12 penalties for 188 yards
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Browns were 7-4 last year and since then they are 2-13.
BUH BYE coaches
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Man so close only 25 more yards in penalties and the Browns would have set the NFL record
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77 yards of PI penalties on 2 consecutive plays has to be a record
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Not getting the fire coaches because players get penalties.
MAYBE delay of game penalties are on the coaches, but how do you keep the dumbass Dlinemen from lining up offsides? Your saying that a Pro player doesn't know how to line up without getting a penalty?
Telling a dumbass on ST that you can't jump off other people to try to block a field goal? Dude doesn't know that and he's in the pro's?
Oline holding people instead of blocking? Didn't know you can't do that?
DB's not grabbing WR's? New concept to these guys?
Not getting the fire coaches because players get penalties.
MAYBE delay of game penalties are on the coaches, but how do you keep the dumbass Dlinemen from lining up offsides? Your saying that a Pro player doesn't know how to line up without getting a penalty?
Telling a dumbass on ST that you can't jump off other people to try to block a field goal? Dude doesn't know that and he's in the pro's?
Oline holding people instead of blocking? Didn't know you can't do that?
DB's not grabbing WR's? New concept to these guys?
It's called focusing on fundamentals and getting guys to just do their jobs. Good coaches set their lineup and get guys to do the little things right. "Do your job" is all a coach has to teach.
I get the sense these coaches are too focused on competition in practice and are building an over-aggressive group of underachievers that will try to cut corners so they dont look bad on tape Monday because their afraid to lose their job to an undrafted guy who works hard but has no talent.
I also think they have tried too hard to install a system and try to "fit guys" into that system. They change players' roles and make them "think" too much rather than just let them play.
This all leads to guys "pressing" and trying to outdo themselves. This leads to mistakes... In any sport... At any level...
Bad coaching...
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Not getting the fire coaches because players get penalties.
MAYBE delay of game penalties are on the coaches, but how do you keep the dumbass Dlinemen from lining up offsides? Your saying that a Pro player doesn't know how to line up without getting a penalty?
Telling a dumbass on ST that you can't jump off other people to try to block a field goal? Dude doesn't know that and he's in the pro's?
Oline holding people instead of blocking? Didn't know you can't do that?
DB's not grabbing WR's? New concept to these guys?
It's called focusing on fundamentals and getting guys to just do their jobs. Good coaches set their lineup and get guys to do the little things right. "Do your job" is all a coach has to teach.
I get the sense these coaches are too focused on competition in practice and are building an over-aggressive group of underachievers that will try to cut corners so they dont look bad on tape Monday because their afraid to lose their job to an undrafted guy who works hard but has no talent.
I also think they have tried too hard to install a system and try to "fit guys" into that system. They change players' roles and make them "think" too much rather than just let them play.
This all leads to guys "pressing" and trying to outdo themselves. This leads to mistakes... In any sport... At any level...
Bad coaching...
To quote my college OC "I can tell you how to do it, I can show you how to do it...but it's up to you to do it."It's called focusing on fundamentals and getting guys to just do their jobs. Good coaches set their lineup and get guys to do the little things right. "Do your job" is all a coach has to teach.
I get the sense these coaches are too focused on competition in practice and are building an over-aggressive group of underachievers that will try to cut corners so they dont look bad on tape Monday because their afraid to lose their job to an undrafted guy who works hard but has no talent.
I also think they have tried too hard to install a system and try to "fit guys" into that system. They change players' roles and make them "think" too much rather than just let them play.
This all leads to guys "pressing" and trying to outdo themselves. This leads to mistakes... In any sport... At any level...
Bad coaching...
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
To quote my college OC "I can tell you how to do it, I can show you how to do it...but it's up to you to do it."It's called focusing on fundamentals and getting guys to just do their jobs. Good coaches set their lineup and get guys to do the little things right. "Do your job" is all a coach has to teach.
I get the sense these coaches are too focused on competition in practice and are building an over-aggressive group of underachievers that will try to cut corners so they dont look bad on tape Monday because their afraid to lose their job to an undrafted guy who works hard but has no talent.
I also think they have tried too hard to install a system and try to "fit guys" into that system. They change players' roles and make them "think" too much rather than just let them play.
This all leads to guys "pressing" and trying to outdo themselves. This leads to mistakes... In any sport... At any level...
Bad coaching...
To quote my college OC "I can tell you how to do it, I can show you how to do it...but it's up to you to do it."
True but well coached teams don't commit 12 penalties for 188 yards.
Well coached teams don't regress in lieu of progress.
If we closed 2014 with 5 straight losses and began 2015 with 2-8 football - we are what our record says we are. Pettine is now 2-13 in his last 15 games while being outscored 55-3 in the second halves of the last 3 games heading into today with the 32nd ranked defense.
It looks like there's a lot of experienced veterans no longer buying into what the coaching staff is sentencing them to. Now that Jimmy has been told he shouldn't meddle - how long are we sentenced to this?
I don't know how old everyone else but I'm 51 feeling like I'm not going to live long enough to see our next playoff win.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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To quote my college OC "I can tell you how to do it, I can show you how to do it...but it's up to you to do it."It's called focusing on fundamentals and getting guys to just do their jobs. Good coaches set their lineup and get guys to do the little things right. "Do your job" is all a coach has to teach.
I get the sense these coaches are too focused on competition in practice and are building an over-aggressive group of underachievers that will try to cut corners so they dont look bad on tape Monday because their afraid to lose their job to an undrafted guy who works hard but has no talent.
I also think they have tried too hard to install a system and try to "fit guys" into that system. They change players' roles and make them "think" too much rather than just let them play.
This all leads to guys "pressing" and trying to outdo themselves. This leads to mistakes... In any sport... At any level...
Bad coaching...
To quote my college OC "I can tell you how to do it, I can show you how to do it...but it's up to you to do it."
Are you certain they're telling them OR showing them? Given the past few weeks I'm not so sure what they're telling/showing these guys...
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Somebody still needs to try to explain how it's a coaches fault when a Dlinemen lines up offsides... And the guy isn't in middle school/pee wee and doesn't know better.
I agree, O'Neil Blows, but the penalties like that fall straight on a dumbass player...and how many times have we seen that this year? Field goals at the end of game that cost them the game on a retry, in the redzone multiple times... Wtf...
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First round: Bosa [He'll fall because the 2 teams ahead of us, lions and chargers, need OL more than DL]
Second round: Michael Thomas, WR, OSU
All other rounds: BPA
First round: Bosa [He'll fall because the 2 teams ahead of us, lions and chargers, need OL more than DL]
Second round: Michael Thomas, WR, OSU
All other rounds: BPA
No need for Bosa to fall. The Browns are picking number one right now. And i'd pass on Bosa right now, hasn't really impressed as much as last year. I'm kind of over the hyped-up DEs anyways. Has not worked out for the Browns in the past and hasn't worked out for other teams in recent years. Throw in the character issues and its a for sure pass. Bosa is better suited as a 4-3 end than a 3-4 olb in my opinion.
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To quote my college OC "I can tell you how to do it, I can show you how to do it...but it's up to you to do it."
True but well coached teams don't commit 12 penalties for 188 yards.
Well coached teams don't regress in lieu of progress.
If we closed 2014 with 5 straight losses and began 2015 with 2-8 football - we are what our record says we are. Pettine is now 2-13 in his last 15 games while being outscored 55-3 in the second halves of the last 3 games heading into today with the 32nd ranked defense.
It looks like there's a lot of experienced veterans no longer buying into what the coaching staff is sentencing them to. Now that Jimmy has been told he shouldn't meddle - how long are we sentenced to this?
I don't know how old everyone else but I'm 51 feeling like I'm not going to live long enough to see our next playoff win.
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Somebody still needs to try to explain how it's a coaches fault when a Dlinemen lines up offsides... And the guy isn't in middle school/pee wee and doesn't know better.
I agree, O'Neil Blows, but the penalties like that fall straight on a dumbass player...and how many times have we seen that this year? Field goals at the end of game that cost them the game on a retry, in the redzone multiple times... Wtf...
Same holds true for taunting, or a face mask penalty.Somebody still needs to try to explain how it's a coaches fault when a Dlinemen lines up offsides... And the guy isn't in middle school/pee wee and doesn't know better.
I agree, O'Neil Blows, but the penalties like that fall straight on a dumbass player...and how many times have we seen that this year? Field goals at the end of game that cost them the game on a retry, in the redzone multiple times... Wtf...
You can't coach the stupid out of some players.
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Somebody still needs to try to explain how it's a coaches fault when a Dlinemen lines up offsides... And the guy isn't in middle school/pee wee and doesn't know better.
I agree, O'Neil Blows, but the penalties like that fall straight on a dumbass player...and how many times have we seen that this year? Field goals at the end of game that cost them the game on a retry, in the redzone multiple times... Wtf...
Somebody still needs to try to explain how it's a coaches fault when a Dlinemen lines up offsides... And the guy isn't in middle school/pee wee and doesn't know better.
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Totally agree and posted that last week after Starks didn't understand he was lined up offsides when he was the closest guy on our defense to the football pre-snap.
That said, when our running game ranks 31st and our defense is ranked 32nd what kind of reflection is that on the coaching staff - progress or regression?
Next, Pettine is 2-13 in his last 15 games as an active part of the Democracy bringing his hand selected coaches and his hand selected players.
Outside of veterans like Benjamin and Barnidge playing the best football of their careers - what younger players in their 2nd or 3rd years here are getting better? Why was our defense way more competitive in their first year of Pettine's defense than the second year? Because the full defense is finally fully installed?
The decision to start Bademosi pretty much tells our opponent we forfeit against the pass today. That's our coaches who decide who plays, who sits and who watches in street clothes.
These really aren't good signs
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
To quote my college OC "I can tell you how to do it, I can show you how to do it...but it's up to you to do it."It's called focusing on fundamentals and getting guys to just do their jobs. Good coaches set their lineup and get guys to do the little things right. "Do your job" is all a coach has to teach.
I get the sense these coaches are too focused on competition in practice and are building an over-aggressive group of underachievers that will try to cut corners so they dont look bad on tape Monday because their afraid to lose their job to an undrafted guy who works hard but has no talent.
I also think they have tried too hard to install a system and try to "fit guys" into that system. They change players' roles and make them "think" too much rather than just let them play.
This all leads to guys "pressing" and trying to outdo themselves. This leads to mistakes... In any sport... At any level...
Bad coaching...
To quote my college OC "I can tell you how to do it, I can show you how to do it...but it's up to you to do it."
when you have little dweebie wideouts with legs and arms like toothpicks, you bet they will do it alright. Seriously, they belong in the arena football league.
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Somebody still needs to try to explain how it's a coaches fault when a Dlinemen lines up offsides... And the guy isn't in middle school/pee wee and doesn't know better.
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Totally agree and posted that last week after Starks didn't understand he was lined up offsides when he was the closest guy on our defense to the football pre-snap.
That said, when our running game ranks 31st and our defense is ranked 32nd what kind of reflection is that on the coaching staff - progress or regression?
Next, Pettine is 2-13 in his last 15 games as an active part of the Democracy bringing his hand selected coaches and his hand selected players.
Outside of veterans like Benjamin and Barnidge playing the best football of their careers - what younger players in their 2nd or 3rd years here are getting better? Why was our defense way more competitive in their first year of Pettine's defense than the second year? Because the full defense is finally fully installed?
The decision to start Bademosi pretty much tells our opponent we forfeit against the pass today. That's our coaches who decide who plays, who sits and who watches in street clothes.
These really aren't good signs
Totally agree and posted that last week after Starks didn't understand he was lined up offsides when he was the closest guy on our defense to the football pre-snap.
That said, when our running game ranks 31st and our defense is ranked 32nd what kind of reflection is that on the coaching staff - progress or regression?
Next, Pettine is 2-13 in his last 15 games as an active part of the Democracy bringing his hand selected coaches and his hand selected players.
Outside of veterans like Benjamin and Barnidge playing the best football of their careers - what younger players in their 2nd or 3rd years here are getting better? Why was our defense way more competitive in their first year of Pettine's defense than the second year? Because the full defense is finally fully installed?
The decision to start Bademosi pretty much tells our opponent we forfeit against the pass today. That's our coaches who decide who plays, who sits and who watches in street clothes.
These really aren't good signs
you mean mosilybad...heheheheeeee
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I have the words. FIRE ALL THE COACHES
Jummuh is goona wait until the end of the year to grant your request.
fire the coaches that teach the players not to get penalties.
it should be more like FIRE ALL THE PLAYERS....
i'll repeat this until i'm blue in the face and everyone hits the ignore button on me:
WE CAN NOT KEEP THE CYCLE OF FIRE AND HIRE WITH THIS TEAM. EVERYFUCKINGBODY KNOWS THAT IS NOT THE ANSWER. NOT ONE TEAM THAT HAS EVER BEEN A CONTENDER OR AT THE STEPS OF A DYNASTY DOES IT. but a bad season, realizing some of the picks haven't lived up or played to their capabilities, getting embarrassed by teams that embarrass us all the time and it's the same old song and dance with half you homos.
FIRE EVERYBODY.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Good teams don't get penalties like that Mik. If you don't want to blame Pettine, then blame the position coaches, they're supposed to teach technique.. Those Pass Interference and holding calls were technique- and it SUCKED.
Me too London but people will tell us not to worry once we get Manziel outta here all our problems are solved. It's Cleveland and all young QBs come here wanting to struggle so our fanbase has an appropriate person to hate and pin all our problems on. I've seen this sequel rinse and repeat itself countless times.Our front office will get bullied into drafting another QB in round 1 that isn't the solution especially if we keep a GM that thinks talented WRs aren't effective tools for his QBs in a passing era.
Free Josh Gordon.
Browns were 7-4 last year and since then they are 2-13.
BUH BYE coaches
Working on 2-19, a recipe to get anyone canned.
Man so close only 25 more yards in penalties and the Browns would have set the NFL record
Missed that one- go for 200.
you mean mosilybad...heheheheeeee
His name is BAD-emosly. Shouldn't let a special teamer try and cover an opposing #1 wr. Hey Mik, you call that great coaching?
So Mr. Pettine- let me get this straight. Gilbert is worse than BAD-emosi, Bowe is worse than any active wr we have.
We have a conundrum. If Pettine is right- Farmer should be fired. If Farmer is right, Pettine should be fired. Stay tuned.
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Farmer is right.
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How many penalties and or mistakes did Tramon Williams make,today? I get the Red Zone but there was nothing to see.
Did anyone see the article at CBSsports.com about teams calling the Browns before the trade deadline? It said there were teams interested in trades but were told by Farmer he had to consult with others on the staff? Make a long story short teams said they couldn't get answers from anyone in the front office?
On a good note the Browns have a bye week and no one will be forced to watch this mess until they host Baltimore Nov. 30th on Monday Night Football. I pray they get their act together at least for that one night!
Haslam said he wasn't making any changes over the bye. Manziel will probably get the start but it's a bad team. No quarterback can make a difference on a team with no running game. And an offensive line that would make anyone squeamish. They're responsible for Josh McCown getting pummeled and injured. Manziel can throw on the run but even he could not escape the constant breakdown of the line.
Memo to Farmer: You cannot win in the NFL without Big Physical Wide receivers who can also block and fight for the ball. You must draft a running back bell cow and forget the committee approach.
As for the defense? How do you replace 11 duds!
Thank you for not even negotiating with Skrine, Sheard, Ward and Rubin. At least they had chemistry! You, Mr. Farmer, are a fraud!
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Somebody still needs to try to explain how it's a coaches fault when a Dlinemen lines up offsides... And the guy isn't in middle school/pee wee and doesn't know better.
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Totally agree and posted that last week after Starks didn't understand he was lined up offsides when he was the closest guy on our defense to the football pre-snap.
That said, when our running game ranks 31st and our defense is ranked 32nd what kind of reflection is that on the coaching staff - progress or regression?
Next, Pettine is 2-13 in his last 15 games as an active part of the Democracy bringing his hand selected coaches and his hand selected players.
Outside of veterans like Benjamin and Barnidge playing the best football of their careers - what younger players in their 2nd or 3rd years here are getting better? Why was our defense way more competitive in their first year of Pettine's defense than the second year? Because the full defense is finally fully installed?
The decision to start Bademosi pretty much tells our opponent we forfeit against the pass today. That's our coaches who decide who plays, who sits and who watches in street clothes.
These really aren't good signs
Totally agree and posted that last week after Starks didn't understand he was lined up offsides when he was the closest guy on our defense to the football pre-snap.
That said, when our running game ranks 31st and our defense is ranked 32nd what kind of reflection is that on the coaching staff - progress or regression?
Next, Pettine is 2-13 in his last 15 games as an active part of the Democracy bringing his hand selected coaches and his hand selected players.
Outside of veterans like Benjamin and Barnidge playing the best football of their careers - what younger players in their 2nd or 3rd years here are getting better? Why was our defense way more competitive in their first year of Pettine's defense than the second year? Because the full defense is finally fully installed?
The decision to start Bademosi pretty much tells our opponent we forfeit against the pass today. That's our coaches who decide who plays, who sits and who watches in street clothes.
These really aren't good signs
This is well said here. Obviously every penalty isn't the fault of the coaches, I don't think anyone is saying that. BUT, things like personnel decisions fall squarely on coaches. I'm not exaggerating when I say I can't think of a worse overall performance from a secondary since I've been watching Browns football. It's puzzling that your first round pick is on the bench when you elevate a guy in Bademosi and Gaines who look nothing short of pathetic. Bademosi is a seasoned player in the league now and he looked that bad. I can gives Gaines a break if it weren't for the fact he was directly playing in place of Gilbert.
Coaches make tough personnel decisions all the time. Bill B. in New England is an example of that and obviously his results speak for themselves. No one is saying the coach doesn't have that latitude, but it's really hard to not see Pettine is objectively wrong in who are "his guys". Another troubling sign to me is that guys had given up out there, at least IMO. I get the game was decided, but that drop by Travis late in the game was gut wrenching. But, here you see him nonchalantly acting like he's playing catch with his kids going back to the huddle. The fire is gone, which again shows strongly to the coaches.
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What's even more sad is the fact that the calls appeared to be solid. The only one that I felt was bad was the second pass interference call after the first one on the dreaded "77 yard penalty debacle." I really thought the second call was bogus. Again, not that it really matters, but an extra 40 yards a team doesn't deserve is crap.
Cam Erving was total crap. The holding call on the goal line? I mean, REALLY? And how about the play where the Steelers DL knocked Erving into oblivion? He looked completely overpowered...all game long. I know it's his first start, and I'm not calling him a bust or anything like that, but wouldn't it be nice to have a first round pick that just knocks everyone's socks off right away?
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