2016 DRAFT who's your boy?
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To repeat myself, the more I see Jaylon Smith from ND the more I'd love to see him in a Browns uniform. Turning around the defense begins with having "the dude" (think Mack, Luke K, the murderer Ray Lewis) in the middle of it which this guy can be.
To repeat myself, the more I see Jaylon Smith from ND the more I'd love to see him in a Browns uniform. Turning around the defense begins with having "the dude" (think Mack, Luke K, the murderer Ray Lewis) in the middle of it which this guy can be.
Ding ding ding ding.......this is where Im at right now...
Its early, but he might be the best "need" pick...for sure...
Browns desperately need a dominant OLB(we did last year too)......pass on olb again and watch our Defense continue to suck
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Assuming we don't go QB (here's hoping Manziel can be the guy for a while at least), the top options are almost exclusively D players, or LTs. Bosa, Hargreaves, Nkemdichie, Stanley, Tunsil, Ramsey - no RB will go that high, and no WR seems worthy.
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Assuming we don't go QB (here's hoping Manziel can be the guy for a while at least), the top options are almost exclusively D players, or LTs. Bosa, Hargreaves, Nkemdichie, Stanley, Tunsil, Ramsey - no RB will go that high, and no WR seems worthy.
the top options are almost exclusively D players.....- no RB will go that high, and no WR seems worthy.
Id say take stock of the rankings....right now....because they are based upon how these guys play and nothing else.....
Soon though....all the draftniks will publish their rankings and then the combine will happen....and suddenly.....there will be a bunch of new names at the top....(and some great players will start to slide)....and positions will start getting adjusted too.....
So no good WR's or RB's right now???....there will be by draft day, guaranteed.....
So, the best "players" could fall if they are a tenth of a second slow or an inch too short......and a bunch of "lesser-players" will rise simply because of a great 40 time or a video clip or some other stupid measurable....
So....Im hoping we go for pure players and NOT potential players.....and the pure players are on top NOW.....
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Mud - I will happily append 'right now' to the end of my statement.
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Mud - I will happily append 'right now' to the end of my statement.
....No need to do that.....because my point is they will be listed as top 10.......but not worthy.....So, to be clear, Im not correcting you, but just spinning off of what you said.....
Because in a few months folks will be screaming for some WR we've never heard of because he ran a 4.3 and is tall....and the top 1 or 2 at each position will be pushed higher than they belong(talent wise), just to fill needs on the board.....
Out of the top 10 current prospects, Ima guess that almost 1/2 of them drop out of that top 10.....and there will be a bunch of fast risers for all the wrong reasons....
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yeah if we don't go with Bosa than I think stud MLB'er is next on this list. Not sure about the Notre Dame kid. I dunno, I just don't like ND and I think ND players are generally soft. Might be great athletes though, just not that "mentality" I want.
We need to find guys like Kuechly that just smell wehre the balls going pre snap. It's like something in the air and shit. They howl at the moon than go beast through the O line on their way to stopping the ball carrier for a loss.
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Bosa, Smith, Treadwell.
Though if a QB is needed, I think Goff is the best.
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Lynch seems to wiry to me, idk how else to describe it. He's supposedly 245 lbs but I don't see that all. He does everyone really well but just looks awkward doing it.
@mudfly said:
Ding ding ding ding.......this is where Im at right now...
Its early, but he might be the best "need" pick...for sure...
Browns desperately need a dominant OLB(we did last year too)......pass on olb again and watch our Defense continue to suck
Amen my friend.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
I don't like him as the 3, they'd have to put too much weight on him. I would slide him between the 5 tech on days we deem that a 3-4 would be better and the 4-3DE on days we run that. I would prefer to keep Bosa 1v1 as much as possible and not break him down with constant double teams.
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I'd draft Brian Kelly out of ND. Doesn't matter what players we have until we get a coach and gm.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
Ur right a franchise QB does outright win you games sometimes, but you have to have a competent defense. And to do that you have to draft "talent". If there was a near sure fire franchise QB in this draft and not just another 2 year and out jabroni, that would obviously be something the Browns needed to look at. There's not that guy in this draft. There's guys who have potential for sure, but with our high draft pick this year we have to take someone that is going to produce from day one. It's a short list. Bosa is on it, he's a guy you can build a defense around. There might also be some excellent MLB'ers worthy of the high pick.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
So you agree that a franchise QB doesn't often step in from day one and start making the team better? Maybe they take a year or two to really get in to their groove and get adjusted to life in the NFL.
Gee, if only we'd drafted a QB in the first round last year that is now looking pretty decent, but maybe a little inconsistent and in need of game time. That would be great, we could maybe even make him the starter for the rest of the season so we can see if he's progressing as we expect, and then see where we stand.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
And I have no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
Well....if you have no clue on which of these 4 is "the" one.....then how are you so CERTAIN we dont have the right guy now????
Your eyes tell you when pro QB's suck, but cant do the same with prospects???.....hmmmm.(side eye)
How about this.....usually when there is no standout QB in the upcoming draft, that means there is only about a 20% chance the one you pick will be the "right" one.....so, lets roll the dice again?....and then spend another year attacking the guy that did it because he didnt hit????
On the other hand, if there is an obvious standout player at another position of need...you gotta take him.....thats what good teams do....they draft the best players....not needs
Otherwise, we end up with another first round QB bust, while we watch the guy we passed on ripping it up with another team.....
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Manziel is our QB. He will prove we have our franchise QB over the rest of the season. Shelton and Bosa we build our defensive line around and pick quality depth in our secondary.
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Bottom line, you don't take a QB simply to address the 'franchise' elephant in the room. You pick a guy because he has the makings of a ten year signal caller.
Picking a QB and trying to convince yourself he's the guy is how you end up with Gabbert, Freeman, Weeden etc etc.
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And I have no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
Well....if you have no clue on which of these 4 is "the" one.....then how are you so CERTAIN we dont have the right guy now????
Your eyes tell you when pro QB's suck, but cant do the same with prospects???.....hmmmm.(side eye)
How about this.....usually when there is no standout QB in the upcoming draft, that means there is only about a 20% chance the one you pick will be the "right" one.....so, lets roll the dice again?....and then spend another year attacking the guy that did it because he didnt hit????
On the other hand, if there is an obvious standout player at another position of need...you gotta take him.....thats what good teams do....they draft the best players....not needs
Otherwise, we end up with another first round QB bust, while we watch the guy we passed on ripping it up with another team.....
Well....if you have no clue on which of these 4 is "the" one.....then how are you so CERTAIN we dont have the right guy now????
Your eyes tell you when pro QB's suck, but cant do the same with prospects???.....hmmmm.(side eye)
How about this.....usually when there is no standout QB in the upcoming draft, that means there is only about a 20% chance the one you pick will be the "right" one.....so, lets roll the dice again?....and then spend another year attacking the guy that did it because he didnt hit????
On the other hand, if there is an obvious standout player at another position of need...you gotta take him.....thats what good teams do....they draft the best players....not needs
Otherwise, we end up with another first round QB bust, while we watch the guy we passed on ripping it up with another team.....
4 sure Mud. Nice job with that!
With first round QBs - you gotta hope you have the right guy in the front office that can identify an Aaron Rodgers capable of beating a much more talented team like USC aside from the other necessary assets. Kosar and Elway were beating more talented teams they weren't supposed to beat as well. We also could have drafted Ben Rape-free-B4-Pittsburgh without even trading away our 3rd round pick at the time. I'm okay with that one though; because I couldn't root for a serial rapist. I'd still like to have a better Front Office than we've been gagging on. There's something to be said for a football season that keeps our excitement after September. Tell that to Ghoolie though. Apparently, we've looked like the 72 Dolphins here every season before and after Kosar. FWIW, Kosar won a National Championship over a much more talented Nebraska Team before putting us in ideal positions to beat Denver in both of a first 2 AFC Championship Games but shhhhh! We'll keep that little secret with fans that actually watch this team.
In other rounds/drafts like the Expansion Draft, we chose a QB that had gambling issues in college (Scott Milanovich) over Kurt Warner. We also chose the dreadful completion percentages of Spergon Wynn over Tom Brady when we weren't the only team that didn't understand what Brady was destined to become. One thing we have learned the hard way is you separate the does from the bucks and the do's from the don'ts in the front office. We're still partying like it's 1999.
In any event, my favorite prospect from Ohio State is the best RB in the country Zeke Elliott. I'm pretty sure Alabama can easily distinguish between Zeke and the LSU kid they easily smothered and swarmed. Hold on a second, I think Zeke just scored on Alabama again. Meatball on spaghetti, not only is Zeke a great blocker - but his coach says he loves to block. That's the first clue he's not going to show up to the NFL as an entitled Diva. He's gonna be somebody's Victorious Secrets that isn't willing to hurt themselves overthinking what's on their doorstep (if he comes out). I haven't seen a RB that can score from anywhere on the field in Cleveland since Greg Pruitt played here. That said, when you have a Farmer in your Front Office begging to be a Jeff Foxworthy punchline - I can almost read the gift card to Ozzie Newsome when he gift wraps Elliott to the Birdcage "All My Love and Spray" - Ray Farmer.
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