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  • and its even more troubling, because IF or WHEN a Gilbert, Mingo or Bowe finally get to play....they will be SO hesitant and afraid to make a mistake, that they will fail....and THAT will be on the Coaches and the way they've handled these guys.....

  • I hope the inability of our pass rush to even slightly perturb a gimped Roethlisberger helped everyone realize our scheme and player need revamped next year. And that we need to draft a pass rusher. No more small fgt speed rushers either. We need someone that can take the shortest line possible to the QB.

  • I won't lie, I have someone specific in mind.

  • C Clevfan4life

    I won't lie, I have someone specific in mind.

    @clevfan4life said:

    I won't lie, I have someone specific in mind.

    Ha!....bet it's a 4 letter word.....😉

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @clevfan4life said:

    I won't lie, I have someone specific in mind.

    Ha!....bet it's a 4 letter word.....😉

    @mudfly said:

    Ha!....bet it's a 4 letter word..... 😉

    M-i-n-g-...oh.

  • Seriously though, if Bosa's there, it'd be extremely difficult to not take him. Pick up a WR in the second round, and I'm happy.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    Seriously though, if Bosa's there, it'd be extremely difficult to not take him. Pick up a WR in the second round, and I'm happy.

    @gftchris said:

    Seriously though, if Bosa's there, it'd be extremely difficult to not take him. Pick up a WR in the second round, and I'm happy.

    At this point....Im all about BPA.....we need difference makers, not void fillers.....

    But Coach needs to spend some time with them to make sure he "likes" them.....

    I think MIKEY needs a bowl of life cereal.....

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @gftchris said:

    Seriously though, if Bosa's there, it'd be extremely difficult to not take him. Pick up a WR in the second round, and I'm happy.

    At this point....Im all about BPA.....we need difference makers, not void fillers.....

    But Coach needs to spend some time with them to make sure he "likes" them.....

    I think MIKEY needs a bowl of life cereal.....

    @mudfly said:

    At this point....Im all about BPA.....we need difference makers, not void fillers.....

    I can get on board with that. I'm just having a case of the Ghoolies - seeing us fail to punch it in to the end zone time and time again makes me want a stud receiver, or maybe (if somehow we end up around #10) an Ezekiel Elliott.

  • We absolutely need more height at WR, Barnidge is our only red zone threat because of the smurfs.

  • L LondonBrown

    We absolutely need more height at WR, Barnidge is our only red zone threat because of the smurfs.

    @londonbrown said:

    We absolutely need more height at WR, Barnidge is our only red zone threat because of the smurfs.

    I've been wondering about how often we run 12 or 13 personnel, to try to get more big threats around there. Maybe Tour can look in to it?

  • There is absolutely no way Gilbert is worse than Bademosi or Gaines. I really don't get it. Our defense is probably worse than most people realize. Can't stop the run, and can't rush the passer. I mean, how can we have a defensive coach that can't coach a competent defense? And it's not like we're "close", or we're losing because of a few mistakes here and there. We're getting our asses kicked. NFL games are generally close. How many games were decided by ten points or less this weekend and EVERY weekend?

    And then there is the offense. Have you guys ever seen an offense so devoid of playmakers? If you're the opposition, who are you scared of? And the running game...can we discuss that? Can anyone remember having so many running plays net negative yardage? Remember last year when we punched it in? Now, we have to try and create some scheme play to get a touchdown, and let's just say that isn't working out. Can anyone remember a worse red zone attack?

    Ultimately, here's the thing: If Pettine gets fired, who takes over?! We have basically zero head coaching experience on our current staff, so if you fire Pettine, who takes over? Suppose we make it to the end of the season and then we fire Pettine, and probably everyone else. Who do we bring in? We're an absolute disaster. Obviously the job is still an NFL head coaching position, and there will be people interested, but if it comes down to the Browns job or another opening...are we really going to get the best available candidate?

    We're frustrated, and rightfully so. I just want a team I can be proud of, and we're so far from it.

    U Mark OM 2 Replies

  • I would add that Robert Turbin and Shaun Draughn have the highest rushing average on the team this year.....

    So....cut em.....

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    There is absolutely no way Gilbert is worse than Bademosi or Gaines. I really don't get it. Our defense is probably worse than most people realize. Can't stop the run, and can't rush the passer. I mean, how can we have a defensive coach that can't coach a competent defense? And it's not like we're "close", or we're losing because of a few mistakes here and there. We're getting our asses kicked. NFL games are generally close. How many games were decided by ten points or less this weekend and EVERY weekend?

    And then there is the offense. Have you guys ever seen an offense so devoid of playmakers? If you're the opposition, who are you scared of? And the running game...can we discuss that? Can anyone remember having so many running plays net negative yardage? Remember last year when we punched it in? Now, we have to try and create some scheme play to get a touchdown, and let's just say that isn't working out. Can anyone remember a worse red zone attack?

    Ultimately, here's the thing: If Pettine gets fired, who takes over?! We have basically zero head coaching experience on our current staff, so if you fire Pettine, who takes over? Suppose we make it to the end of the season and then we fire Pettine, and probably everyone else. Who do we bring in? We're an absolute disaster. Obviously the job is still an NFL head coaching position, and there will be people interested, but if it comes down to the Browns job or another opening...are we really going to get the best available candidate?

    We're frustrated, and rightfully so. I just want a team I can be proud of, and we're so far from it.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    how can we have a defensive coach that can't coach a competent defense?

    During Pettine's entire coaching career, he's had his mistakes explained away by good players and/or better coaches. The great stats are because he's had great players - lewis, reed, etc.

    Now, he's exposed as the sham that he's always been.

    He lacks both self-awareness and flexibility.

    Cut him.

    "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown

  • yeah I want a big stud WR too but our defense is so bad we have to do something there. And it starts on the line.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I think I kind of had that view in the back of my mind, that Pett makes his mind up on people early and doesn't sway from that, but to see it clear like that makes it obvious.

    Why is Bademosi playing over Gilbert? I've not seen Bademosi break up a pass, get a pick, or even make an open field tackle. Is Gilbert really worse than that? Bademosi has hit his ceiling, and it's very low. Gilbert could be much better.

    Why is Bowe not playing? We have such a lack of playmakers at the WR position, is he really much worse than Gabriel? We had to play Marlon Moore towards the end of the game because of injuries.

    Everyone knows the Manziel story - Pett doesn't like him and seems reluctant to play him at all. When McCown was injured vs AZ, he was left in there, but JFF has a contact lens issue and Davis is rushed on to the field to cover for a snap?

    I really, really, hope this view is wrong, because I like Pettine as a man, and he's clearly at least a solid DC. He could be the guy to turn it around, if only he gets *his* guys in place. That means he needs to get much more involved in the scouting and drafting process, which may not be a good thing.

    @gftchris said:

    I really, really, hope this view is wrong, because I like Pettine as a man, and he's clearly at least a solid DC. He could be the guy to turn it around, if only he gets *his* guys in place. That means he needs to get much more involved in the scouting and drafting process, which may not be a good thing.

    I hope it's wrong as well because I like him as well and I've defended him all season but I have to admit its getting harder and harder to do it. I think we will learn a lot when we see who starts the Baltimore game. I thought it was the right choice to go back to McCown after the Titans game but at this point at 2-8 and the fact that Manziel played well enough yesterday, there's no reason not to give him another start. I might be joining the get rid of the coach camp if he goes back to McCown at this point.

  • The defense is a dumpster fire from the coaches to the players. It will have to addressed in the draft and O'Neil needs to be gone ASAP.

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    There is absolutely no way Gilbert is worse than Bademosi or Gaines. I really don't get it. Our defense is probably worse than most people realize. Can't stop the run, and can't rush the passer. I mean, how can we have a defensive coach that can't coach a competent defense? And it's not like we're "close", or we're losing because of a few mistakes here and there. We're getting our asses kicked. NFL games are generally close. How many games were decided by ten points or less this weekend and EVERY weekend?

    And then there is the offense. Have you guys ever seen an offense so devoid of playmakers? If you're the opposition, who are you scared of? And the running game...can we discuss that? Can anyone remember having so many running plays net negative yardage? Remember last year when we punched it in? Now, we have to try and create some scheme play to get a touchdown, and let's just say that isn't working out. Can anyone remember a worse red zone attack?

    Ultimately, here's the thing: If Pettine gets fired, who takes over?! We have basically zero head coaching experience on our current staff, so if you fire Pettine, who takes over? Suppose we make it to the end of the season and then we fire Pettine, and probably everyone else. Who do we bring in? We're an absolute disaster. Obviously the job is still an NFL head coaching position, and there will be people interested, but if it comes down to the Browns job or another opening...are we really going to get the best available candidate?

    We're frustrated, and rightfully so. I just want a team I can be proud of, and we're so far from it.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Ultimately, here's the thing: If Pettine gets fired, who takes over?! We have basically zero head coaching experience on our current staff, so if you fire Pettine, who takes over? Suppose we make it to the end of the season and then we fire Pettine, and probably everyone else. Who do we bring in? We're an absolute disaster. Obviously the job is still an NFL head coaching position, and there will be people interested, but if it comes down to the Browns job or another opening...are we really going to get the best available candidate?

    Well...I would say there's two basic options if we are looking for a new coach. It's either going to be some coordinator that most of us have never heard of and maybe Farmer keeps his job and you bring in a coach who wants to work with Johnny. The complete opposite end of the spectrum is Jimmy backs up the truck for a Sean Payton or Gruden or Cowher or someone like that but in that case everyone is blown out. A guy like that coming here is going to want full and total control over everything.

    Canton DawgC 1 Reply

  • Doug Marrone?

    LogicIsForSquaresL 1 Reply
  • Mark OM Mark O

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Ultimately, here's the thing: If Pettine gets fired, who takes over?! We have basically zero head coaching experience on our current staff, so if you fire Pettine, who takes over? Suppose we make it to the end of the season and then we fire Pettine, and probably everyone else. Who do we bring in? We're an absolute disaster. Obviously the job is still an NFL head coaching position, and there will be people interested, but if it comes down to the Browns job or another opening...are we really going to get the best available candidate?

    Well...I would say there's two basic options if we are looking for a new coach. It's either going to be some coordinator that most of us have never heard of and maybe Farmer keeps his job and you bring in a coach who wants to work with Johnny. The complete opposite end of the spectrum is Jimmy backs up the truck for a Sean Payton or Gruden or Cowher or someone like that but in that case everyone is blown out. A guy like that coming here is going to want full and total control over everything.

    @mark-o said:

    A guy like that coming here is going to want full and total control over everything.

    Which means bye-bye Farmer.
    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @mark-o said:

    A guy like that coming here is going to want full and total control over everything.

    Which means bye-bye Farmer.

    @canton-dawg said:

    Which means bye-bye Farmer.

    That's what I mean...if its a big name guy...its a total reboot of the franchise (again). Bring in a coordinator or even a college coach, I would think Farmer stays (for continuity) and maybe even some of the coordinators stay as well.

    Just my opinion but I would bet that's how it works.

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