Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Would you say that Big Ben had a better game than Johnny? If you are PFF, you would grade him lower even though he had nearly the same yards and completion percentage but had two more TDs. To me that just seems ridiculous.
Would you say that Big Ben had a better game than Johnny? If you are PFF, you would grade him lower even though he had nearly the same yards and completion percentage but had two more TDs. To me that just seems ridiculous.
Again, this is exactly what Im talking about....you are making Bens game and Johnnys game an apples to apples comparison.....and they both faced different things, with different tools and had to execute different plays against different fronts.....you are WAY over simplifying it....and their individual scores should not be compared to determine who had the better game.....
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No, that argument is bad too. But you haven't actually laid out any sort of case against it. You're just saying it sucks. And your last post where you actually attempted to make your case just confirmed how bad your argument is. Stats in a vacuum? That's all you've got? Really?
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Couple quick thoughts as I wander by on my bye week...
On the thread theme:
Johnny Football is not getting the starts; Johnny Manziel is.
On Pet getting "outside help" with the decision:
I've no doubt he got buy in from Haslam that the playoffs are gone and JM showed enough promise to make the time is right. Beyond that folks are just pissing into the wind.
On the PFF detour:
Mud, nailed it. PFF is a systematic process of player evaluation that generates individual scores. While still subjective it is so on a micro level. As such, mistaken evaluations may exist, but will be overwhelmed by a massive number of spot-on ones.
That said it can not be "proven" to be superior to any other method because there is no objective standard for comparison.
One area where PFF falls short is when it tries, or its subscribers try, to determine "the best Line" by summing the scores of the individuals. It misses the contribution of how well a given Line functions together... one of the other sources of our 2015 O-line issues.
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Tour, that last paragraph is spot on.
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Weve given up the most sacks, we can't run the ball, we lead the league in false starts and are like top 5 in holds. PFF cant rate offensive line play obviously.I will be reposting this in every single thread where someone asserts that the O line is terrible.
The O-line is the second best in the league.
The problem with the run game is not the O line.
If you think otherwise, you're objectively wrong. If being wrong is your thing, don't change!
Weve given up the most sacks, we can't run the ball, we lead the league in false starts and are like top 5 in holds. PFF cant rate offensive line play obviously.
Not to get in the PFF debate- but I just went back and took another look at this year's Ravens game. Five weeks down the road- the team is still making the same dumb penalties. I guess "play like a Brown" means play stupid and get called for penalties that lose games.
From that article. Though isn't Canfora an avowed Browns hater?
"Sticking with McCown at this point might not quite be akin to a coaching mutiny, and Pettine certainly has the ability to start players as he sees fit per his contract, but to disregard a sentiment this sweeping would serve to only further divide a building that has long suffered from issues between personnel and coaching and would call Pettine's decision-making further into question internally if not externally."
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If you think this dipshit that can't beat two so called backups out for the starting job is going to turn out you have your head in the sand
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Weve given up the most sacks, we can't run the ball, we lead the league in false starts and are like top 5 in holds. PFF cant rate offensive line play obviously.
Not to get in the PFF debate- but I just went back and took another look at this year's Ravens game. Five weeks down the road- the team is still making the same dumb penalties. I guess "play like a Brown" means play stupid and get called for penalties that lose games.
From that article. Though isn't Canfora an avowed Browns hater?
"Sticking with McCown at this point might not quite be akin to a coaching mutiny, and Pettine certainly has the ability to start players as he sees fit per his contract, but to disregard a sentiment this sweeping would serve to only further divide a building that has long suffered from issues between personnel and coaching and would call Pettine's decision-making further into question internally if not externally."
Yes, it would appear so. La Canfora seems to get a lot of traction from shitting on the Cleveland Browns assumedly because it gets him a lot of notice in the area which translates into more nationwide attention.Not to get in the PFF debate- but I just went back and took another look at this year's Ravens game. Five weeks down the road- the team is still making the same dumb penalties. I guess "play like a Brown" means play stupid and get called for penalties that lose games.
From that article. Though isn't Canfora an avowed Browns hater?
"Sticking with McCown at this point might not quite be akin to a coaching mutiny, and Pettine certainly has the ability to start players as he sees fit per his contract, but to disregard a sentiment this sweeping would serve to only further divide a building that has long suffered from issues between personnel and coaching and would call Pettine's decision-making further into question internally if not externally."
Of course I've heard his name used with glee when he's bashing Johnny.
I doubt that any of us have much of a clue as to what actually happens in the soap opera and discussed here and in the media on a daily basis. Still somebody has to sell all that bee pollen
WSS
WSS
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My distain for little Johnny runs deep. When he was drafted it was a slap to the face. It's showed a owner wanting to sale jerseys not win game. I said when he was drafted it would set the team back four years, and it might be longer. Little Johnny couldn't beat out two so called back ups for the starting job. Regardless of what you fan boys think the coaches know he can't play hence why he only starts when everyone else is hurt. Why Hoyer was ever let go just to bring in another qb that's about the same. Granted McCown has play great dispit getting killed. But Hoyer was holding the line and playing good enough to win let's remember how good it was until Mack got hurt yet even while winning all we heard was chants for Johnny. Then we get him and its dog shit. Until Johnny is gone be will be an infection on this team and if your looking for a running game forget that teams are going to make him throw. Pittsburgh has a bad defense the weakest we will see the rest of the way. The IR is calling and little Johnny will soon answer.
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^^^^^ Learn some spelling and punctuation skills before you try to post. Other than that, your post is ridiculous.
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My distain for little Johnny runs deep. When he was drafted it was a slap to the face. It's showed a owner wanting to sale jerseys not win game. I said when he was drafted it would set the team back four years, and it might be longer. Little Johnny couldn't beat out two so called back ups for the starting job. Regardless of what you fan boys think the coaches know he can't play hence why he only starts when everyone else is hurt. Why Hoyer was ever let go just to bring in another qb that's about the same. Granted McCown has play great dispit getting killed. But Hoyer was holding the line and playing good enough to win let's remember how good it was until Mack got hurt yet even while winning all we heard was chants for Johnny. Then we get him and its dog shit. Until Johnny is gone be will be an infection on this team and if your looking for a running game forget that teams are going to make him throw. Pittsburgh has a bad defense the weakest we will see the rest of the way. The IR is calling and little Johnny will soon answer.
Pittsburgh has a bad defense the weakest we will see the rest of the way.
49ers are easily much worse then the Stoolers. Ravens are also just as bad, if not worse. Chiefs are average. Seattle is GREAT statistically, despite what the record says. And the Bungles..... Well, we saw how that went
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Terrible post. Its fans like this that I can't stand. They'll root against their own team just so they can "be right." Douche
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I want Johnny to be the Browns franchise QB. I really do
But he has very long odds of that happening.
He's short, he doesn't read defenses well, and he's not all in
Plus the team around him is AWEFUL. No good Wr, no running game, and a o-line is pathetic.
No to mention a coaching staff that is inexperienced and lame duck.
If Johnny can overcome all that....................Then he's the man
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I hated the Manziel pick with a Purple Passion. But it's done. We should wish him success or at least give us something to watch on Sunday's. He's not the only player out there. Danny Shelton needs to play better. Maybe lose some weight. We need more production from Duke Jr. Crowell too. The coaches aren't giving the running game enough time to develop, they keep cutting players. I picked up Shaugn Draughn in fantasy and he did pretty good.
We need to draft wide receivers too! Cleveland has the worst skill players in the NFL! If McCown had a Dez type player to compliment Barnidge but no.
Look what has happened to the packers without Jordy Nelson. They don't have a deep threat and their run game disappeared.
Farmer know crap!
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My distain for little Johnny runs deep. When he was drafted it was a slap to the face. It's showed a owner wanting to sale jerseys not win game. I said when he was drafted it would set the team back four years, and it might be longer. Little Johnny couldn't beat out two so called back ups for the starting job. Regardless of what you fan boys think the coaches know he can't play hence why he only starts when everyone else is hurt. Why Hoyer was ever let go just to bring in another qb that's about the same. Granted McCown has play great dispit getting killed. But Hoyer was holding the line and playing good enough to win let's remember how good it was until Mack got hurt yet even while winning all we heard was chants for Johnny. Then we get him and its dog shit. Until Johnny is gone be will be an infection on this team and if your looking for a running game forget that teams are going to make him throw. Pittsburgh has a bad defense the weakest we will see the rest of the way. The IR is calling and little Johnny will soon answer.
My distain for little Johnny runs deep. When he was drafted it was a slap to the face. It's showed a owner wanting to sale jerseys not win game. I said when he was drafted it would set the team back four years, and it might be longer. Little Johnny couldn't beat out two so called back ups for the starting job. Regardless of what you fan boys think the coaches know he can't play hence why he only starts when everyone else is hurt. Why Hoyer was ever let go just to bring in another qb that's about the same. Granted McCown has play great dispit getting killed. But Hoyer was holding the line and playing good enough to win let's remember how good it was until Mack got hurt yet even while winning all we heard was chants for Johnny. Then we get him and its dog shit. Until Johnny is gone be will be an infection on this team and if your looking for a running game forget that teams are going to make him throw. Pittsburgh has a bad defense the weakest we will see the rest of the way. The IR is calling and little Johnny will soon answer.
Terrible post. Its fans like this that I can't stand. They'll root against their own team just so they can "be right." Douche
^+1 He needs spell check. Manziel doesn't play defense either.
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Terrible post. Its fans like this that I can't stand. They'll root against their own team just so they can "be right." Douche
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Fans like you is why the team suck you go you watch you buy stuff even if the team blows not to say you bail of it's a bad year there is always ups and downs but this is the fourth year now under the new owner you have to stop support or nothing will change
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And if little Johnny has not showed any resin to be put on the field you don't put him out there you just told the rest of the team we gave up they Browns need to take there lumps fire the talent scouts they have and cut there losses and get Manziel and Gilbert the hell out of Cleveland
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Yep, the *fans* are the reason the team sucks. Not the players, coaches, GMs, but the fans who show commitment to go and support their team week in week out. Genius.
I'm not normally a violent or exclusive person, but if you wouldn't mind I think we'd all appreciate it if you were to fuck off a touch.
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And if little Johnny has not showed any resin to be put on the field you don't put him out there you just told the rest of the team we gave up they Browns need to take there lumps fire the talent scouts they have and cut there losses and get Manziel and Gilbert the hell out of Cleveland
And if little Johnny has not showed any resin to be put on the field you don't put him out there you just told the rest of the team we gave up they Browns need to take there lumps fire the talent scouts they have and cut there losses and get Manziel and Gilbert the hell out of Cleveland
Resin, rosin or reason? they all mean different things.
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Are we going to worry about spell check or talk about the issues
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