Should of had two tds

LondonBrown

And how about going from the one yard line on 1st and goal back to the 25

We beat ourselves most weeks

Bob806

Manziel was in on his run, replay took it away.

Doesn't matter when the defense absolutely blows.

jiggins7919

Manziel was in and the refs absolutely took it from him. I understand we imploded in typical Browns fashion, but it shouldn't have come to that. He was in and he deserved that damn touchdown. And shame on Benji for that drop. Manziel should've been around 37-47 for two td's and another rushing td. I know we would've lost the game anyways, but it matters to him and his confidence. He played with heart, and he played pretty well considering he had zero running game (again) and his team let him down. I say Manziel has to stay in for the rest of the season. What really sucks is the fact we don't have playmakers for him. We could ruin yet another young qb because we failed to set him up for success.

bbedward

@bob806 said:

Manziel was in on his run, replay took it away.

Doesn't matter when the defense absolutely blows.

Even so, we turned 1st and goal at the inch line into 2nd and goal or whatever from the 25 yard line.

That's impressively bad.

gftChris

@bbedward said:

Even so, we turned 1st and goal at the inch line into 2nd and goal or whatever from the 25 yard line.

That's impressively bad.

You mean like when we turned '1st-10, need two yards for a game winning FG' in to '3rd-25, need a whole lot for a game winning FG' against Denver?

Canton Mike

I think Johnny had that TD too, but the refs called it otherwise. Afterward, Johnny said he was pissed that HE didn't extend further & that's one of many reasons why I think this kid is so special....he put it on HIMSELF! No blaming refs, teammates, etc. He holds himself to a very high standard. That attitude will win a lot of respect. He's gonna be a winner.

Mike

Mudfly

I liked how he played too.....kind of a glimpse of what we hope he can be.....

Really showed good composure in some pretty adverse conditions. Thats a good sign....

Kvoethe

Hated to watch my Dvr'd sports shows...all the jokes about the browns. Needless to say, they were painful to watch.

BaconHound

30-23 is a better loss

The Gipper

@bob806 said:

Manziel was in on his run, replay took it away.

Doesn't matter when the defense absolutely blows.

The call on the field was no TD.....and the replay that had the best view.....that would have shown that he was in, was obscured by a Steeler player being in the way. If they had a camera on the other side of the field it would have probably showed that he was in, but they didn't have a camera over there. As it was, they didn't have clear evidence that he was in.

Had the on field call been a TD....I think that call would have had to be upheld as well.

flyingfooldoug

Why is it that the NFL uses replay and yet doesn't require the same number of cameras and angles be identical for every game?

The Gipper

@flyingfooldoug said:
Why is it that the NFL uses replay and yet doesn't require the same number of cameras and angles be identical for every game?

I think prime time games get more. Some games now have the pylon cameras. If this game had those....I think that gets called a TD.

LondonBrown

I was doubly pissed off as I had a bet on Johnny to score a TD at +350

jiggins7919

The biggest concern about Johnny doesn't really have ANYTHING to do with Johnny at all. My concern is the organization is setting him up to fail. What happened to our running attack? If I was preparing a defensive scheme against the Browns, I would tell every one of my players to never bite on the play action fake. The announcers even said something the other day, like why would the Steelers even consider going for the fake when the Browns can't/don't run the ball? There were a handful of bootleg plays that could've gotten Johnny obliterated if the blitzing defender honed in on him. And that will happen next game. The fake won't work because we aren't a threat to run the ball. Now, if we somehow figure out a way to run the ball, THEN the fake can be a pivotal play in our scheme.

Besides the running game, Johnny needs help int he weapons department. That drop by Benji was soul crushing. Johnny did such a nice job on that play, and the play call was perfect. How many times have we gotten into the red zone this season, only to come away with 3 or zero? I don't have the stats on me, but we have to be the worst in the entire league, correct? Barnidge has been a wonderful surprise, but even he has his limitations. He's dropped a couple of touchdowns that would've been amazing catches, but he couldn't come up with it. Granted, he's made some ridiculous receptions as well, but we need that all star guy in the red zone that can go up and snatch the touchdown with consistency.

Now, I realize we're past the trade deadline, and there isn't anything we can do about getting a weapon at this point, but you have to wonder who in the heck is going to make plays for us. I would assume Hawkins and Gabriel will be out, even with the bye week. They haven't done much this year anyways, but still...they ARE our starters. So are we going with Hartline, Benji, and Bowe? Yikes.

The Steelers game was just one game, but when you add it to the Bengals first half, it looks like progress is being made. The amount of times Johnny made plays from the pocket was impressive, and yes, I realize the Steelers had the game in hand and were probably playing somewhat soft. But look at the early part of the Steelers game. Johnny had a couple of 3rd and longs that were very impressive. I know I bring him up often, and I probably shouldn't, but I can't stop thinking, "What would this offense look like with Josh Gordon?" Please...PLEASE let him come back.

PoeticG

You mean- We need a guy like this?

hoorta

@mudfly said:

I liked how he played too.....kind of a glimpse of what we hope he can be.....

Really showed good composure in some pretty adverse conditions. Thats a good sign....

Also looked like they were calling a lot more designed rollouts- to play to his strength.

@baconhound said:
30-23 is a better loss

Sad it's come down to that.

jiggins7919

@poeticg said:

You mean- We need a guy like this?

PoeticG...why...why do you taunt us. Every time I think about the possibility of having Gordon out there I drool. Can you imagine him catching a few of those quick slants? Come back routes that are open because they're afraid of the deep pass? Gordon is the one guy we have on the team that can take a routine catch and take it to the HOUSE. From what little I've heard about Gordon, he appears to be keeping it together, and intent on returning to the NFL. At this point it'd be foolish to expect him to be back considering all the times he's disappointed us, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't completely praying for his return. Talent like Gordon is very rare, and he's the kind of guy that can bail out an offense. The kind of guy we don't have atm.