Russian plane shot down by Turkey
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are you fucking kidding me? they shot the rescue chopper down? oh ffs this is gonna get real ugly.
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are you fucking kidding me? they shot the rescue chopper down? oh ffs this is gonna get real ugly.
are you fucking kidding me? they shot the rescue chopper down? oh ffs this is gonna get real ugly.
The FSA ("moderate" rebels) shot at the two pilots while they were parachuting down (a war crime according to article 42 of protocol 1 of the geneva conventions) which killed one of them. Then they blew up the search and rescue chopper with an anti-tank missile from the USA - which killed the other one.
Ugly I'd say indeed, the cat's out of the bag now and we can pretty much confirm the "moderates" we're supporting are guilty of war crimes.
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I'm not sure even if the FSA we support was able to topple Assad in Syria that we would see any different result than what happened in Libya when we helped topple Khadaffi.
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From the reports that are coming in, it appears that the blame might be on Russia for this one; the pilot was warned multiple times to leave Turkish airspace before it was fired upon:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-turkey-russian-plane-20151124-story.html
Statement from NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg:
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_125052.htm
Either way, this situation needs to be resolved quickly before it spirals out of control. ISIS can only use any disagreement between Russia and NATO to its advantage.
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There's conflicting reports - some say the Russian plane was only in turkey air space for a few seconds 1.5km deep. And the pilots landed in Syria - where they got killed by the FSA. FSA also shot down rescue chopper and posted videos yelling allahu Akbar over the dead Russian bodies to social media.
People are scared of Russia, but Turkey doesn't have a history of being a good guy - their #1 goal is toppling Assad which is why they are anti-Russia but they buy oil from Isis and keep supply lines open, they helped prop up Isis, and bomb Kurdish fighters who fight Isis.
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It's safe to say whatever obummao does is the wrong thing, designed to severely weaken the U.S.
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oh i'll bet technically the plane wasn't in Turkish space, but the Turks warned them don't even come close after a couple rooskies went into Turkish space. So if that plane was toeing the border than....well......the Turks are not punks, they gave em one time to fuck off. Now that radar's hot huh? I hope the Russians got a lesson in not playing cowboy.
oh i'll bet technically the plane wasn't in Turkish space, but the Turks warned them don't even come close after a couple rooskies went into Turkish space. So if that plane was toeing the border than....well......the Turks are not punks, they gave em one time to fuck off. Now that radar's hot huh? I hope the Russians got a lesson in not playing cowboy.
LOL remember that rant you went on about how badass the Russian Migs were and not to fuck with them? LOL
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cleve just rants, it doesn't have to make any intelligent sense...
and usually doesn't.
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It's safe to say whatever obummao does is the wrong thing, designed to severely weaken the U.S.
It's safe to say whatever obummao does is the wrong thing, designed to severely weaken the U.S.
In this case, yes. Russian plane was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds (Obama immediately supported Turkey without knowing the facts) and the FSA people we support barbarically laughed and yelled allahu akbar while shooting defenseless Russian pilots parachuting down and blew up the search and rescue chopper coming for them.
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oh i'll bet technically the plane wasn't in Turkish space, but the Turks warned them don't even come close after a couple rooskies went into Turkish space. So if that plane was toeing the border than....well......the Turks are not punks, they gave em one time to fuck off. Now that radar's hot huh? I hope the Russians got a lesson in not playing cowboy.
LOL remember that rant you went on about how badass the Russian Migs were and not to fuck with them? LOL
LOL remember that rant you went on about how badass the Russian Migs were and not to fuck with them? LOL
Did you bother to see what kind of plane got shot down or did you choke on your own spittle in your haste to write that piece of what you thought was gotcha? Two things...
1) It was a plane that debuted in 1974, the SU-24
2) It's not even a fighter, it's a bomber.
Pretty sure when I talked about the russian and euro planes that gave the F-22 a people's beating during the wargames, I wasn't talking about 3rd gen fighters from the 70's you mental ninny.
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Obama will double down on backing up Turkey and the rebels. Keep arming ISIS as per usual.
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It seems that according to some people, if Obama backs turkey he's being pro-muslim, if he backed russia he's being pro-russia. No way for him to 'win' this one. So he does the objectively right things and says 'look, if the russian jet entered turkish airspace, the turks have a right to do something about it, now lets everybody calm down and sort this out peacefully' and is still being criticised apparently.
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You mean whatever Obama does he'll be criticized for? No way
(any president I guess)
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
It seems that according to some people, if Obama backs turkey he's being pro-muslim, if he backed russia he's being pro-russia. No way for him to 'win' this one. So he does the objectively right things and says 'look, if the russian jet entered turkish airspace, the turks have a right to do something about it, now lets everybody calm down and sort this out peacefully' and is still being criticised apparently.
It seems that according to some people, if Obama backs turkey he's being pro-muslim, if he backed russia he's being pro-russia. No way for him to 'win' this one. So he does the objectively right things and says 'look, if the russian jet entered turkish airspace, the turks have a right to do something about it, now lets everybody calm down and sort this out peacefully' and is still being criticised apparently.
Turkey loves the terrorists in Syria because they like anybody that opposes Assad.
Regardless a 17 second air space violation probably doesn't deserve to be shot down. What happened to the pilots as they came down is what we can expect from a Syria where "our guys" have control - no better than Assad.
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You mean whatever Obama does he'll be criticized for? No way
(any president I guess)
It doesn't matter what Obama gets blamed for he will pass the blame onto someone else anyway...for 7 years it has been to usually blame George Bush.
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It seems that according to some people, if Obama backs turkey he's being pro-muslim, if he backed russia he's being pro-russia. No way for him to 'win' this one. So he does the objectively right things and says 'look, if the russian jet entered turkish airspace, the turks have a right to do something about it, now lets everybody calm down and sort this out peacefully' and is still being criticised apparently.
Turkey loves the terrorists in Syria because they like anybody that opposes Assad.
Regardless a 17 second air space violation probably doesn't deserve to be shot down. What happened to the pilots as they came down is what we can expect from a Syria where "our guys" have control - no better than Assad.
Turkey loves the terrorists in Syria because they like anybody that opposes Assad.
Regardless a 17 second air space violation probably doesn't deserve to be shot down. What happened to the pilots as they came down is what we can expect from a Syria where "our guys" have control - no better than Assad.
We are backing the wrong horse in this one. I wish we would have just stayed out of it. We armed ISIS and now they have advanced weapons tech.
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Turkey loves the terrorists in Syria because they like anybody that opposes Assad.
Regardless a 17 second air space violation probably doesn't deserve to be shot down. What happened to the pilots as they came down is what we can expect from a Syria where "our guys" have control - no better than Assad.
We are backing the wrong horse in this one. I wish we would have just stayed out of it. We armed ISIS and now they have advanced weapons tech.
Our foreign policy is simple.We are backing the wrong horse in this one. I wish we would have just stayed out of it. We armed ISIS and now they have advanced weapons tech.
- Jeff shoots me with spit balls at me during class so I don't like him
- Give Bob the tools to shoot spitballs at Jeff because he doesn't like Jeff either
- Sh*t now Jeff and Bob are shooting spitballs at each other and me, lets give Kyle the tools to shoot spitballs at Jeff and Bob
- Sh*t now all 3 of them are shooting spit balls at me and each other
Wash rinse repeat
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I am getting tired of seeing this country have soldiers fight and die for people who won't fight for themselves. I shudder to think about how much American military equipment was handed over to ISIS when Iraqi troops who outnumbered ISIS 30,000 to about 800 fled from Mosul leaving a huge bonanza of American military equipment for ISIS. It is probably safe to say a good portion of ISIS weapons were donated to them by cowardly Iraqi troops.
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I am getting tired of seeing this country have soldiers fight and die for people who won't fight for themselves. I shudder to think about how much American military equipment was handed over to ISIS when Iraqi troops who outnumbered ISIS 30,000 to about 800 fled from Mosul leaving a huge bonanza of American military equipment for ISIS. It is probably safe to say a good portion of ISIS weapons were donated to them by cowardly Iraqi troops.
I am getting tired of seeing this country have soldiers fight and die for people who won't fight for themselves. I shudder to think about how much American military equipment was handed over to ISIS when Iraqi troops who outnumbered ISIS 30,000 to about 800 fled from Mosul leaving a huge bonanza of American military equipment for ISIS. It is probably safe to say a good portion of ISIS weapons were donated to them by cowardly Iraqi troops.
That and when we made the choice to arm the rebels without thinking that a good majority of them are ISIS plants.
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Donated by Iraqi troops? google "sons of iraq'...."WE" directly donated plenty to Isis. No need for the Iraqi go betweens.
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