the same thing with a first round draft pick nobody in our fan base drafted. He's 1-1 in starts this year while the 36 year old alternative is playing well; BUT not really showing me this concept of he gives us our best chance to win in a record of 1-6 in starts. Our defense gave him the ball at the Denver 39 in OT and we went backward about 15 yards.
We have about 7 games left in a season where our defense doesn't look like it's headed for the playoffs - making these unofficial preseason games. I cannot fathom drafting a QB in round 1 you never had any intentions of playing. If that's not grounds for get the flock outta here - what is? They would have ruined Derek Carr just as easily overthinking what Heaven above was putting on their door step in the last 2 first rounds.
Classic stuff.
If anyone thinks QBs coming out of college don't drink - they're still looking for reindeer and sleds in the sky carrying a fat guy in a red suit once a year.
Everybody drinks.....most dont need 3 months of rehab....most dont blow off their job for a whole year....and most dont have pics of them in a bathroom with rolled up bills....(you think that was a straw for his beer???)
There's Brett Favre in Atlanta and there's Brett Favre in GB right? What changed?
His team gave up on him....thats what changed. (See Chris Carter for another example)
I cannot fathom drafting a QB in round 1 you never had any intentions of playing.
Nor can I....but I do think the Browns fully intended to play him.....and probably last year, ftm......he didnt come prepared though
They would have ruined Derek Carr just as easily overthinking what Heaven above was putting on their door step in the last 2 first rounds.
Ruined??.....do you actually think the Browns "ruined" Johnny???.....How about the idea that Pettines tough love IS THE REASON Johnny even got it together???
I say....had we just started him, he would have continued on his wreckless "im not changing for anyone" streak....and no reason to believe otherwise...
Ive been saying to play him.....just have zero confidence he'll do anything productive.........110 yds & 11 pts a game aint gonna get it done.....
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Seriously, wtf is up with everybody wanting Bernie for the GM role? Dude was a good QB in his day, but everybody needs to take off the nostalgia beer googles on this one before we jump off that particular cliff. Bernie has no GM experience whatsoever, and he's been retired for damn near two decades. If he had it in him to be a GM for a NFL team, he would've already been hired by a team by now.
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Well Bernie would never be hired because it would prolly make us better. And for jbluhm... what experienced GM would we get? We are a training ground and our current GM doesnt have any exp either. At least people actually like Bernie and i bet he could actually find a good coach who wants to coach for him and would be all around better than farmer.
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Mud, we normally agree, but you seem blind to the fact that Pettine's "dog house" has no way out.
I don't know WHAT Johnny's motivation for rehab was, but unless he bought into it, it would NOT have worked. Credit there to Johnny.
Gaines & Bademosi vs Gilbert (inactive)...GREAT move, hunh?
One of our "big" WR, Bowe, healthy inactive today after his only 3 catches were against Cinci with Johnny as QB.
Johnny played a hell of a game & I believe we'll see more improvement IF he has more opportunities to play.
I honestly feel Pettine is more concerned with utilizing "his boys" (players AND coaches) than he is in winning. Play the best? Are you going to tell me Bademosi is a better corner than Gilbert? Gaines better? (and I have NOT been a Gilbert fan).
Given our current staff, do ANY of you really see a top drawer, still productive free agent signing here? If so, my Dad would have said "You're having pipe dreams".
I don't push Bernie as GM, but we sure could use him as a consultant...also guys like Joe Jurevicious, Hanford Dixon, & Bob Golic. WHY aren't we reaching out to these guys who, unlike our coaching staff, KNOW how to win in the NFL & understand the Browns proud tradition? In short, we need to light a fire!
Count me as one who sees Mike Pettine (and very probably Ray Farmer) as a roadblock to winning. I don't like "blowing things up" either, BUT.....
Mike
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Classic stuff.
If anyone thinks QBs coming out of college don't drink - they're still looking for reindeer and sleds in the sky carrying a fat guy in a red suit once a year.
Everybody drinks.....most dont need 3 months of rehab....most dont blow off their job for a whole year....and most dont have pics of them in a bathroom with rolled up bills....(you think that was a straw for his beer???)
There's Brett Favre in Atlanta and there's Brett Favre in GB right? What changed?
His team gave up on him....thats what changed. (See Chris Carter for another example)
I cannot fathom drafting a QB in round 1 you never had any intentions of playing.
Nor can I....but I do think the Browns fully intended to play him.....and probably last year, ftm......he didnt come prepared though
They would have ruined Derek Carr just as easily overthinking what Heaven above was putting on their door step in the last 2 first rounds.
Ruined??.....do you actually think the Browns "ruined" Johnny???.....How about the idea that Pettines tough love IS THE REASON Johnny even got it together???
I say....had we just started him, he would have continued on his wreckless "im not changing for anyone" streak....and no reason to believe otherwise...
Ive been saying to play him.....just have zero confidence he'll do anything productive.........110 yds & 11 pts a game aint gonna get it done.....
Mud,
I'm not going to give Pettine any credit at all for being a church mouse when it was time to tell Haslam Manziel is all wrong for us when he had his chance to. The time to do it 1-2 years later isn't admirable to me. I see more of a coward than I someone I need to appreciate. If he understood addiction at all - the only person that it was up to this late was the 21 year old that was addicted. But was he REALLY addicted or was he just 21? I don't see Pettine as a hero here. I do agree with a lot of other points you made.
I think Manziel has a much better start to his career than Blake Bortles has had as a #3 overall. If we traded back up in round 1 to draft a QB Pettine only wanted to take a back seat to a 36 year old too beat up to answer the bell (1 year after Hoyer flat lined with 5 games left) - is the problem really the 22 year old Qb? Sorry can't agree the biggest evil here isn't a 22 year old QB. Drafting another one early next year won't be the tourniquet. Promise. This is as dysfunctional as I've ever seen things here.
Ruined??.....do you actually think the Browns "ruined" Johnny???.....How about the idea that Pettines tough love IS THE REASON Johnny even got it together???
I say....had we just started him, he would have continued on his wreckless "im not changing for anyone" streak....and no reason to believe otherwise...
Ive been saying to play him.....just have zero confidence he'll do anything productive.........110 yds & 11 pts a game aint gonna get it done.....
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Mud, we normally agree, but you seem blind to the fact that Pettine's "dog house" has no way out.
I don't know WHAT Johnny's motivation for rehab was, but unless he bought into it, it would NOT have worked. Credit there to Johnny.
Gaines & Bademosi vs Gilbert (inactive)...GREAT move, hunh?
One of our "big" WR, Bowe, healthy inactive today after his only 3 catches were against Cinci with Johnny as QB.
Johnny played a hell of a game & I believe we'll see more improvement IF he has more opportunities to play.
I honestly feel Pettine is more concerned with utilizing "his boys" (players AND coaches) than he is in winning. Play the best? Are you going to tell me Bademosi is a better corner than Gilbert? Gaines better? (and I have NOT been a Gilbert fan).
Given our current staff, do ANY of you really see a top drawer, still productive free agent signing here? If so, my Dad would have said "You're having pipe dreams".
I don't push Bernie as GM, but we sure could use him as a consultant...also guys like Joe Jurevicious, Hanford Dixon, & Bob Golic. WHY aren't we reaching out to these guys who, unlike our coaching staff, KNOW how to win in the NFL & understand the Browns proud tradition? In short, we need to light a fire!
Count me as one who sees Mike Pettine (and very probably Ray Farmer) as a roadblock to winning. I don't like "blowing things up" either, BUT.....
Mike
Mud, we normally agree, but you seem blind to the fact that Pettine's "dog house" has no way out.
I don't know WHAT Johnny's motivation for rehab was, but unless he bought into it, it would NOT have worked. Credit there to Johnny.
Gaines & Bademosi vs Gilbert (inactive)...GREAT move, hunh?
One of our "big" WR, Bowe, healthy inactive today after his only 3 catches were against Cinci with Johnny as QB.
Johnny played a hell of a game & I believe we'll see more improvement IF he has more opportunities to play.
I honestly feel Pettine is more concerned with utilizing "his boys" (players AND coaches) than he is in winning. Play the best? Are you going to tell me Bademosi is a better corner than Gilbert? Gaines better? (and I have NOT been a Gilbert fan).
Given our current staff, do ANY of you really see a top drawer, still productive free agent signing here? If so, my Dad would have said "You're having pipe dreams".
I don't push Bernie as GM, but we sure could use him as a consultant...also guys like Joe Jurevicious, Hanford Dixon, & Bob Golic. WHY aren't we reaching out to these guys who, unlike our coaching staff, KNOW how to win in the NFL & understand the Browns proud tradition? In short, we need to light a fire!
Count me as one who sees Mike Pettine (and very probably Ray Farmer) as a roadblock to winning. I don't like "blowing things up" either, BUT.....
Mike
Great post Mike! I wish I saw this before I replied.
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totally disagree.
a business owner hires a person to do a job. if he doesn't let them do the job as promised then he is an impediment. if the person hired doesn't do the job as promised then they get fired.
but what were the terms? if you are sitting in a job interview and are given certain guarantees, then you should be able to do your job w/o the fear of someone standing over your back scrutinizing every move. if at the end of all the agreements and promises things aren't kosher then part ways. fine. you got a fair shot. but you failed or you accomplished what was asked of you.
so the manziel fans (hmmm) are going to complain about pettine and say he should go when he's been here about the same amount of time BUT because he doesn't start 'your' boy he doesn't deserve the same consideration that manziel should get.
please guys, just stop it. it's the same 45 that you play every year when you realize we are going no where and the needle skips across the vinyl.
GOD KNOWS DOING THE SAME HIRING AND FIRING IS THE BEST WAY TO FIX THIS!
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BRING BACK HOLMGREN!!!
GOD KNOWS YOU BOUGHT INTO THAT YOU SUCKERS.
NOW BUY INTO A MEDIA DRIVEN, CRY BABY FAN BASE THAT CAN'T KEEP BITCHING ABOUT HOW MANY QBS WE'VE HAD SINCE GOD KNOWS WHEN BUT IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS FAULT AT ALL. IT'S THE COACH AND THE GM AND THE BALL BOY AND YOUR SISTER'S ASS.
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totally disagree.
a business owner hires a person to do a job. if he doesn't let them do the job as promised then he is an impediment. if the person hired doesn't do the job as promised then they get fired.
but what were the terms? if you are sitting in a job interview and are given certain guarantees, then you should be able to do your job w/o the fear of someone standing over your back scrutinizing every move. if at the end of all the agreements and promises things aren't kosher then part ways. fine. you got a fair shot. but you failed or you accomplished what was asked of you.
so the manziel fans (hmmm) are going to complain about pettine and say he should go when he's been here about the same amount of time BUT because he doesn't start 'your' boy he doesn't deserve the same consideration that manziel should get.
please guys, just stop it. it's the same 45 that you play every year when you realize we are going no where and the needle skips across the vinyl.
GOD KNOWS DOING THE SAME HIRING AND FIRING IS THE BEST WAY TO FIX THIS!
totally disagree.
a business owner hires a person to do a job. if he doesn't let them do the job as promised then he is an impediment. if the person hired doesn't do the job as promised then they get fired.
but what were the terms? if you are sitting in a job interview and are given certain guarantees, then you should be able to do your job w/o the fear of someone standing over your back scrutinizing every move. if at the end of all the agreements and promises things aren't kosher then part ways. fine. you got a fair shot. but you failed or you accomplished what was asked of you.
so the manziel fans (hmmm) are going to complain about pettine and say he should go when he's been here about the same amount of time BUT because he doesn't start 'your' boy he doesn't deserve the same consideration that manziel should get.
please guys, just stop it. it's the same 45 that you play every year when you realize we are going no where and the needle skips across the vinyl.
GOD KNOWS DOING THE SAME HIRING AND FIRING IS THE BEST WAY TO FIX THIS!
Mik,
I've got to disagree.
Pettine was hired to win with defense & a strong running game, NEITHER of which have been even close to being delivered. In fact, if you check stats, I do believe we have regressed. I also see poor fundamentals & excessive penalties. Who, if anyone, is coaching this Team? As you know, I've been a Browns' Fan a LONG time & this is the worst I can remember as far as discipline & fundamentals go.
I got a one word text from an old, respected friend after the game. The word was........"PATHETIC". This guy & I have argued before about Johnny's value, but when I called him after his text, he said, "Manziel was the LEAST of our problems, the coaches don't know what they're doing".
Mike
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totally disagree.
a business owner hires a person to do a job. if he doesn't let them do the job as promised then he is an impediment. if the person hired doesn't do the job as promised then they get fired.
but what were the terms? if you are sitting in a job interview and are given certain guarantees, then you should be able to do your job w/o the fear of someone standing over your back scrutinizing every move. if at the end of all the agreements and promises things aren't kosher then part ways. fine. you got a fair shot. but you failed or you accomplished what was asked of you.
so the manziel fans (hmmm) are going to complain about pettine and say he should go when he's been here about the same amount of time BUT because he doesn't start 'your' boy he doesn't deserve the same consideration that manziel should get.
please guys, just stop it. it's the same 45 that you play every year when you realize we are going no where and the needle skips across the vinyl.
GOD KNOWS DOING THE SAME HIRING AND FIRING IS THE BEST WAY TO FIX THIS!
Mik,
I've got to disagree.
Pettine was hired to win with defense & a strong running game, NEITHER of which have been even close to being delivered. In fact, if you check stats, I do believe we have regressed. I also see poor fundamentals & excessive penalties. Who, if anyone, is coaching this Team? As you know, I've been a Browns' Fan a LONG time & this is the worst I can remember as far as discipline & fundamentals go.
I got a one word text from an old, respected friend after the game. The word was........"PATHETIC". This guy & I have argued before about Johnny's value, but when I called him after his text, he said, "Manziel was the LEAST of our problems, the coaches don't know what they're doing".
Mike
Mik,
I've got to disagree.
Pettine was hired to win with defense & a strong running game, NEITHER of which have been even close to being delivered. In fact, if you check stats, I do believe we have regressed. I also see poor fundamentals & excessive penalties. Who, if anyone, is coaching this Team? As you know, I've been a Browns' Fan a LONG time & this is the worst I can remember as far as discipline & fundamentals go.
I got a one word text from an old, respected friend after the game. The word was........"PATHETIC". This guy & I have argued before about Johnny's value, but when I called him after his text, he said, "Manziel was the LEAST of our problems, the coaches don't know what they're doing".
Mike
i hear you and i understand your point of view. to me this is not about one player. and for me, even though it's seemed we have regressed, it's not about the defense as well (not that their lack of nothingness can be called an attribute).
we have no offensive threats. if you want to blame farmer for that, fine. but you'll have to lump in pettine, his whole staff and the owner on that one.
there are a lot of people that have different views on how a team should be built. i was taught by some very wise people early on that building a football team is a lot like building a baseball team. strength up the middle and build out from there. and in football it's more about the fight for dominating one's OL and tearing apart the other's. we have a center on the OL that (if he stays) is a pro-bowler, a LT that is a HOFer and if looking at the numbers the OL isn't the problem. farmer has obviously tried to build a strong tough defense. i mean last year we were great on D except vs the run. you think danny shelton was picked just for the hell of it with our first pick? problem with the D is we have players but maybe 2 or 3 'stars'. no LBs that seal the edges and some corners if beaten by a step give up huge gains.
there are a lot of teams winning games that give up 3 tds a game. OUR problem is we can't stay on the field long enough to get out of the defenses way. the D is gassed before halftime because of the lack of time of possession on the O side of the ball. where's a rb that's done anything for the team since a one year flash peyton hillis? who's been a downfield threat (disregarding gordon here) since butter fingers braylon?
please fill the holes in on defense but if we don't pick a bonafide thoroughbred RB and a 6'7" hybrid te/wr within our first 3 picks next year then I'LL be calling for farmer's head.
(btw....disagreeing and having different opinions is not a bad thing. i've been with my woman for almost 30 years and we have nothing in common.
)just don't try that within the islamic faith though......
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totally disagree.
a business owner hires a person to do a job. if he doesn't let them do the job as promised then he is an impediment. if the person hired doesn't do the job as promised then they get fired.
but what were the terms? if you are sitting in a job interview and are given certain guarantees, then you should be able to do your job w/o the fear of someone standing over your back scrutinizing every move. if at the end of all the agreements and promises things aren't kosher then part ways. fine. you got a fair shot. but you failed or you accomplished what was asked of you.
so the manziel fans (hmmm) are going to complain about pettine and say he should go when he's been here about the same amount of time BUT because he doesn't start 'your' boy he doesn't deserve the same consideration that manziel should get.
please guys, just stop it. it's the same 45 that you play every year when you realize we are going no where and the needle skips across the vinyl.
GOD KNOWS DOING THE SAME HIRING AND FIRING IS THE BEST WAY TO FIX THIS!
totally disagree.
a business owner hires a person to do a job. if he doesn't let them do the job as promised then he is an impediment. if the person hired doesn't do the job as promised then they get fired.
but what were the terms? if you are sitting in a job interview and are given certain guarantees, then you should be able to do your job w/o the fear of someone standing over your back scrutinizing every move. if at the end of all the agreements and promises things aren't kosher then part ways. fine. you got a fair shot. but you failed or you accomplished what was asked of you.
so the manziel fans (hmmm) are going to complain about pettine and say he should go when he's been here about the same amount of time BUT because he doesn't start 'your' boy he doesn't deserve the same consideration that manziel should get.
please guys, just stop it. it's the same 45 that you play every year when you realize we are going no where and the needle skips across the vinyl.
GOD KNOWS DOING THE SAME HIRING AND FIRING IS THE BEST WAY TO FIX THIS!
Mik, You're an easy guy to respect and I usually agree with not fire to rehire every other year but this bullshit about bringing in a QB Pettine didn't have the gonads to speak up against PREDRAFT until we're in season #2 - means he's a church mouse ready to get rathoused like he did today. On top of that if Defene is his expertise, his 32nd ranked defense is the margin of error around QB while our running game has regressed dramatically since 2014.
Who's gotten better from the coaching - what position group beside 2 obvious exceptions to an overall rule (Benjamin and Barnidge)?
If we're going to hear picks and FA selections were a Democracy - what's with the kiddy games to punish the people Pettine didn't approve of? We deserve better. And what's his fascination with knee high and ankle high WRs? That may win in high school but the little fellers are fumbling at contact. It took Gabriel 3 weeks to get over his post traumatic stress syndrome from the Bubble screen at St Louis.
This staff has turned our season into pre-season football caliber importance as early as mid season. They've lost all our entire defense while many of our offensive vets think they're full of crap. I hate saying all this but it's what I'm seeing.
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